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post #211 of 221 Old 10-30-2004, 08:24 PM
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Mark the Mosquito is getting great reception, rave reviews http://www.algolith.com/index.php?id=105
Too bad half the links on your site are dead.

You need to post more samples and screen shots. I'd like to see some real-world shots of the mosquito in action from forum users.
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Algolith, we all (I for sure) can do without composite input; SDI would replace it very well :-)).
Concerning component output I would suggest you to consider (once again) the 5BNC RGBHV output instead of the Component one.
Even if Component output could be transcoded to RGBHV we wouldn't like to spend 3.500 - 5.000 dollars for a box that needs a trnscoder to be set with our Crts. I mean, it would be a minus I would frankly avoid.
Thanks again for your time.
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Why one or the other and not both. STick a switch on the back of the unit or in the menus to switch the output between YPbPr and RGBHV.
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Mark H.,

When you say "room on the chip", it's a bit different than other manufacturers. Most manufacturers have limitations due to clock rate and the size of the FPGAs they selected to use (cost/benefit - large FPGAs are harder to manage and are much more expensive).

The Realta is based on pure software algorithms. That means that the limitation here is real time (i.e., the more algorithms you add the longer it takes to process a single frame, but it still has to reach the output every X miliseconds). Since the Realta can easily handle two HD streams, that means you can do very very "processor intensive" algorithms to SD.

As MNR is primarily SD oriented (luckily for us, HD is not prone to high degrees of MPEG noise yet) - I don't suspect there would be any problem in that respect.

The main issues are effort + cost in implementing such complex algorithms on a new platform in time to meet production deadlines...

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Thanks for the explanation Ofer. From that I would assume that rather than daisy chaining Realtas, what would be done would be to use multiple chips in parallel. Yes?
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Mark,

Basically, if you want to extend to more complex algorithms, the Realtas can be connected together (in parallel). Such a combination can allow you to do very processor intensive tasks, like motion compensating deinterlacing algorithms, which a single Realta cannot do on its own.

Terranex's original claim to fame was how they use parallel processing techniques in a very efficient manner. The Realta was designed with Terranex's parallel processing technology. As I understand it, the Realta is actually composed of many parallel processors internally. It's scalable architecture extends this when you connect several Realtas together...

Given that the Terranex's 3RU unit is going to be supersceded with a single Realta chip, my gut tells me (this is not based on any inside info) that Terranex will make their next 3RU unit - so that it will contain many Realtas and that it will be able to do motion compensative deinterlacing. That means the 6RU will be obsolete.

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From what I hear in the rumor mill (no attestation as to accuracy), Realtas in small quantities will cost a manufacturer $150 each. So give me three in a top of the line Lumagen package (less than $2500 using a single SI chip (less than $50) and a multigate chip (once again less than ($50)), and we will have a super Terranex for under $5K (assuming a chip differential cost of $350 and a parts to cost multiplier of 5). I really like the words motion compensation, such a nice phrase, sort of like holy grail. :)
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From what I hear in the rumor mill (no attestation as to accuracy), Realtas in small quantities will cost a manufacturer $150 each. So give me three in a top of the line Lumagen package (less than $2500 using a single SI chip (less than $50) and a multigate chip (once again less than ($50)), and we will have a super Terranex for under $5K (assuming a chip differential cost of $350 and a parts to cost multiplier of 5). I really like the words motion compensation, such a nice phrase, sort of like holy grail. :)
Mark, going along with what you say re a top of the line Lumagen package:
Frankly, since Realta is so great, I find it hard to believe that Lumagen won't within a year or two redesign and incorporate Realta in their products. Of course with the current new line in beta and coming out for a non-beta release soon they would be foolish to talk about this publicly or even to me or you (as that would get posted here at AVS because you medium lug you and I can't keep our mouths shut). My bet is to wait for Realta a bit longer cause I am confident that when Lumagen does it, they will tailor it for us home theater enthusiasts like we want it, as they have done with their current products. I am sorry, but I've never been impressed by Algolith with an expensive mosquito product with RCAs.
With Algolith, you've got to push and pray that maybe they'll listen on some features. With Lumagen, their attitude (from Captain Picard of Star Trek) is "Make It So". If Algolith is serious about selling products to us home theater nuts here at AVS on a long term basis, then they need to listen to Mark Haflich and "Make It So". :confused:

You mean you don't remember me? Back 1999 - 2003, I started and moderated the AVS Tweaks forum and also the AVS Special Guests forum.

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I absolutely agree with you Steve. Lumagen has a great deal invested in its current package. They must sell what they have now in order to stay alive. I have avoided asking Jim what is up with him using the Realta because I am sure he would tell me under a nondisclosure. Then I would have to refrain from posting here. But I am 100% sure you are correct. A year out and Lumagen will be using the chip.
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Mark: I apologise, you were right as I DID say that our early adopters were display device OEMs. Please allow me to clarify: they are not ALL display OEMs (e.g. Algolith). Further evidence of this will be revealed in a short while...

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No problem. :)
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No need for a composite input. RGsB won't do it. Some of us need RGBH/V others RGBHV. If worse came to worse, component out via BNCs could be transcoded to RGBHV but I think the better solution would be to put the deluxe unit into a taller box or something to that effect. I gather MNR can be switched off and on? If so, all resolutions, no problem. Remember all inputs should be BNCs as well, ala top of the line Lumagen model, even those for S (2 BNCs each) and component (three BNCs for each). Remember we are trying to buy the best (at a reasonable price and wish to eliminate other than 75 ohm connectors.
Those of us who still have large Laserdisk collections could actually use a composite input with a good 3D comb filter. (My Pioneer Elite player is an older one without an S-Video output.)
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