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This is the definitive spec sheet on the DVDO iScan VP50:

The iScan VP50 is a high-definition video processor and A/V hub that converts standard or high definition (including 1080p) from your HD-DVD player, Blu-ray Disc player, HD-DVR, game console, or PC to any output resolution between VGA and 1080p, including popular HDTV resolutions such as 720p and 1080i.

VRS Precision Deinterlacing technology by Anchor Bay - 480i/576i/1080i 10-bit Motion, Edge & Source Adaptive Deinterlacer
o Five-field motion adaptive deinterlacing
o Edge adaptive processing to produce smooth diagonal edges
o Three frame video processing delay (Max)
o Game Modes with very low latency (sub-1 frame delay/2 frame delay with Edge adaptive processing)
Arbitrary cadence detection (any:any) to detect non-standard cadences in input signals.
o Reliable 2:2 pull-down detection for 50Hz countries
o Detection of 2:2 to/from 3:2 crossfades and out of phase 3:2 crossfades
o Detection of multiple source types within a frame for example video titles over film
o Bad edit detection and compensation to minimize artifacts caused by sequence breaks in film content

VRS Precision Video Scaling II - Anchor Bay's High perforance 10-bit Scaling technology


PReP - Anchor Bay's unique Progressive ReProcessing technology which recovers the original interlace signals in standard 480p/576p and even 1080p signals so it can be processed by ABT's Precision Deinterlacing technology.

Progressive Cadence Detection of 480p, 576p, 720p and 1080p input signals to allow source-locked framerate output of film-based content (24/48/72Hz)

Anchor Bays Rightrate - High-Performance TearlessFramerate Conversion which enables 24/48/72Hz or 25/50/75Hz output of film-based content. Outputs include 1080p-24 and 1080p-48.

Anchor Bay's Precision Gamma Correction - Individual R/G/B Adjustments
Anchor Bay's Precision A/V Lipsync - Intelligent digital audio delay technology to match Audio and Video timing
Anchor Bay's AutoVFR - Intelligent Component Video Inputs with Automatic Video Format Routing
Anchor Bay's AutoCUE-C - Automatic Chroma Upsampling Error detection and correction

4 HDMI Inputs which process 480i/p, 576i/p, 720p-50/60, 1080i-50/60, 1080p-24/25/50/60, qnd VGA-SXGA@60Hz signals
Analog HD Transcoding and Processing


Input Aspect Ratio Controls
Presets: 4:3 full frame, 4:3 letterbox, Panorama (non-linear stretch), 16:9 full frame or user-defined aspect ratio (10)
Flexible Horizontal and Vertical Zooming & Panning controls
Overscan Adjustment per input

Output Aspect Ratio Controls
Presets: 4:3, 16:9, 2.35:1 or custom output aspect ratio
Separate Display/Screen Adjustments
Underscan Adjustment to eliminate Overscan inherent in a display

10 User-Defined 'Display Profiles' - For multiple display, framerate, and image shift configurations (10)

10-bit 300MHz Instrumentation Quality DACs (2x Oversampling for 1080p)
Full-frame Timebase Correction
High performance, multi-standard video decoder (10-bit: 480i/576i; 12-bit: 480p/576p/720p/1080i)
High-quality super-adaptive comb filter with 2D Y/C separation
Flexible Digital and Analog Audio switching and routing - 4 HDMI audio/video inputs, 5 assignable audio inputs (4 digital, 1 analog) with 1 HDMI audio/video output and 2 active digital audio outputs.
Software Upgradeable

Predefined output resolutions for Plasma, DLP, LCD, LCOS, and CRT-based displays:
480p (720x480)
576p (720x576)
720p (1280x720)
1080i (1920x1080)
1080p (1920x1080)
VGA (640x480)
SVGA (800x600)
XGA (1024x768)
SXGA (1280x1024)
848x600
852x480
1024x576
1024x1024 (ALIS)
1280x768
1280x960
1365x1024
1366x768
1365x768
1400x788
1400x1050
1440x960
1440x1152
User customizeable output resolution from 480p (720x480) to 1080p (1920x1080)

Technical Specifications

Inputs
Twelve Video Inputs Available
Two Composite (NTSC/PAL/SECAM)
Two S-Video (NTSC/PAL/SECAM)
Two Component (YPbPr or RGB/S) processes 480i/p, 576i/p, 720p, 1080i
One RGBHV/Component (BNC-style connectors) processes 480p, 576p, 720p, 1080i, VGA/SVGA/XGA/SXGA@60Hz
Four HDMI processes 480i/p, 576 i/p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p-50/60, VGA/SVGA/XGA/SXGA@60Hz
One Optional SD-SDI (Serial Digital Interface) processes 480i/576i
Nine Audio Inputs
Four HDMI (HDMI v1.2)
Two Coaxial Digital
Two Optical Digital
One Analog Pair (L/R)

