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Great thread with some great info. Thanks all that have contributed!
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Will I be able to zoom.. and unzoom? I am thinking about buying a bigger TV but I don't want my footie (soccer) to look too huge on it.. not from the start anyway.. might get used to it after a while.
I already own a linker and an Integral and they are great for their (my) purposes.. scaling and splitting 4k , Nvidia Shield and 4k cablebox.
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Will I be able to zoom.. and unzoom? I am thinking about buying a bigger TV but I don't want my footie (soccer) to look too huge on it.. not from the start anyway.. might get used to it after a while.
I already own a linker and an Integral and they are great for their (my) purposes.. scaling and splitting 4k , Nvidia Shield and 4k cablebox.
No sorry, you cannot ZOOM/UNZOOM.

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I have a few questions on the Vertex...

1) Can you downscale from 4K to 1440p?

2) Also, any plans for a 4x4 matrix or 4x2 matrix?

3) Does the Vertex play nicely if chained to a 4x1 or 8x1 switch?

4) What is the latency when used in splitter and switch modes? (re: input latency, gaming, etc)
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I have a few questions on the Vertex...

1) Can you downscale from 4K to 1440p?

2) Also, any plans for a 4x4 matrix or 4x2 matrix?

3) Does the Vertex play nicely if chained to a 4x1 or 8x1 switch?

4) What is the latency when used in splitter and switch modes? (re: input latency, gaming, etc)

1) No, you won't find anything affordable doing this at the moment. May be next year.
2) Yes, May be next year.
3) Yes.
4) less than 1 frame.


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Vertex Config Import/Export

Hi guys,

Below you can find sample file of Vertex config, feel free to suggest anything you want to see added there.
The list is made of 2 parts, the first part can be used for support purpose and won't be read/used when user import the config file in his Vertex unit.
The second part list most settings and will be read and used when user import the config file in his Vertex unit.

That means, you can, we can, edit a config via TXT file editor directly before importing back or simply share config with others.
It also means we should be able to provide better support from and thru sharing such config file.

Code:
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# HDFURY VERTEX CONFIGURATION FILE
# [4.10.2017 17:42:40]
################################################################
# STATUS INFO START - DO NOT MODIFY VALUES
################################################################
RX0: 4K23.974 RGB 8b 297MHz 2.2T1
AUD0: L-PCM 48kHz 2.0ch 24bit
TX0: 4K23.974 RGB 8b 297MHz 2.2
TX1: off or not connected
SAMSUNG EDID: 4K60 444 HDR BT2020
EDID not available
Source Info: OPPO UDP -203
AVI: 82:02:0d:3f:00:28:08:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00
AUDIO: 84:01:0a:70:01:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00
HVS: 81:01:18:34:03:0c:00:20:03:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00
SPD: 83:01:19:50:4f:50:50:4f:20:55:44:50:2d:32:30:33:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:0a

#RX0 EDID
00 FF FF FF FF FF FF 00 59 3A 18 10 01 01 01 01
00 1B 01 03 80 6E 3E 78 2A 62 6D AD 4F 48 AA 25
0C 47 4A A5 CE 00 D1 C0 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01
01 01 01 01 01 01 04 74 00 30 F2 70 5A 80 B0 58
8A 00 48 68 42 00 00 1E 02 3A 80 18 71 38 2D 40
58 2C 45 00 48 68 42 00 00 1E 00 00 00 FC 00 4D
35 30 2D 45 31 0A 20 20 20 20 20 20 00 00 00 FD
00 17 4C 0F 8C 3C 00 0A 20 20 20 20 20 20 01 63
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07 06 03 02 01 32 57 06 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
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00 02 34 AD 4E E6 41 A8 0B 27 0C 14 50 54 CC 07
B5 28 00 00 00 00 E2 00 FF E2 0F 30 E3 06 07 01
E3 05 E0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 57

#RX1 EDID
00 FF FF FF FF FF FF 00 59 3A 18 10 01 01 01 01
00 1B 01 03 80 6E 3E 78 2A 62 6D AD 4F 48 AA 25
0C 47 4A A5 CE 00 D1 C0 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01
01 01 01 01 01 01 04 74 00 30 F2 70 5A 80 B0 58
8A 00 48 68 42 00 00 1E 02 3A 80 18 71 38 2D 40
58 2C 45 00 48 68 42 00 00 1E 00 00 00 FC 00 4D
35 30 2D 45 31 0A 20 20 20 20 20 20 00 00 00 FD
00 17 4C 0F 8C 3C 00 0A 20 20 20 20 20 20 01 63
02 03 64 71 50 5F 64 5D 62 61 66 10 22 20 05 04
07 06 03 02 01 32 57 06 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
00 00 09 07 07 15 07 50 83 01 00 00 6F 03 0C 00
12 00 38 3C A0 5B 5B 00 60 01 03 04 F9 01 46 D0
00 02 34 AD 4E E6 41 A8 0B 27 0C 14 50 54 CC 07
B5 28 00 00 00 00 E2 00 FF E2 0F 30 E3 06 07 01
E3 05 E0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 56

