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Priceless. $44 for shipping a 3 foot video cable? Must be coming via drone.
THat's a default shipping price. If you look at the shipping options, you'll see about 1/3 for priority mail. I would send a question to the seller to verify and/or maybe they can just send you an invoice with the lowest shipping cost?

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on their website it's like $50 for the cheapest shipping to UK.

I have the elitehd active HD which uses the older version of the processor VTV 1222.

is there a massive difference between the older and newer versions?

i might wait for newer version with both cinema and gaming combined.

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I'm also wondering if there is a discernible visual difference between older and newer versions...
Also, most Directv HD channels are 1080i. I've read online that people use the DTV sat receiver to downscale the 1080i and output 720p, so that the Mcable can upscale it to 1080p. Has anyone here actually tried this? If this is not doable, since most DTV is 1080i, is there a compelling reason to use the Mcable on it? I've read subjective reviews that it "cleans up" the DTV signal. can anyone confirm this?
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I'm also wondering if there is a discernible visual difference between older and newer versions...
Also, most Directv HD channels are 1080i. I've read online that people use the DTV sat receiver to downscale the 1080i and output 720p, so that the Mcable can upscale it to 1080p. Has anyone here actually tried this? If this is not doable, since most DTV is 1080i, is there a compelling reason to use the Mcable on it? I've read subjective reviews that it "cleans up" the DTV signal. can anyone confirm this?
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I tried to change the resolution of my Directv from 1080i to 720p and it did not work. I have my mCable connected to my Oppo which is directly connected to my OLED E6 TV. I have a hard drive connected to my Oppo-103. I don't have a 4K player, but all my BDs, DVDs are ripped to my Hard Drive and I play 3D movies using disks. They all look excellent using a Darbee.
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I'm also wondering if there is a discernible visual difference between older and newer versions...
Also, most Directv HD channels are 1080i. I've read online that people use the DTV sat receiver to downscale the 1080i and output 720p, so that the Mcable can upscale it to 1080p. Has anyone here actually tried this? If this is not doable, since most DTV is 1080i, is there a compelling reason to use the Mcable on it? I've read subjective reviews that it "cleans up" the DTV signal. can anyone confirm this?
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I don't have DirectTV but my cable box only allows me to choose from 720p and 1080i. I did compare the picture at 720p with mCable enhancements vs 1080i without mcable enhancements and I would say that the 720p option had the cleanest picture. I actually have my cable box set to 1080i and I have my receiver output my cable signal at 1080p. I would agree the it does a good job of cleaning up the picture from cable sources.
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They all look excellent using a Darbee.
So you have a Darbee and an mCable? Which version?
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I don't have DirectTV but my cable box only allows me to choose from 720p and 1080i. I did compare the picture at 720p with mCable enhancements vs 1080i without mcable enhancements and I would say that the 720p option had the cleanest picture. I actually have my cable box set to 1080i and I have my receiver output my cable signal at 1080p. I would agree the it does a good job of cleaning up the picture from cable sources.
If I'm understanding you:
You output your cable box at 1080i, then have your AVR upscale it to 1080p, then you have the Mcable take over, then the Darbee? That's a lot of processing...
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I've checked out the Marseille sites tech info, and it would appear the McCable upscales a 1080P image to UHD 4K. This would replace the upscaling of a 4K tv/pj, and only benefit color if the display unit was HDR. So, if you're happy with your 4K display's upscaling, and it's not HDR, then there's little benefit in the McCable. If wrong, please clarify.
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So you have a Darbee and an mCable? Which version?
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Excellent. And you notice an improvement in the picture with each individually and more of an improvement with both together?
My silver edition arrives Saturday.
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i feel like we need some pictures here to demonstrate the capabilities...like using regular cable vs. this for upscaling.
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Coming soon, I promise!
Keep in mind, though, that taking a picture of a TV screen is difficult, so, while you'll probably be able to tell that the cable is doing something (at least that's what I'm hoping), documenting it may be difficult. I'm interested is seeing if/how it changes my calibration (HCFR).
Stay tuned.
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Excellent. And you notice an improvement in the picture with each individually and more of an improvement with both together?
My silver edition arrives Saturday.
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Yes, both together. But you can see the improvements with the cable alone also. Please keep in mind that the difference is not going to be a night and day difference (At least in my case) when using the cable without Darbee.
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If I'm understanding you:
You output your cable box at 1080i, then have your AVR upscale it to 1080p, then you have the Mcable take over, then the Darbee? That's a lot of processing...

Yeah man, the more processing the merrier. Every piece working together harmoniously.
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I've checked out the Marseille sites tech info, and it would appear the McCable upscales a 1080P image to UHD 4K. This would replace the upscaling of a 4K tv/pj, and only benefit color if the display unit was HDR. So, if you're happy with your 4K display's upscaling, and it's not HDR, then there's little benefit in the McCable. If wrong, please clarify.
The mcable only upscales 24/25/30 Hz content up to 4K. Content with higher frame rates will output at a maximum resolution of 1080p. The picture enhancements (detail enhancement, edge restoration, noise reduction) are the other benefits that this cable provides.
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Just a heads up for anyone set on buying the new version (Cinema or Gaming).

There is a 20% Off code, through 8/31/2017, on the Marseille Inc. store. PSVRfrank-mCable

I found it on PSVR frank's channel review video for the gaming edition, in the comments by user J D (the review itself is largely non-technical).


I've contacted Marseille about the differences between the two editions, especially to try and obtain some kind of full-featured comparison.
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Yeah man, the more processing the merrier. Every piece working together harmoniously.

Believe it or not, utilizing the mCable and the Darbee together HAS been extremely harmonious. The mCable's detail enhancement allows me to to use higher Darbee settings without artifacting.