Outputs
One Analog Video Output
Using High Quality BNC-style connectors
Configurable for YPbPr, RGBHV, RGB/S, or RGB
One Digital Audio/Video Output
Using HDMI (High Definition Multimedia Interface) connector
Configurable for YCbCr or RGB
Also carries audio (HDMI v1.1)
Two Digital Audio Outputs
One Coaxial Digital
One Optical Digital

Controls
Front Panel
Infrared remote control with direct access codes or manual controls on front panel
Functions accessible via either On Screen Display (OSD) or 2 line, 20 character front-panel LED display
RS232 port for software downloads and automation.
Fully programmable controls for each separate video input with non-volatile memories:
- Automatic input source detection & input priority selection
- Picture controls with memory for each input: Brightness, Contrast, Saturation, Hue, Y/C Delay, Sharpness
Output Controls: Analog/Digital, Format/Resolution, Aspect Ratio, Sync Type, Colorspace (RGB or YPbPr),
Frame Lock, Display Profiles (10)
35 Built-in test patterns for ease of set up

Power
Universal AC mains input: 100 - 240 VAC @ 50-60 Hz
Consumption <45W
Sleep Mode - automatic 30 second timeout indicated by power indicator color change

Physical Dimensions
10.4x17x2.2 (26.3cmx43.4cmx5.5cm) with feet
10.4x17x1.8 (26.3cmx43.4cmx4.6cm) without feet

Available Accessories
Rack Mount Kit
SD-SDI Input Module
Silver Front Bezel
USB-to-Serial Adapter

FAQs:

Q: What are these 'Game Modes' ?
A: These modes can reduce the amount of video delay to less than a single frame. In many competitive processors the effects of applying complex algorithms to the video image results in upwards of a seven frame delay. This can inhibit the real-time performance for gamers who want instantaneous response to react to stimuli and to realize peak performance from their application. The VRS Precision Deinterlacing Game Modes will reduce frame delay down to slightly less than one frame of video.


Q: What comes on the 'VRS DVD' that ships with the VP50?
A: The DVD that comes with the VP50 includes many test patterns to assist the you in optimizing the setup and to evaluate the performance of your iScan VP50 (or any other video processing). This DVD was produced by Stacey Spears and Don Munsil (S&M) and I strongly believe that this will be the Reference DVD that everyone uses to compare video processing from now on.

The Static Patterns include:
Picture Controls (Brightness/Contrast, Color/Tint, Y/C Delay, and Resolution)
Geometry (Frame Geometry, Image Cropping, Cross Hatch - Coarse, Cross Hatch - Fine, and Focus)
Gray Scale (10IRE - 100IRE Windows and Gray Ramp)
Half Patterns (Black/White, Color 7 Bars 75, Color (7) Bars 100, Color (8) Bars 75 and Color (8) Bars 100 - These are the 'other half' of the test patterns which are built into the iScan VP50)

The Motion Patterns include:
Chroma Upsampling (ICP, 2-2, and 2-3)
Source Adaptive (Film, Film Detail, and Synthetic Wedge - Each test patterns has 2-2, 2-2-2-4, 2-3-2-3, 2-3-3-2-2, 2-3-3-2, 3-2-3-2-2, 3-3, 4-4, 5-5, 6-4, 8-7-8-7 cadences as well as a sped up cadence and bad-edits)
Edge Adaptive (Jaggies at 45/20/10 degress, Jaggies at all degrees, Video sequences which have very difficult diagonals: 'Ropes', "Ship' , 'Hockey', and Bridge')
Mixed Mode (Horizontal Text and Vertical Text)
Montage

There is also a Demo Loop which goes through all of the deinterlacing evaluation content.

The Source Adaptive 'Film' and 'Film Detail' content should be familiar to everyone, they are the infamous Cafe scene (ever wonder what happens after the bum gets the newspaper?) and Super Speedway, respectively.

Q: Can I purchase an iScan VP50 with the SDI input module installed.
A: At this point, this card is purely a user/dealer-installable upgrades. Both are very easy to do and the installation of either will not void your warranty.

Q: Does the iScan VP50 use the same SDI input module or rack mounts as the iScan HD, HD+, VP20 and VP30?
A: Yes, the iScan VP50 uses exactly the same input module and rack mounts.

