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FusionITR's Avatar FusionITR 11:15 PM 11-21-2013
Is the best possible quality from a dvd still using a DVD player with SDI output and processing it through a external scaler/video processor such as the dvdo vp50? As you can tell from the question, I am very old school and still remember when these processros were like $2000.

Now I can pick these up on ebay for ~$300. I still have a lot of older TV shows and such on DVD that will likely never arrive to blu ray. Is it worth the investment to pick up a SDI mod + scaler? If so, any recommendations?

Fudoh's Avatar Fudoh 01:35 AM 11-22-2013
Used SDI players are very cheap, but so are DVD players which can output the native 480i signal through HDMI. SDI might have the edge if you're looking for a completely unaltered source signal, but in 99% of all cases HDMI is just as fine. The best stand alone DVD players were the ones with an ABT chipset built in for deinterlacing and upscaling. Still several functions and features were missing compared to stand alone processors.

If you already have a Blu-Ray player, there's a chance that it supports native output from DVDs through HDMI already, so you don't even need a new player.

This said, you'll be amazed how good a $300 video processor can look with SD material. Still leaps ahead of almost all current BD players. You might want to choose a DVDO Edge over a VP50 for it's added detail and edge enhancement controls. The Edge doesn't support SDI though.
FusionITR's Avatar FusionITR 12:04 PM 11-22-2013
Do Denon blu ray players support pure 480i over HDMI? If so, I'll just end up getting a denon blu ray player probably and a dvdo vp50 or edge depending on price.
angle_theory's Avatar angle_theory 06:15 PM 11-22-2013
How does something like an Oppo 103 / 103d up converting DVDs compare to a DVDO edge
jfpro's Avatar jfpro 03:59 PM 12-23-2013
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How does something like an Oppo 103 / 103d up converting DVDs compare to a DVDO edge


would love to know how my Oppo 103 would compare to a Lumagen Radiance Mini-3D or DVDO edge


uderman's Avatar uderman 09:15 PM 12-23-2013
Probably not so good. Oppo 103/105 uses mediatek soc for mpeg decoder/deinterlacer/scaling then qdeo for noise reduction and edge enhancement. Vnr even on lowest setting results loss of detail.
I own a 105 I am looking to run it through a VP in source direct mode. Source direct only applies to dvd/bd. Netflix/vudu etc.. are still scaled to 1080p.
mattg3's Avatar mattg3 09:38 AM 12-24-2013
Oppo 83 plus Darbee Darblet.
Kelvin1965S's Avatar Kelvin1965S 01:53 PM 12-24-2013
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would love to know how my Oppo 103 would compare to a Lumagen Radiance Mini-3D or DVDO edge

Having compared my Oppo 93 against my Mini3D and also my JVC X35 for upscaling the order is X35>Oppo>Mini3D with the Mini3D being the best IMHO. I also add a Darbee after my Mini3D which can improve some DVDs but not all. At least the Oppo allows 'source direct' (one of the reasons I bought it) so it makes it easier to set up the Lumagen to do any upscaling/deinterlacing.

I previously owned a DVDO Edge which I also felt wasn't as good as the Mini3D for upscaling.

Having said that, I'm discussing upscaling DVDs (PAL FWIW) which are then displayed on a 112" wide screen, so the differences I noticed are probably less obvious on a 50" TV for example. Non of them make DVDs look as good as BluRay either (even the Mini3D) but they do make them good enough to watch when the BluRay version isn't available for some reason or my existing DVD collection.
uderman's Avatar uderman 02:05 PM 12-24-2013
if it is only for watching DVDs, Oppo dv-983h or bdp-83 would get my vote. These use ABT2010 chip for de-interlacing and scaling. All subsequent BD players from Oppo rely on mediatek SOC for de-interlacing and scaling. I don't particularly like ABT chips scaling but it is nevertheless above average.

SDI modded DVD players might be cheap if you find one but I don't see many listed on ebay. In fact none listed the past few months. JVB charges arm and a leg for SDI mod on a DVD player or BD player.

I have been using a Pioneer Elite DV-79AVI 480i (Component 4:2:2) over HDMI into Algolith Mosquito HDMI(noise reduction) then Crystalio II VPS-3800(de-interlacing/scaling). I will try Oppo BDP-105 into Crystalio II VPS-3300(have another one) and compare them. If Oppo/C2 combo comes close, I will let go Pioneer player.
matumba's Avatar matumba 08:18 AM 01-11-2014
Speaking of Crystalio II. I had had high expectations regarding this VP for watching 480i movies. But I have run into the rarely dicussed but known bug in this processor that makes it almost unuseable for me, that is its inability to keep the lock to 24p in 60Hz NTSC sources and the resulting heavy judder. Some people here reported that this problem had not been resolved even in the latest firmware versions.