#TX0 EDID
00 FF FF FF FF FF FF 00 4C 2D 01 0C 01 06 00 01
2A 18 01 03 80 69 3B 78 0A 23 AD A4 54 4D 99 26
0F 47 4A BD EF 80 71 4F 81 C0 81 00 81 80 95 00
A9 C0 B3 00 01 01 08 E8 00 30 F2 70 5A 80 B0 58
8A 00 50 1D 74 00 00 1E 02 3A 80 18 71 38 2D 40
58 2C 45 00 50 1D 74 00 00 1E 00 00 00 FD 00 18
4B 0F 87 3C 00 0A 20 20 20 20 20 20 00 00 00 FC
00 53 41 4D 53 55 4E 47 0A 20 20 20 20 20 01 56
02 03 58 F1 57 61 10 1F 04 13 05 14 20 21 22 5D
5E 5F 60 65 66 62 63 64 07 16 03 12 29 09 07 07
15 07 50 3D 04 C0 83 01 00 00 E2 00 0F E3 05 C0
00 76 03 0C 00 10 00 B8 3C 21 D0 88 01 02 03 04
01 40 3F FF 50 60 80 90 67 D8 5D C4 01 78 80 03
E3 06 05 01 E3 0F 01 E0 01 1D 80 D0 72 1C 16 20
10 2C 25 80 50 1D 74 00 00 9E 66 21 56 AA 51 00
1E 30 46 8F 33 00 50 1D 74 00 00 1E 00 00 00 A6

#TX1 EDID
00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
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00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00

#STATUS END
#
################################################################
#
#SETTINGS START - MODIFY VALUES PERMITTED
#
################################################################
InputPort bot
AutoSw on
AutoSwPrio normal
EncLevel 14
ScaleSel auto
EdidCustomModeSel custom
EdidCustomTableTop 1
EdidCustomTableBot 1
EdidAudio native
EdidHdr10 off
EdidHlg off
EdidBt2020 on
EdidYuvRemove off
Edid3dRemove off
EdidDv off
HdrCustom off
HdrDisable off
AviCustom off
AviDisable off
VsiCustom off
VsiDisable off
AutoPreset4k30 PRESET_4K30_444_8
AutoPreset4k60Hdr PRESET_4K60_420_8
AutoPreset4k60 PRESET_4K60_420_8
LogoLed on
Oled on
OledRotate off
OledReverse off
OledFadeValue 0
OledMenuPage 1
Osd on
OsdMask off
OsdFadeValue 0
OsdLocX 20
OsdLocY 945
OsdMaskX0 1
OsdMaskY0 950
OsdMaskX1 1920
OsdMaskY1 1080
OsdMaskRate 3
OsdColorFg 25
OsdColorBg 0
OsdColorBgRate 7
OsdField1 on
OsdField2 on
OsdField3 on
OsdField4 on
OsdField5 on
OsdField6 on
OsdField7 off
OsdCustTextEnable off
OsdCustTextLocX 20
OsdCustTextLocY 20
Cec off
CecLa video
CustomHdrText 87:01:1a:b0:02:00:c2:33:c4:86:4c:1d:b8:0b:d0:84:80:3e:13:3d:42:40:a0:0f:32:00:e8:03:90:01
CustomAviText 82:02:0d:ae:40:c0:60:61:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00
CustomVsiText 81:01:1b:63:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00
CustomCecText ef:36

#SETTINGS END
#
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This is great, it will be very useful to re-load our config after a f/w update (as that usually resets all settings), or indeed to share a config easily with support/friends.
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How do you set the Vertex to hold the gamma setting (not default to D) and enable the Iris in HDR on a JVC projector? Is it a combination of switches on the sides or do you have to connect a PC to operate? Or is it plug HDMI cable in one end and another out on the other and it just works automagically?

I wasn't able to answer my questions via Google.

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How do you set the Vertex to hold the gamma setting (not default to D) and enable the Iris in HDR on a JVC projector? Is it a combination of switches on the sides or do you have to connect a PC to operate? Or is it plug HDMI cable in one end and another out on the other and it just works automagically?

