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post #181 of 6316 Old 08-24-2006, 09:39 AM
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Thanks everyone for the great AVS trade-in program. I have already sent in my order for the VP30.

A question for Josh: Will the IR codes be the same for the VP50 as they were for the VP30? Just wondering if I will be reprogramming my univeresal remote when the VP50 arrives.

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The trade in program is indeed a great deal! How refreshing to see a company take care of it's customers and reward them for they loyalty. Bravo!

I will definitely be taking advantage of this offer. One question for all of you, can the SDI module that I have installed on my VP30 be used with the VP50?

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SDI module is the same, yes Nisi

what won't be the same is the HD-SDI module Josh mentioned

that would be a dream

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I will be using the VP50 to deinterlace HD-DVD through HDMI. My audio is hooked up by the 6 channel analog output. Will the VP50 be able to deinterlace in real time so I don't experience a delay.
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That trade in deal is so tempting, I registered !

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William there will be a delay, VRS has a 3 frame delay max(per DVDO specs)

I would be in the same boat there, we need Toshiba to add a delay feature, because no pre-amps/receivers that I know of can put a lip sync delay on the 8 channel input

and obviously the VP50 can't do anything to the 8 channel analog audio

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William there will be a delay, VRS has a 3 frame delay max(per DVDO specs)

I would be in the same boat there, we need Toshiba to add a delay feature, because no pre-amps/receivers that I know of can put a lip sync delay on the 8 channel input

and obviously the VP50 can't do anything to the 8 channel analog audio

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With the source being film based there is no need to look 3 frames ahead. I there should be a way to limit that feature. Does 3 frames equal about 20 milliseconds? that might be tolerable. If so then the VP50 may be a downgrade from the field scaling VP30.
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I believe each frame accounts for approx 17 msec. of delay for NTSC. Please correct me if I am wrong.

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Does this deinterlace 1080i over component? The table on the website says it ony deinterlaces 1080i over HDMI, and only scales 1080i over component... is this true?

This is a mistake that will be corrected. The iScan VP50 can deinterlace and then scale a 1080i input signal on the component input.

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With the source being film based there is no need to look 3 frames ahead.

They don't know what the source is you are watching. They are always looking for bad edits, mixed content, video, etc...
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This is a mistake that will be corrected. The iScan VP50 can deinterlace and then scale a 1080i input signal on the component input.

Awesome. Thanks
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SDI module is the same, yes Nisi

what won't be the same is the HD-SDI module Josh mentioned

that would be a dream

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I'm excited about the potential, but there's still a dearth of HDSDI sources. Nobody's yet released any HDSDI mods yet, correct? Or has the situation changed recently?

- Collin
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I'm waffling with regard to buying a VP50. I currently have a VP30 w/ABT102. My display accepts up to 1080i and then scales to 1080p. DirecTv pseudo HD looks very good and SD is acceptable after the ABT102 works on it. DVD's look very good.

I've written code for more years than I like to admit. I turn that side of me off at the end of the day so I'm not deep into the technical part of HT, burned out I guess. With that in mind, what added value would the VP50 offer someone like me? I guess that's the million dollar question isn't it? All I know is what I see and hear from my gear.

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Hai,

I just ordered from the dvdo site, i hope i misunderstood that the deal Jason brokered is valid for all shippings. If so im really sorry for my comments and as i expected they either fixed it or i was wrong from the start.

It can get a little unclear at times with AVS vs AVS its no excuse so Jason, Josh and the others involved sorry if i overreacted avs/dvdo seems to be pulling a class act again.

Daniel.

So when can we start beta testing and sending in bugreports

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Collin HD-SDI mods are being completed on the Toshiba HD-DVD players and the Samsung BR, I am also fairly certain of the D-VHS decks having the mods on them

I would need no less than 4 HD-SDI inputs

William there will be 3 frame delay, no way around that bud, the VP50 will not be a downgrade in anyway at all, much the opposite

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Has anyone of you had problems with the order process? I tried to order today morning (was probably one of the first), but it didn't went through. Mailed to DVDO, but no response yet.
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Has anyone of you had problems with the order process? I tried to order today morning (was probably one of the first), but it didn't went through. Mailed to DVDO, but no response yet.

I ordered about 5min. ago international order totalled $2849. Has to enter SN (that seems changed, was not needed from what i gather before). Already got 2 auto-replies.

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I ordered about 5min. ago international order totalled $2849. Has to enter SN (that seems changed, was not needed from what i gather before). Already got 2 auto-replies.

Tried again now. This is what I'm getting:

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Order not processed

Your order could not be completed for the following reasons:

* CALL VOICE CENTER SGS-000002: R:Referral (call voice center)

Please contact us if you continue to have problems ordering.

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Since I had problems with online ordering this morning, put in a call to DVDO. They just got back to me, very helpful, I'm on the list. Bad news is - evidently I was playing the telephone game with these posts and my brain - salesman informed me that VP50s are shipping in 4 to 6 weeks. Which is about normal, but a lot further out than I had myself believing So - while there isn't much time to jump on the spl offer, once you get your orders in, you can chill out, and just hope they ship before the World Series.

