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Does anyone have any good info on the release date. From April1 to the 14th now I hear the 24th.
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According to this post it's closer to June now.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...49#post2052849

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Tom,

That posting means the official release date is by the end of the month, not June.

Many products have a release date where a limited quantity of products is sent to dealers. It happened the same with my cell phone (P800). It was available, but because the quantity was limited (and demand was high) the price went up (I bought it for $700, but some people bought it for over $1000). I still purchased it (it was difficult to get a hold of) and I couldn't be happier. It's supposed to be officially released here within 12-18 months. I'll probably have another cell phone by then...

Anyway, back on topic...

The fact that only a limited quantity is going to be released is probably because they want to both make sure that the product is acceptable to the mass public. Also, they probably prefer to have most customers ready with the second iteration of the firmware (not the first). The first iteration will allow our forum to start getting vital performance & PQ information before purchase.

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june, july, august, whenever.
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James likes to gloat when KD isnt perfect
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So how many dealers does Key have? If they are releasing 100, I have to believe some of those will go to dealer preoder folks like us.

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bpape,

No one knows how those 100 units will be distributed. I don't think the dealers will keep these units to themselves, and will likely provide the first units to urgent orders, key customers, and long-standing preorders.

Which dealer did you preorder from (an online one)?

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I placed my order last year with AVS. October or November, it's been so long I can't remember ;)
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It would only be recorded as interested if the interest was regarded as OID (orginal issue discount)
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I ordered mine from AVS last fall.

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It would be nice if Key would chime in with some "official" info.

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well, i spoke to the canadian distributor for KD yesterday, and they said that the last release date they were given by KD was april 29...

they also said they had allocated all of the units they were receiving. which makes me SOL :( ; but then, it might be prudent for me to wait to see what kind of reviews the Leeza receives.

prudent. yeah, that's what i'm going to keep telling myself... :)

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oferlaor,

how do you like your P800. please describe in details. I am thinking of getting it vs. (having both a cell phone and a pocket pc). most of my contacts are in my cell phone anyway, no need to get a separate PDA. thanks

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Seng,

Wrong forum for it (and wrong thread too!).

I LOVE IT! Not everyone does, but I'm quite content (I waited 18 months for it).

There are plenty of forums for cellphones (esato, howardforums, my-symbian, allaboutsymbian, and a few USENET and Yahoo groups). Plus, you can always email me (oferlaor@hotmail.com)

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I placed my order last year with AVS. October or November, it's been so long I can't remember ;)
If you had invested that money in real estate here in D.C., instead of the hdleeza, you would now have enough money to buy the new ROCK PRO! Fools!
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well, at least you amuse somebody, james bond ;-)

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Now why would I pay twice as much for half the machine? Is getting screwed multiple times by *** worth the difference?

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AVB,

Good one!

James,

I still don't see why anyone would get a new Rock Pro. I can understand why they'd want to upgrade (to preserve the investment and this is the cheapest way to go). But buy a whole new SD unit for $8000 ?!

I believe you can get a DCS for that money (list price is $10,000).

IMO, these are both bad investments (DCS and Rock Pro).

The HD LEEZA and aSimilator seem much more in tune with the new generation of scalers.

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If you had invested that money in real estate here in D.C., instead of the hdleeza, you would now have enough money to buy the new ROCK PRO! Fools!
My preorder didn't cost me anything. And I can think of much better things to spend $8000 on than a Rock Pro.

Have fun scaling your SD sources while I'm deinterlacing 1080i.
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Have fun scaling your SD sources while I'm deinterlacing 1080i.
But WHEN will you be delinterlacing 1080i ?

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I'd guess about a week or two.

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My preorder didn't cost me anything. And I can think of much better things to spend $8000 on than a Rock Pro.