I wasn't able to answer my questions via Google.
Just tick the Disable HDR box. Can be accessed via GUI computer software (download free software from HDfury and install on your computer and need to have Vertex attached to your computer) or using Android/Apple App if you have the blue tooth device (blue tooth feature not built into Linker or Vertex as far as I know).
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Just tick the Disable HDR box. Can be accessed via GUI computer software (download free software from HDfury and install on your computer and need to have Vertex attached to your computer) or using Android/Apple App if you have the blue tooth device (blue tooth feature not built into Linker or Vertex as far as I know).
What Bluetooth device?

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What Bluetooth device?

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Go Blue
https://www.hdfury.com/product/goblue/

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Just tick the Disable HDR box. Can be accessed via GUI computer software (download free software from HDfury and install on your computer and need to have Vertex attached to your computer) or using Android/Apple App if you have the blue tooth device (blue tooth feature not built into Linker or Vertex as far as I know).
Yes correct and you can also access any settings from IR ! or from RS232 (MAC/LINUX/WINDOWS) if you know what you are doing

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I got my vertex ordered and I am presuming that I got the connection plan right:

Input
Oppo Blu-Ray (switch-on) connected to PORT0
Apple TV 4k (always on), running at SDR or HDR 4K 4:2:2 connected to PORT1
Autoselect (by default Apple TV will be the input signal until the Oppo is turned on)

Output
output 1 to be 4k HDR 4:2:2 to my projector
output 2 downscaled to 1080p/HDMI 1.4 to my receiver

The second part is what I can't figure out how to do based on the screenshots on the website.

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I got my vertex ordered and I am presuming that I got the connection plan right:

Input
Oppo Blu-Ray (switch-on) connected to PORT0
Apple TV 4k (always on), running at SDR or HDR 4K 4:2:2 connected to PORT1
Autoselect (by default Apple TV will be the input signal until the Oppo is turned on)

Output
output 1 to be 4k HDR 4:2:2 to my projector
output 2 downscaled to 1080p/HDMI 1.4 to my receiver

The second part is what I can't figure out how to do based on the screenshots on the website.
Yes, you can connect any sources to any inputs in any order, you only have to pay attention to outputs: one is DOWNSCALE port, where you connect your 1080p AVR or TV, the other is UPSCALE port, where you connect your 4K Equipment. of course, both output port can passthru up to 18Gbps.
If you just hook up the right way, then just add power, OLED will light up and give you info on everything connected and once an active signal comes in from the source and handshake completed, side logos will light up confirming the unit is receiving and processing a signal.

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I got my vertex ordered and I am presuming that I got the connection plan right:

Input
Oppo Blu-Ray (switch-on) connected to PORT0
Apple TV 4k (always on), running at SDR or HDR 4K 4:2:2 connected to PORT1
Autoselect (by default Apple TV will be the input signal until the Oppo is turned on)

Output
output 1 to be 4k HDR 4:2:2 to my projector
output 2 downscaled to 1080p/HDMI 1.4 to my receiver

The second part is what I can't figure out how to do based on the screenshots on the website.
The bottom output port can upscale. The top output port can down scale. So you would connect the bottom output to your projector, and the top output to your AVR. In the Scaling tab of the GUI, you mark the 4K formats you want to down scale (4K60, 4K30) to the top output and what format you want each to be scaled to (4K60 to 1080p60, 4K30 to 1080p30). Don't be concerned about the 30 Hz selection when playing 4K24 content., it will down scale 4K24 to 1080p24.

You also have the option to specify what color space and bit depth should be used in the down scale. So if the input was 4K24 4:2:2 BT.2020 12-bit and your AVR does not support 4:2:2, BT.2020, or 12-bit; you could choose 1080p30, 4:4:4, REC709 or RGB, and 8 or 10-bit. Whatever your AVR will accept.

On the Config tab you can select either HDCP 2.2 (if supported) or HDCP 1.4 for output. So even with HDCP 2.2 selected, I believe the Vertex will send HDCP 1.4 to your AVR based upon the capabilities presented to the Vertex. Otherwise, you can select HDCP 1.4 to always be sent to both outputs. It does not matter to send HDCP 1.4 to your HDCP 2.2 projector.

Edit: Corrected scaling capabilities of top vs bottom port.