ONLY downside for me - had hoped to get in on Ken's Midwest tuneup tour - but I imagine that the 50 is enough different than the 30, that I really should wait. Dang.

Upside? - salesman assured me (his words, not mine) that when I opened the box of my new VP50, no bugs would come flying out.

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Jon on one hand I would say that the VP30 and 50 should be similiar but on the other I am picky

the thing is, is that Ken will whip your PJ into shape, the only thing that could be slightly different is the video levels when swapping in the VP50, this is something you can change yourself

Ken's full setup won't have anything to do with changing processors

if you can get Ken then get him

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as we move towards universal HDMI support (don't laugh, please...) I see less and less use for HD-SDI for the home.

It's sad, since it's a much better platform than HDMI, but we should admit defeat and comply...

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Sorry if i've missed some details, but am i right that if i trade in my VP30+ABT102 i get $1,600 off the price of the VP50?
$1,600 works out to about £847. I bought the unit 2 months ago and payed £1,345 + £345 for the card, so it's depreciated in value by about £745 in 2 months. Surely this is not right. Then i have to pay out about £750 on top to get the VP50. So to get the VP50 will have cost me about £2,440 or $4,603.
If i missed some info or i have just got it all completely wrong, can someone explain how it works.
Thank you.
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I'm waffling with regard to buying a VP50. I currently have a VP30 w/ABT102. My display accepts up to 1080i and then scales to 1080p. . , what added value would the VP50 offer someone like me?.

Almost nothing. Your TV must accept 1080p in order for the superb ce-interlacing of the VP50 to show it's stuff. You might see some minor improvement with 1080i source to the VP50 outputting 720p to your TV which will scale the 720p to 1080p. None of the competition -- Lumagens, Faroudjas, Crystallios, etc. will do you much HD good either.

Remember when lines and logos burned the TV screen? I was at a concert where a musical selection made extremely heavy use of about four of the keys of the piano.
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After looking at the specs, I feel that only 2 features are missing:

- Accepting 1080p/24 signals (for next gen HD-DVDs and BR players)

- Outputting 1080p/24sf for Qualia owners.

Are these 2 features in the pipeline?

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Jay182 - while I'm not up on exchange rates, and have no idea where you even are, if you live in a locale where one would pay 2700 euros (pounds? ya got me) for a VP30, I would have to think you could resell it locally for maybe, what, 2000 euros? All I know is that relative to stateside prices, the upgrade is such that even I (a vocal VP30 whiner) am making the move. If they go for that much more over there, by all means, sell it on the open market. As Allan states above, for many folks, there is not a compelling reason to get a VP50, and your VP30 with ABT card should be emminently desireable on the secondary market.

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Sorry if i've missed some details, but am i right that if i trade in my VP30+ABT102 i get $1,600 off the price of the VP50?
$1,600 works out to about £847. I bought the unit 2 months ago and payed £1,345 + £345 for the card, so it's depreciated in value by about £745 in 2 months. Surely this is not right. Then i have to pay out about £750 on top to get the VP50. So to get the VP50 will have cost me about £2,440 or $4,603.
If i missed some info or i have just got it all completely wrong, can someone explain how it works.
Thank you.

Well if you order including the AVS discount, you're about $400 wrong but I'm not sure if you took the extra $250 for the UK into account, so at worst your estimate is $150 too high.

Plus you paid quite a lot mate. I expect specific dealer prices are verbotten on here but I paid noticeably less than that for the vp30 back in Jan and got the abt102 as part of the intro offer at the time it was launched.

So my total price for the vp50 (plus 7 months of vp30 pleasure) is more like £1900 - just luck I guess.

Depending on your setup, sticking with the vp30 for now might be the right move? It's still a great box.
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as we move towards universal HDMI support (don't laugh, please...) I see less and less use for HD-SDI for the home.

It's sad, since it's a much better platform than HDMI, but we should admit defeat and comply...

If both hddvd and bluray players have been shown to support HDSDI and we have companies like DVDO supporting it as a format why do we have to comply ?

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Sorry if i've missed some details, but am i right that if i trade in my VP30+ABT102 i get $1,600 off the price of the VP50?
$1,600 works out to about £847. I bought the unit 2 months ago and payed £1,345 + £345 for the card, so it's depreciated in value by about £745 in 2 months. Surely this is not right. Then i have to pay out about £750 on top to get the VP50. So to get the VP50 will have cost me about £2,440 or $4,603.
If i missed some info or i have just got it all completely wrong, can someone explain how it works.
Thank you.

I bought my VP30 just barely a month ago. I'm pleased with the trade in though the 4-6 weeks of use were pretty expensive. I bought it knowing I would get very good trade in value--otherwise I would have waited and in turn missed out seeing the beautiful things the VP30 could do with my SDI modded DVD player.
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If both hddvd and bluray players have been shown to support HDSDI

The UK Sky HD receiver has also been successfully HD-SDI modded, AFAIK.
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