Have fun scaling your SD sources while I'm deinterlacing 1080i.
And what will you be watching this 1080p on? I don't see a g90 or 9500lc in your profile. maybe you just got one. I have seen 1080p on a 9500lc and it wasn't any better than 1080i. 1080p is a nonstarter. few have a diplay that can resolve it and few of those would be impressed with it.Now scaling it down for digitals could be interesting for some. 1080i straight to my pj and i'm happy. don't need a processor for that. what i need is a processor to scale sd sources. so i guess i'll be having fun.
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I have an SX21/Panamorph that I'll be using it with. It may not be 1080p, but at 1400x1050 it's the highest res digital you can get, not counting D-cinema stuff. It can handle almost all of the vertical res of 1080p and most of the horizontal.

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1080i straight to my pj and i'm happy. don't need a processor for that.
As long as you don't mind bobbing to 540p and ending up with something that's barely better than DVD. On my Hitachi 5500 I always preferred ABC's 720p broadcasts to the other networks' 1080i. The 1080i stuff seemed soft in comparison. I never understood why until I found out that almost all digital projectors bob 1080i to 540p and then scale it up. The Sharp Z10000 is the only digital projector at the moment that does proper deinterlacing of 1080i material. Unless you have one of those (I did for a couple weeks), you're throwing a lot away. HD on the Sharp is the best HD on a digital I've seen yet. If I weren't rainbow sensitive and didn't have such bad luck with the two defective units I received I would've kept it. My hope with the SX21 is to resolve even more detail (at the expense of a lower black level unfortunately, but hey, rainbows are a bitch).

After all, what's the point of HD if you're gonna chuck half of it in the trash?

Enjoy your Rock Pro though. What's ultimately important is that you feel you got your money's worth, and that you find the product enjoyable. I'm sure it's great with SD sources, and it'll be a fine scaler once they get 1080i deinterlacing up and running. That is their plan, right?
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As long as you don't mind bobbing to 540p and ending up with something that's barely better than DVD.

Enjoy your Rock Pro though. That is their plan, right?
I don't downconvert any of my signals. I watch 1080i crisp, sharp lines on my 8500lc. I don't have a rock pro. I don't have any plans except to evaluate the technology as it comes out and go with the best. That's what I did with the rock and now the htpc. same thing I've done for years.

so you will be de-interlacing your signal with an expensive scaler, then scaling it to 1050 with the internal scaler of your projector? Or will the hdleeza properly de-interlace the full 1080i signal then scale it to your 1050? Have you seen this result? have you seen true 1080i delivered directly to the pj and not scaled? Have you compared true 1080i and 1080p on the same pj? I stand by what i said, 1080p is a nonstarter. Sure I would like to have it and the pj that it would make a difference on, but i don't and neither do you.
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The HD Leeza will deinterlace 1080i to 1080p and then downscale it to the native res of the projector (1400x1050). It will be connected via DVI for 1:1 pixel mapping. No secondary scaling by the projector.

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Have you seen this result?
Obviously I haven't seen it, because the scaler is not in my possession yet (duh).

What I have seen is 1080i displayed on a Hitachi 5500 (LCOS, 1365x1024 with Panamorph) and Sharp Z10000 (1280x720 DLP). The Hitachi bobs to 540p and upscales, so 1080i material looks inferior to native 720p material. The Sharp performs proper 1080i > 1080p deinterlacing, then downscales it to match the panel. Easily superior to the Hitachi despite the lower resolution of the panel itself thanks to the higher amount of source detail. In this case, I saw no appreciable difference between good 720p and good 1080i.

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I stand by what i said, 1080p is a nonstarter. Sure I would like to have it and the pj that it would make a difference on, but i don't and neither do you.
You keep blathering on about the display rendering full 1080p, which is not what this is about. It's about proper deinterlacing of 1080i into 1080p so as not to lose any info when scaling to native res. I'm happy that you have a CRT projector that can display an interlaced signal natively, but I don't have the space for such a monster. That means digital, which means converting any incoming signal to match the native res of the projector. So 1080i > 1080p deinterlacing done properly is an important feature for digital projector owners such as myself.

Therefore, paying almost 3 times as much for a scaler that can't perform this function--and will likely have SD scaling that isn't noticeably superior to the HD Leeza--is asinine.
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Let me add that as far as I know bobbing to 540p is the way it's usually done in a digital projector. If someone knows otherwise, please correct me.
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