I am wondering what is your feeling about this problem or whether anyone has found a workaround?

For a CRT display, my current plan is to try using a vp30/abt102 for de-interlacing (480i -> 480p) and then the CII 3300 for upscaling and feeding a CRT at 1080p96. A vp30 can be manually set to output a locked multiple of 24p (48 or 72) so hopefully the above mentioned lack of genlock in the CII would not be the problem.

As long as a display is not a CRT-based, for DVDs, I would now skip CII entirely and use a combination of OPPO-93 -> Algolith Flea -> Mini3D. I am not sure that I can see any difference in de-interlacing and/or scaling quality of the Mini vs OPPO for "perfect transfers", but what I can say for sure is that the Flea can do wonders for poor quality DVDs and in these cases upscaling naturally goes to the Mini since you must feed a Flea (or a Mosquito, if you have one) by a non-upscaled signal and upscale it afterwards. (Here again, de-interlacing can be done before a Flea, if one beleives that his player is superior to his VP for de-interlacing.)

Even for 1080p sources I find the Flea very useful as its 3D noise supression works *very* nicely in case of poor blu-ray transfers, so this little unit is really worth having anyway.
fmzip's Avatar fmzip 09:47 AM 01-15-2014
I was wondering the same thing.

I was thinking of getting an Oppo BD-103 and considering selling my barely used Sony DVP-CX77ES SDI modded changer and rip all the DVDs to my network.

If anyone is looking for an single SDI DVD player, I also have an Panasonic RP-91.
matumba's Avatar matumba 04:05 AM 01-17-2014
My OPPO-93 can play only ISO images of DVDs off the network or the USB drive. It would not recognize a directory tree as a DVD, as opposed to a bluray wich you can just copy to a hard drive and the OPPO would see the directory structure as a bluray disk.

However, I am not sure that playing back of ISO images of DVDs is possible for later versions of the player. I know for certain that the capability of playing back ISO images of bluray disks was cut at a certain version of OPPO-93 firmware, so I had to specifically order a player with an earlier firmware installed.
IanD's Avatar IanD 01:20 AM 03-27-2014
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However, I am not sure that playing back of ISO images of DVDs is possible for later versions of the player. I know for certain that the capability of playing back ISO images of bluray disks was cut at a certain version of OPPO-93 firmware, so I had to specifically order a player with an earlier firmware installed.

The Oppo 93 has only ever been able to play ISOs of DVD and Bluray structure from attached media and only for firmware prior to 2012. Whilst it was allegedly possible to downgrade firmware for a short time with a pro mod kit, that capability was disabled.

The Oppo 83 is supposed to be slightly better for DVD upscaling and whilst it can play DVD at 24fps, this particular capability was improved in the Oppo 93 (only for >2011 firmware thus losing ISO capability) AFAIK.

I don't believe the Oppo 103 improves on DVD playback compared to the 93, but it drops Bluray structure playback completely and implements Cinavia (for Bluray discs at present).

Therefore, it is probably a toss-up over quality between the Oppo 83 and 93 for DVD playback, depending on which aspect is most important to you: upscaling quality or smooth 24fps playback.
uderman's Avatar uderman 08:25 PM 04-23-2014
I don't think 60hz to 24hz conversion works absolutely correct on any vp or player. Whenever there is bad edit or some weird cadence, there is dropped frames and judder. I scale 60hz to 60hz. 24hz to 72hz. Crystalio 2 can do 24hz to 48 or 72 hz correctly.

Where c2 shines is analog sources like laserdisc, vhs, etc.. nothing comes close to the analog processing of c2. I use c2(480p60) ->mosquito hdmi-> another c2(will replace with the new lumagen) 1080p60.
olakjen's Avatar olakjen 09:43 AM 07-09-2014
the absolutte best pq quality on sd material that a have seen is Toshiba HD-XE1 output 480p
and use the lumagen xe to upscale

a have crystallio 3800 and oppo bdp-83 and this is not so good

ola kjenas
avsform1's Avatar avsform1 04:16 PM 07-14-2014
Get a used DVDO DUO or a used Lumgen Radiance. I have both, but the Radiance is better as it can use a 3DLUT calibration scheme. I would suggest that those that are still using a DVD with a newer that can do 1080p/24hz grab one from Ebay. Now that cailbration is they key to have great picture quality.
colleen88 08:42 PM 08-04-2014
everything here is helpful to me, let me check my blu ray
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