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http://www.lumagen.com/testindex.php?module=news

The Lumagen RadianceXG Processor Provides High-Performance Video Switching, Processing and Calibration for the Home Theater and Commercial Markets.

The RadianceXG provides a versatile backbone for high-definition (HD) theater systems. With 12 video, and 17 audio input sources, it offer extensive switching capabilities, including PiP/POP support. Two HDMI outputs, and two COAX audio outputs, are provided. Together these enable the RadianceXG to act as the central switching hub for large theater systems, at home or in a corporate environment.

Feature list:
Inputs (12 video, 17 audio including audio on the five HDMI inputs):

- 5 HDMI
- 2 Component/SCART
- 1 VGA (accepts RGBHV or Component)
- 2 SVideo
- 2 Composite
- 4 Stereo analog
- 6 COAX audio
- 2 Optical audio
- 1 IR command (TTL-level)

Outputs (2 video, 4 audio including audio on HDMI outputs):
- 2 HDMI
- 2 SPDIF

Functionality:
- Picture-in-Picture (PiP) and Picture-Outside-Picture (PoP)
- Two HDMI outputs allow two digital HDCP displays to have independent setups
- Second HDMI output can be copy of the first, or it can be audio only at a lower rate for receivers not capable of accepting 1080p inputs
- 10-bit, or higher, processing input to output
- Modular design. Video processing can be upgraded to 16-bit when 16-bit depth video processing chip becomes available, by replacing small daughter-card.
- Per-pixel detail enhancement
- MPEG artifact reduction, including mosquito and block artifacts
- Temporal noise reduction for SD and HD sources
- Per-pixel noise adaptive, directional interpolation video deinterlacing
- Film inverse-telecine with cadence processing including bad-edit detection
- Film genlock for correct 24, 48, 60, 72-Hertz output (24fps), and 50, 75 Hertz (25fps)
- Inherently low-latency video and film deinterlacing (1.25 frame if genlocked)
- Game mode for lowest latency (approximately 0.25 fames if genlocked)
- MPEG mosquito and block artifact noise reduction
- Lip-sync matching for audio and video
- HDMI and analog support up to 1080p input
- Adaptive diagonal filter for best quality video source processing
- Full-resolution Chroma processing (4:4:4)
- Direct selection of 4:3, 4:3 NLS, 16:9, 1.85 and 2.35 source aspect ratio
- User definable Preciseview Non-Linear-Stretch (NLS) of 4:3 source on 16:9 screen
- Software and video processing algorithms are user upgradeable using free updates
- 11-point parametric gamma grayscale calibration
- Color and Hue offsets for Red and Green push correction
- Primary color correction
- Extensive test patterns for display/projector setup
- Extensive input and output sizing, color-space, etc, controls provide an optimal setup for all combinations of input sources and displays.
- Rack mountable case (17 by 3.5 by 10.5)
- Optional external HDMI to analog converter
- Optional external SDI to HDMI converter
- Optional rack mount ears

Description:
The RadianceXG is perfectly suited for refining and enhancing the images presented by front projectors and top-level rear-screen displays. It combines the award winning Lumagen switching, calibration, and proprietary No-ring scaling, with the exceptional deinterlacing and noise reduction of the Gennum VXP video processing technology. Together the Lumagen and Gennum technologies provide 10-bit processing, per-pixel SD and HD video deinterlacing with enhanced adaptive diagonal filtering, edge enhancing scaling technology that does not introduce ringing - unlike other competing processors, plus MPEG mosquito and block artifact reduction. Finally, the most important image quality feature is temporal noise reduction for both SD and HD sources. Simply stated, the RadianceXG delivers extensive switching, advanced calibration features, and higher performance than other video processors.

The RadianceXG video inputs include 5 HDMI, with HDCP, 2 SD/HD Component, 1 VGA, 2 S-Video, and 2 composite. The HDMI, VGA, and component, inputs accept input resolutions of up to 1080p at 60 Hertz. For audio, in addition to audio using the 5 HDMI inputs, there are four analog stereo pairs, 6 coax and 2 optical audio inputs.

The RadianceXG's two HDMI outputs support up to 1920 by 1080, 60-Hertz, progressive resolution. The second HDMI output can be a copy of the first output, or it can be used as an audio only output to send audio to receivers that do not support a full 1080p for their HDMI inputs. Additionally, for systems with two displays, an independent output configuration can be used for each.