Q: Can the iScan VP50 take an HDMI input signal and output that same signal over the analog outputs?
A: If the input signal has HDCP (High-bandwidth Digital Content Protection) legally we must turn off the analog outputs. If the input signal does not have HDCP, then the iScan VP50 CAN output this signal as an analog signal (either RGB or component) at any resolution between VGA and 1080p.

Q: What features does the VP50 have, which the iScan VP20/VP30 do not have?
A: Precision Video Deinterlacing by Anchor Bay for SD (480i/576i) and HD (1080i) VP20/VP30 use the SiI504 for SD deinterlacing and both are upgradeable to the ABT102 (Precision Deinterlacing Card).
Progressive Cadence Detection of 480p, 576p, 720p and 1080p input signals to allow source-locked framerate output of film-based content (24/48/72Hz)
PReP, Progressive ReProcessing of 480p, 576p and 1080p signals
HDMI Inputs can process up to 1080p
VP20/VP30 can process up to 720p/1080i
The VP50 has Anchor Bay's Progressive ReProcessing (PReP) which allows the reinterlacing of an interlaced source whch is converted to progressive by the source. This allows Anchor Bay's high performance Precision Deinterlacing to dramatically improve the image that was previously processed by the source. This is particularly useful with cable and satellite set top boxes that do not output standard definition (480i/576i) at their native resolutions, they are deinterlaced to 480p or 576p. PReP can even be used with a 1080p source like a BD or HD-DVD player!


Q: If I connect an HDMI (audio/video) source to the iScan VP50 will I be able to get audio out via the optical/coaxial digital outputs?
A: In most cases the audio that is available on the HDMI connection will be available on the optical/coaxial audio outputs. Exceptions include MLP (DVD-Audio) and DSD (SACD) which SPDIF connections are incapable of carrying due to bandwidth limitations.

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There will be an upgrade program and it should be on our web site early next week.

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let this soon to be massive thread begin

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Josh - I think I know the answer to this, but just for the sake of clarity - does the VP50 include the same deinterlacing capabilities of the ABT102 and also apply these to 1080i?

On the upgrade front, please please don't forget about International customers. And, will there be a differential upgrade price for a VP30/ABT over a VP30?

And, is there going to be any chance to edit the EDID table - to force the SkyHD box to output 576i. And, is there going to be the previoulsy mentioned by Dale ability to de-bob bobbed input.

And, when can I have one?
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Gamma (R/G/B and up to 1024 point Gamma individual RGB correction)

So now you will be able to get that perfect Gamma curve even if your display does not have the controls for it. Full 10 bit RGB output Look Up Table management. Guess we need to get busy in CalMAN to add support for this

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Congrats to DVDO !

Here are some questions:

(1) Were you able to get along without a fan? If so, how much hotter does the VP50 get than the older VPs? Do we need to be extra careful where to place the VP50?

(2) Are the deinterlacing FPGA algorithms updatable through firmware updates, too (unlike the ABT102 in the VP30)?

(3) Is a HD-SDI input module technically possible? If yes, is it planned? If no, does the VP50 work together with the Key Digital "Digital Blaster"?

(4) Do the HDMI inputs support *any* resolution in - even unusual resolutions? I'm asking because clips you can download from the internet don't always come in standard resolutions. And when having a media player which is able to output the played content in exactly its native resolution over HDMI, it would be nice to have the VP50 to accept really *any* resolution in.

(5) The ABT homepage claims that there'd be noise reduction build into a DVDO device in 2006. Did you revise these plans? I was hoping that they'd make it into the VP50. Is there anything you can say about noise reduction?

(6) I guess the VP50 comes too early for HDMI 1.3? If so, it will probably not be able to handle e.g. Dolby Digital Plus signals coming through HDMI, right? (Probably not too much of a problem, since multi channel PCM can be used instead).

(7) Were you able to put any new algorithms into the deinterlacing FPGA? E.g. some way to reduce the 24fps motion judder? Or maybe some improved deinterlacing stuff like 1 pixel motion compensation or something crazy like that?

(8) Is the full processing path at >= 10bit now? Or are some parts still in 8bit?

(9) Can the VP50 detect cadence in 1080p60 film content and get rid of the duplicate frames to get a proper 1080p24/48/72 output?

(10) Can the VP50 reinterlace progressive sources to undo bad deinterlacing done by DVD players or STBs and re-deinterlace them properly? (Dale hinted something like that).

Sorry for asking so many question - and thanks very much for your reply in advance!!