Also, the mCable's upscaling ability is outstanding across the board. My Vizio P-65 upscales 1080i and 720p very well, but does not do so well with 480i (which is the only resolution a few of my cable channels -- American Heroes Channel and Chiller, for example -- come in). The mCable helps all of my cable channels, either through upscaling or detail enhancement, and the picture looks fabulous.

I have the new Cinema Edition, by the way.
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Yeah man, the more processing the merrier. Every piece working together harmoniously.
I get told I have too much processing to.

1st route
source video - > dvdo duo video processor - > Darbee 5000s - > dvdo mini - > TV

2nd route
source video - > dvdo duo video processor - > elite HD activeHD (same as older gen cables VTV 1222 chipset)

I did have the active HD after dvdo mini but sometimes experienced sync issues.

I also owned the older Darbee the difference between then is the newer ones picture looks less processed nit much of difference really.

dvdo duo does deinteracing tasks and Darbee for sharpening and mini for halo ring and slight noise reduction.

My setup is only HD for now.

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Here we go. HTPC to AVR (Pio SC-1222) to Darbee (first generation) to TV (Samsung plasma):





Silver edition mCable ($30 ebay sale), cable between AVR and Darbee:





Messes up grayscale, too (solid yellow; dotted yellow is no mCable):



mCable between Darbee and TV (solid yellow; dotted yellow is no mCable):



Much less of an effect on colors, but still oversharped. Photographs of screen:

Darbee only:



mCable before Darbee:



mCable after Darbee:



mCable only (Darbee attached but off):



Interestingly, if you unplug the USB to the mCable, it doesn't work at all.

So, unfortunately, I won't be using mine. As always, YMMV. I'm eager to see other results.

And if someone would let me know how to resize the image in Imgur, I'd appreciate it (RIP PhotoBucket).

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"So, unfortunately, I won't be using mine." Why is that?
LBNL, thanks for the screen shots, but it's really difficult to tell much (at least for me). What is your subjective assessment of the overall picture improvements? Also, what did you think the best order of the chain was?

I'm still hoping that someone can get a handle on what the actual differences are between the various Mcable generations???
Our elevated cathedral ceiling mount involves a lot of logistics to implement equipment changes at the projector. I want to give the Mcable a try, but I want limit the trips up the 12 foot ladder...Hoping that people can help do the R&D.
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Here we go. HTPC to AVR (Pio SC-1222) to Darbee (first generation) to TV (Samsung plasma):

Spoiler!


Interestingly, if you unplug the USB to the mCable, it doesn't work at all.

So, unfortunately, I won't be using mine. As always, YMMV. I'm eager to see other results.

And if someone would let me know how to resize the image in Imgur, I'd appreciate it (RIP PhotoBucket).

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"So, unfortunately, I won't be using mine." Why is that?
LBNL, thanks for the screen shots, but it's really difficult to tell much (at least for me). What is your subjective assessment of the overall picture improvements? Also, what did you think the best order of the chain was?

I'm still hoping that someone can get a handle on what the actual differences are between the various Mcable generations???
Our elevated cathedral ceiling mount involves a lot of logistics to implement equipment changes at the projector. I want to give the Mcable a try, but I want limit the trips up the 12 foot ladder...Hoping that people can help do the R&D.
Thanks for the screen shots!

Based on the test pattern screen shots, it certainly looks like the darbee only produced the best (cleanest) image of all the combinations.

Whenever someone puts forth the effort to not only test the products, but provide on-line images for us to view is really appreciated.....again thanks!

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What is your subjective assessment of the overall picture improvements? Also, what did you think the best order of the chain was?
There were no picture improvements. The sharpening was way too severe; text (it's an HTPC, after all) was much less readable, images looked posterized. Colors before the Darbee were completely messed up; after the Darbee, pretty much unaffected. It's back in the box.
Perhaps I got a "buggy" one. I won't know unless someone else has a similar experience.
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My pleasure. That's why I wanted you to start the thread.
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There were no picture improvements. The sharpening was way too severe; text (it's an HTPC, after all) was much less readable, images looked posterized. Colors before the Darbee were completely messed up; after the Darbee, pretty much unaffected. It's back in the box.
Perhaps I got a "buggy" one. I won't know unless someone else has a similar experience.
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I'd pretty much have to agree. I've been using mine since Thursday and don't really notice any picture difference The silver with orange band version we both own are considered legacy by Marseille...and the second generation are EOL. They got a lot of hype before and after introduction then basically mention died off. The 'bug' with my cable is that I got a purple screen on my Panasonic plasma set when I first turned the TV on and I thought 'oh great'. Then I turned on my Denon AVR and the picture appeared. Turned off the receiver and the picture went blank. At this point I think it's because I have splitter installed after the Darbee. One feed goes to the HDTV and the other to my Panasonic projector. Put back the original HDMI cable and problem disappeared. I assume it's an EDID problem in the mCable. Oh well it was worth a shot, I've peed away money on lot of things over the years.

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I use the latest generation (Cinema Edition) with my Darbee and I'm very happy with the combo.
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Well, I bit the bullet and got the older Ultra ($30 ebay) model and installed it on our V series Panasonic plasma (because it was a relatively simple install/test). With the signal path, I put it front of the Darbee and so far, not much difference with Dtv. Subjectively, the edge enhancement seems enhanced to some extent, but it's not a dramatic upgrade. There is a 14 day return period with the ebay merchant, but no return shipping.
FWIW, I emailed the Marseille CS. They immediately responded, saying that the latest (Cinema) edition was specifically designed for movie enhancement. Also, they verified that they offer a 15 day return policy. I'm thinking of ordering one and trying it with our DLP PJ.
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I use it to connect Oppo-103 to Darbee, then to mCable, to OLED65E6P
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