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post #211 of 215 Old 07-31-2005, 02:11 AM
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oops...

I missed this too.

This is a very nice workaround for the legality issue. The spirit of openess is certainly there, I hope everyone understands this point.

This certainly puts a little bit of sunshine into an otherwise bleak law.

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I received an explanation on why in-line products such as switchers, distribution amps, etc. do not work well in some cases, I'll see if I can get it in writing for future reference.
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Any luck in finding the article??
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Let's go even further with this book analogy. DRM would be kind of like printing a book on special paper or with special ink that prevents a copy machine from working. If you try to copy a page, it just comes out all black. Now, does that make your fair use rights harder to exercise? Yes. Is it illegal for them to do that? No. Well, what if I don't like it? Don't buy the book, that's what----or, you can circumvent the protection in some way, perhaps by transcribing the text you're interested in by hand. Or maybe someone will figure out that squirting lemon juice on the page defeats the copy protection.

That's where the DMCA comes in. The DMCA effectively makes the "lemon juice trick" illegal, even if all I want to do is copy a page or two for a non-infringing use. It no longer matters why I'm defeating the copy protection; it only matters that I have. Now that is indeed a case of the government presuming guilt, and it's why I think the DMCA was wrong.
That's exactly correct and this is what I was saying earlier. If Xerox works out a new machine that makes copying the book possible, it is not illegal, immoral or anything of the sort. Just the market at work. Better yet, since Xerox would love for everyone to replace all of their "old" copy machines, there will be many "lemon juice" manufacturers trying to get the old stuff work with the new.

When the DRM issue gets big enough to go to the supreme court, DMCA will be thrown out because it will be unconstitutional. People have rights and assuming someone guilty is not what this country is all about. Watching TV is not criminal and someone deciding to turn off an analog output is completely unconstitutional.

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Let's go even further with this book analogy. DRM would be kind of like printing a book on special paper or with special ink that prevents a copy machine from working. If you try to copy a page, it just comes out all black. Now, does that make your fair use rights harder to exercise? Yes. Is it illegal for them to do that? No. Well, what if I don't like it? Don't buy the book, that's what----or, you can circumvent the protection in some way, perhaps by transcribing the text you're interested in by hand. Or maybe someone will figure out that squirting lemon juice on the page defeats the copy protection.

That's where the DMCA comes in. The DMCA effectively makes the "lemon juice trick" illegal, even if all I want to do is copy a page or two for a non-infringing use. It no longer matters why I'm defeating the copy protection; it only matters that I have. Now that is indeed a case of the government presuming guilt, and it's why I think the DMCA was wrong.
I don't think it would be illegal for someone to use lemon juice in that way. Although it is illegal to circumvent an access control (e.g., a lock that is intended to prevent you from opening the book), it is not illegal to circumvent a copy control (e.g., a special paper or ink that is intended to prevent you from copying the book).

However, according to Section 1201(b)(1), it would be illegal for someone to manufacture, import, offer to the public, provide, or otherwise traffic in lemon juice under certain conditions. "Squirting" is not one of those illegal actions.
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Thread closed. We will always have people on both sides of the fence. I dont want this thread drawing attention to the "powers who be" resulting in getting some our good friends in trouble.
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