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The top output port can upscale. The bottom output port can down scale. So you would connect the top output to your projector, and the bottom output to your AVR. In the Scaling tab of the GUI, you mark the 4K formats you want to down scale (4K60, 4K30) to the bottom output and what format you want each to be scaled to (4K60 to 1080p60, 4K30 to 1080p30). Don't be concerned about the 30 Hz selection when playing 4K24 content., it will down scale 4K24 to 1080p24.

You also have the option to specify what color space and bit depth should be used in the down scale. So if the input was 4K24 4:2:2 BT.2020 12-bit and your AVR does not support 4:2:2, BT.2020, or 12-bit; you could choose 1080p30, 4:4:4, REC709 or RGB, and 8 or 10-bit. Whatever your AVR will accept.

On the Config tab you can select either HDCP 2.2 (if supported) or HDCP 1.4 for output. So even with HDCP 2.2 selected, I believe the Vertex will send HDCP 1.4 to your AVR based upon the capabilities presented to the Vertex. Otherwise, you can select HDCP 1.4 to always be sent to both outputs. It does not matter to send HDCP 1.4 to your HDCP 2.2 projector.
As far as I know, it's the opposite, at least by default. The top port can downscale, the bottom port can upscale.

Both ports can do either though (or simply passthrough).
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As far as I know, it's the opposite, at least by default. The top port can downscale, the bottom port can upscale.

Both ports can do either though (or simply passthrough).
Yes you are correct. I always do up scaling and not down and use the bottom. Corrected post.
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excellent tips guys, I can't wait to get the vertex as it will likely solve all my problems!

The stupid Oppo 203 "HDMI IN" is seriously terrible and basically crashes the Oppo from time to time as well as simply not working. It's extremely unpredictable.

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About the RS232 Protocol: Is it possible to query the current HDMI input format including the HDR settings (the same that is shown in the OSD) ?
This would allow a incredible level of home-automation with a PI..

I am using a Cinemascope screen with my Projector with Lens Memory, is it forseen to detect the Aspect Ratio in a HDMI Video Stream e.g. 1.85:, 2:1 (Stranger Things), 2,35:1 ... ?
It should not be so hard to detect "black bars" in a HDMI signal ... or at least the possibility to get the intensity of the first pixel row (on the left or right) and do it with a PI.

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About the RS232 Protocol: Is it possible to query the current HDMI input format including the HDR settings (the same that is shown in the OSD) ?
This would allow a incredible level of home-automation with a PI..

I am using a Cinemascope screen with my Projector with Lens Memory, is it forseen to detect the Aspect Ratio in a HDMI Video Stream e.g. 1.85:, 2:1 (Stranger Things), 2,35:1 ... ?
It should not be so hard to detect "black bars" in a HDMI signal ... or at least the possibility to get the intensity of the first pixel row (on the left or right) and do it with a PI.

Klaatu

First question: Yes of course, all info that is on GUI/OSD/OLED will be available from RS232
Second question: No, unfortunately, that require way different hardware (way more expensive especially, like lumagen radiance pro)

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Second question: No, unfortunately, that require way different hardware (way more expensive especially, like lumagen radiance pro)
Got it that "automatic detection" is to difficult to do for a FGPA. I am currently using a HDMI-FBAS-USB thing which works nice, but is terribly noisy (since there is a analog brige inside). It is only using the first (half) row. Is it possible to query those individual pixels and not all of them ?
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Got it that "automatic detection" is to difficult to do for a FGPA. I am currently using a HDMI-FBAS-USB thing which works nice, but is terribly noisy (since there is a analog brige inside). It is only using the first (half) row. Is it possible to query those individual pixels and not all of them ?
We are using ASIC and MCU, not FPGA, what you are trying to do is possible with FPGA, but you need 600MHz FPGA which are still expensive.

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Boy...this thing seems to want my money. However....as a newby....can someone explain to me in layman's terms what this does for me? I think I understand it but I want to be sure I will get benefit with my equipment.

Sources: Panasonic UB900, HTPC, Direct TV (all on their way)
Display: JVC RS640 projector (also coming)

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Boy...this thing seems to want my money. However....as a newby....can someone explain to me in layman's terms what this does for me? I think I understand it but I want to be sure I will get benefit with my equipment.

Sources: Panasonic UB900, HTPC, Direct TV (all on their way)
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The HDFury products are tools, so unless you have a problem you need to solve AND a particular HDFury device is the right tool, there's no need to buy one. Sort of like buying a hammer when you need a drill.

That said, I bought an Integral and a Linker and have a Vertex on preorder. I didn't / don't have a particular need for them but like to buy tools. I'm surprised I haven't ordered an AVRKey yet.
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Not exactly, UHD BR player can do it for UHD BR since they are decoding/handling the content at source level. for example, they cannot do it for embedded app like netflix isn't it ?