(Edit: Added questions 9 + 10.)
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Umm... just curious here (seriously), but what is the market for a $3000 external scaler when...

... with a 1080p source and a 1080p display, there is no scaling or deinterlacing to do... while I suppose probably most of the market for this is in projectors, wouldn't a more cost effective and higher quality solution be to get a 1080p projector?

... I'll be able to buy an AVR soon in the $2000 - $2500 range with a Realta HQV scaler that is equal or higher quality. That'll scale my video inputs all the way down to a VCR and switch audio and video at the same time to boot and serve as an amp, etc.

Just curious, cuz I thought the window for this type of product would be closing with 1080p... so wondering if there is any real advantage. Yeah, you can tweak this sucker more then an AVR, but seriously, do you really need to? .
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1) Does this processor support 1080/24PsF output, particularly for film based source material?

2) When do you expect to start shipping to customers?

3) Is it HDMI 1.1 or HDMI 1.2 compliant?
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... with a 1080p source and a 1080p display, there is no scaling or deinterlacing to do...

What about HD broadcasting? That will still be done in 1080i for a long time to come.

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... I'll be able to buy an AVR soon in the $2000 - $2500 range with a Realta HQV scaler that is equal or higher quality.

Are you so sure that the HQV is really equal or better? Some reports say the HQV is slightly better at SD, others say the ABT102 is slightly better. Also we don't know yet how they compare at HD. Furthermore a lot depends on how these chips are implemented. I've heard of different HQV products performing noticable different.

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Just curious, cuz I thought the window for this type of product would be closing with 1080p... so wondering if there is any real advantage. Yeah, you can tweak this sucker more then an AVR, but seriously, do you really need to? .

There's more to a video processor than deinterlacing. E.g. will the AVR offer timing controls to achieve 1:1 pixel mapping? How about gamma correction abilities? There are many reasons why buying an external video processor still makes sense. Also, usually video processor companies are much quicker in addressing problems and adding needed features than AVR companies.
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First off thanks Josh for giving us some definitive specs at last and a head of cedia!!

Although this seems like only a minor upgrade on the VP30...
  • No HD-SDI, although I appreciate being able to reuse my SD-SDI module.
  • No change in basic input/output, a second HDMI out would have been nice.
  • No mention of filtering/mpeg noise features.

Just wondering if this is intended as a stop gap to give us the HD deinterlacing while you work on the next big step (maybe waiting for HDMI 1.3 chips and more testing of new ABT tech)?

Don't get me wrong, this seems like an excellent box and would pair well with the 'pearl' I'm considering and so long as the international trade-in is reasonable I'll certainly be considering it!

Will there be expansion capabilities in the VP50 for future hardware enhancements?

...Oh and I hate to ask but how much of a codebase change is this from the VP30? Enough to finally sort out the audio drop outs I hope but not enough to introduce another 9 month+ issue....
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I was reading through that description thinking "hmm.. sounds like it's in the same box as the VP30".

Checked the DVDO website, and - sure enough - it is.

Woohoo! Upgrade possible without she who must be obeyed realising I've splashed out more dosh
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Interesting, according to the datasheet they're including a USB to serial adapter in the box.

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Hai,

Good to see the new model, maybe i was close with my guess on vp20,30,40,50. Can we now expect a vp40 that is non-analog ?

a few q:

1) Anyway, like others i am wondering why you didn't add NR to the vp50 can you comment on that ? does the fpga have enough room to add that or is that for a next machine?.

2) What _many_ of us like is the fact that it doesn't seem to have a fan again is that correct ? with 30watts total usage seems a good heatsink should be enough.

3) upgrades, could you also have a upgrade price for the vp30 with or without the 102 card ? most of us will take the sdi card to the vp50 but the 102 card is a loss item then.

4) international upgrades at the same time as usa upgrades please. Atleast for the countries where a clear method is already in place (vp30/102 went very smooth).

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...Oh and I hate to ask but how much of a codebase change is this from the VP30? Enough to finally sort out the audio drop outs I hope but not enough to introduce another 9 month+ issue....

My guess is very little the codebase from the HD+ went to the vp30, we knew they are working on better gamma control / passthrough for the vp30 and that now seems to be added to the vp50. I am guessing they are taking the 1.10 release of the vp30 as a starting point the deinterlacing is lowlevel not many changes needed to the gui/control stuff if you ask me.

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What ADCs and video decoder chips are you using? Still using the SAA71xx?
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is AVS going to run some upgrade specials for AVS members, like the ABT102 card upgrade?? that would be great!

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I don't understand a lot of the tech jargon. My bottom line is how is this box going to give me a better picture then the VP30?

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I don't understand a lot of the tech jargon. My bottom line is how is this box going to give me a better picture then the VP30?

From what we know now you can expect better video from HD sources, you will also have a option to pass the signal (just switch) inside the vp50 and lastly you will have a much better control on calibration per display since it will have good gamma and color controls that you can use to counteract any offsets in your display.

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Interesting, according to the datasheet they're including a USB to serial adapter in the box.

- Collin

Yep sounds like a good move support wise as I'm sure, based on what we see here, that a lot of calls/emails are about firmware update issues using random USB->serial adapters.
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Hai,
2) What _many_ of us like is the fact that it doesn't seem to have a fan again is that correct ? with 30watts total usage seems a good heatsink should be enough.

3) upgrades, could you also have a upgrade price for the vp30 with or without the 102 card ? most of us will take the sdi card to the vp50 but the 102 card is a loss item then.

4) international upgrades at the same time as usa upgrades please. Atleast for the countries where a clear method is already in place (vp30/102 went very smooth).

Couldn't agree more with these 3 points.
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I wonder what the trade in will be for the VP30 with the ABT102 card? Hopefully we can get in on a good deal between the trade in and an AVS buy. Of course I just had my yearly calibration done with the VP30 in the mix for the first time. I'll be looking forward to the VP50!

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(6) I guess the VP50 comes too early for HDMI 1.3? If so, it will probably not be able to handle e.g. Dolby Digital Plus signals coming through HDMI, right? (Probably not too much of a problem, since multi channel PCM can be used instead).

This is something I'd like to ask as well. From what little I've read about HDMI 1.3, it will be a somewhat significant upgrade, as it will both mean support for the new HD surround sound formats, and also higher bitrates and more colors in the video section.

So I'd probably wait for a 1.3 videoprosessor.

But - from what madshi says above; is the 1.3 support of the new HD sound formats not really necessary? Will HDMI 1.1 be able to carry the signal over to a receiver anyway? And the HD sound compatible receiver will then decode the signal (as it is today with current formats)? If so - is the HD sound format support from 1.3 only worth it if you want the source to decode the sound? What am I not getting here?

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is the 1.3 support of the new HD sound formats not really necessary? Will HDMI 1.1 be able to carry the signal over to a receiver anyway? And the HD sound compatible receiver will then decode the signal (as it is today with current formats)? If so - is the HD sound format support from 1.3 only worth it if you want the source to decode the sound? What am I not getting here?

It's the other way round: If the source decodes the sound, it can send it decoded as PCM multichannel over HDMI 1.1 and the audio processor should understand it (if it fully supports HDMI 1.1). You need HDMI 1.3 for audio only if you want to transport the new audio formats to the audio processor undecoded, so that the audio processor decodes them. That's not too important IMO, cause I believe all (or most) source devices will be able to do the decoding.
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Having the receiver do the decoding is preferable. Hopefully I'll have one by this time next year that will decode the new codecs and have HDMi 1.3 along with a new HD DVD player with HDMI 1.3. In that setup I would still need to go to the receiver first then to the VP50 if it doesn't have HDMI 1.3.

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I wonder how it will compare in HD deinterlacing to the HDQ. I also wonder if it is worth the extra 1,000 over the HDQ...

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Josh,

Are you using the same chip/audio subsystem from the VP30, or has there been a replacement/redesign? Thanks.

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Why is decoding in the receiver preferable, I though with HD DVD at least the whole point is to do it in the player as this is where it is 'mixed'?
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Josh - I think I know the answer to this, but just for the sake of clarity - does the VP50 include the same deinterlacing capabilities of the ABT102 and also apply these to 1080i?

Yes

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And, will there be a differential upgrade price for a VP30/ABT over a VP30?

Yes, we should have complete details on the trade-in program early next week.

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And, is there going to be any chance to edit the EDID table - to force the SkyHD box to output 576i.

This is a feature that we would like to add to the VP20, VP30 and VP50.

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And, is there going to be the previoulsy mentioned by Dale ability to de-bob bobbed input.

The design of the VP50 allows all algorithms to be updated through the serial port.

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And, when can I have one?

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Product comparison table said :

i/S HD Precision Deinterlacing (480i and 576i) for VP50

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VRS SD Precision Deinterlacing (1080i) for VP50 and optional for VP20/VP30

I think it's a bug and we need to read :

i/S HD Precision Deinterlacing (1080i) for VP50

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VRS SD Precision Deinterlacing (480i and 576i) for VP50 and optional for VP20/VP30


What i/S means ?
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