This being said, affordable 600MHz FPGA will be out next year so at least 1 more full year is needed to see anything close to doing what you want at decent price. and yes it's disappointing.
Usually, once this happens, then 1200 MHz HDMI standard comes out and everybody wants the same for 1200MHz, and then it will cost multi thousands $ again

sometime ago i could answer that, today i cannot and don't know
i would say, just look around in due time.
It would great if your next iteration of the Vertex could do all the non-linear stretch modes that the Lumagen Pro does, for people that want to size the image to either their scope or 16:9 screen, i.e. fitting/stretching 1.85:1 movies to fit in a 2.40:1 screen, or sizing/zooming a scope movie for a 16:9 screen...

There are many users on the forum who just can't justify the price of the Pro for their scaling/picture sizing needs that would jump to purchase your product if implemented when the 600MHz chips are more affordable. Many will not need HDMI 2.1 features, especially projector owners (unless HDR10 with Dynamic Metadata is implemented on projectors). Even at an MSRP of around $1000, I suspect many would jump at the product.

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It would great if your next iteration of the Vertex could do all the non-linear stretch modes that the Lumagen Pro does, for people that want to size the image to either their scope or 16:9 screen, i.e. fitting/stretching 1.85:1 movies to fit in a 2.40:1 screen, or sizing/zooming a scope movie for a 16:9 screen...

There are many users on the forum who just can't justify the price of the Pro for their scaling/picture sizing needs that would jump to purchase your product if implemented when the 600MHz chips are more affordable. Many will not need HDMI 2.1 features, especially projector owners (unless HDR10 with Dynamic Metadata is implemented on projectors). Even at an MSRP of around $1000, I suspect many would jump at the product.
Right now, the FPGA used in the Radiance Pro is >$2000, that's why the Pro's cost so much and why HDFury isn't making a product that can do things that need such an FPGA.
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At this point in time, I could only justify big $$ for a Lumagen Pro (ll) if the inputs and outputs could handle HDMI 2.1, so it would be more future proof. I will just wait things out.
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At this point in time, I could only justify big $$ for a Lumagen Pro (ll) if the inputs and outputs could handle HDMI 2.1, so it would be more future proof. I will just wait things out.
HDMI2.1 is supposed to be up to 1200MHz, so when this comes out, any FPGA solution for it will once again be multi thousands dollars.
However, FPGA for 600MHz are not that much expensive anymore right now and at least for HDMI2.0b you should see some solution popping up next year.
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At this point in time, I could only justify big $$ for a Lumagen Pro (ll) if the inputs and outputs could handle HDMI 2.1, so it would be more future proof. I will just wait things out.
The HDMI inputs (and outputs) are upgradable, so you should be set for HDMI 2.1 with a Pro, for signals up to 600MHz at least (obviously the Pro won't be able to do over that due to the FPGA).

Of course I still don't see what's the big deal about HDMI 2.1 is. 8K, yawn. And Dynamic Metadata? With how unreliable static metadata is, I have serious concerns that the dynamic metadata will be correct and that many display manufacturers will actually implement it in such a way that it doesn't cause more problems than it solves.

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Boy...this thing seems to want my money. However....as a newby....can someone explain to me in layman's terms what this does for me? I think I understand it but I want to be sure I will get benefit with my equipment.

Sources: Panasonic UB900, HTPC, Direct TV (all on their way)
Display: JVC RS640 projector (also coming)

Thanks in advance,
Chad
Many JVC projector owners bought the Linker and/or pre-ordered the Linker in order to have it disable the HDR flag in content before sending it to the projector. This allowed those of us with the 2015 and 2016 models to prevent the projector from:
1. Automatically selecting the JVC provided HDR gamma so we could easily configure our own custom gamma.
2. Disabling the Auto-Iris.

Because you are getting a 2017 model, I believe that the auto-iris is no longer disabled when viewing HDR content. Also, the HDR gamma curves included in the projector are much better than the Gamma D that us 2015 model owners got stuck with. So you may not need a Vertex for the reasons that owners of earlier models of the projector have. I would wait until you have a specific need before purchasing a Vertex.

Does your AVR support 4K and HDCP 2.2? Does it support pass through of HDR and/or Dolby Vision content? If not then you might want the AVRKey to split audio from the video to feed the AVR. Your UB900 has a separate audio-only HDMI output so you don't need an AVRKey for that. But if you get the Directv 4K C61K or other 4K player, you could use the AVRKey to feed audio-only to an older AVR.
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