The RadianceXG supports PiP, and POP, for any two inputs. Other key features include user-adjustable image enhancement, four configuration memories for each input, a programmable output resolution from 480p to 1080p, plus 1080i; the ability to zoom in on any source by up to 33 percent; selectable aspect ratios of 4:3, 4:3 NLS, 16:9, 1.85, and 2.35. The 4:3 NLS uses Lumagen's Preciseview user programmable non-linear-stretch mode to allow the user to program exactly how 4:3 sources fill a 16:9 display. For film sources 2:2, 3:2 and 3:3 pull-down detection is supported (along with other less common cadences) to allow for correct cadence output at 24, 48, 60 and 72 Hertz for 24 fps film sources, plus 50 and 75 Hertz for 25 fps film source.

The RadianceXG is a modular platform. It allows for upgraded capabilities without the need to buy an entirely new video processor. For example, the current VXP processor from Gennum utilizes 10-bit pixel-depth processing, but when a 16-bit pixel-depth video processor becomes available, it can be installed by simply replacing a small daughter card. And the RadianceXG is designed to be able to take maximum advantage of the 16-bit processor's pixel depth. The HDMI revision 1.1 inputs and outputs can also be upgraded to new HDMI revision levels as they become available, while keeping the same video processor in place.

The RadianceXG automatically detects input format for SD composite, and SVideo, as well as HD component and HDMI signals. There are four configuration memories per input with unique set-up parameters for each memory; an extensive suite of test patterns; 11-point parametric grayscale and gamma calibration; Color and Hue offsets; Y/C delay; CUE/ICP filtering, input sizing, and programmable input and output color-space. An RS232 interface is provided for software upgrades and control functions. An external universal power supply enhances the processor's reliability, placement options, and it allows for quiet - no fan - operation.

The RadianceXG is the first product in Lumagen's Radiance family of video processors. Lumagen plans other models in the Radiance line that use the VXP technology, and other video processors, such as the Silicon Optix Realta.

Lumagen also produces the Vision series of video processors. These award-wining products were first to provide affordable per-pixel HD deinterlacing for video sources, and inverse-telecine for 1080i film-based sources, allowing a true 1080p viewing experience. Members of the Vision family include VisionHDP, and the Vision HDQ.

The RadianceXG video processor will be available in 2007 Q1 from authorized Lumagen dealers at a suggested price of $3499. Rack-ears for mounting the RadianceXG in a 19 rack are available at a suggested price of $50. Pricing for the external HDMI to analog converter and external SDI to HDMI converter is TBD.
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What I like:

- Video processing CPU can be upgraded
- HDMI 1.1 can be upgraded to HDMI 1.3
- very fair price
- no fan

What I don't like:

./.

What I'd like to know:

- is MPEG/BAR noise reduction limited to SD?
- which algorithms are used for MPEG/BAR (Gennum, Algolith, something else)?
- how big is the RadianceXG case?
- will the Realta based Radiance be better or worse?
- why a Realta *and* a Gennum VPX based Radiance?
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[- how big is the RadianceXG case? Rack mountable case (17 by 3.5 by 10.5)

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Rack mountable case (17 by 3.5 by 10.5)

Ah, posted it myself, but missed this line - thanks...
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Well, now I'm really confused. I was expecting the Radiance "JR" to come in at a much higher price, so I went ahead and ordered the VP50. Now I'm wondering whether to cancel and wait for the RadianceXG. Anyone else thinking the same thing?
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Well, you'll have to wait at least 4 months for the RadianceXG. Even if Lumagen is able to deliver on the target release date (Q1 2007), it could be as much as 6 months. Are you willing to wait that long? Personally, I've ordered the VP50. Thanks to the great international upgrade program it was no difficult decision. If the Lumagen is as good as it sounds, I can still sell the VP50 next year and buy the Lumagen instead.
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No SDI inputs -- neither SD-SDI or HD-SDI.

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What a surprise! I was waiting for an announcement about their Realta-based Radiance. I didn't even know that they had a Gennum-based unit under development.

This sounds like a killer device. The calibration features, test patterns, world-class scaling, deinterlacing, and noise reduction and a healthy excess of inputs and outputs, all mated (I hope) to a user-friendly interface makes this thing sound irresistable.

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I use SDI now so I would miss that. I don't think I would go for a $400 converter either. It should be no more than $200

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It was known for a long time that neither SDI in nor analog out would be available in the Radiance box. Lumagen plans to offer external converters for these purposes, which are said to be affordable - when bought together with the Radiance.
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This looks like a winner. I was gonna order the HDp/HDQ ...now am in a quandry. This looks like exactly what I am looking for - 2 HDMI out - a big plus to drive both a plasma and PJ.

Actually thought the pricing was pretty good as well. Guess I will have to make my mind upon the PJ first.......too many decisions...but given the shipping time frame - apprently will have the time...if not the will power
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wow, total surprise (I'm not kidding), this Gennum vs. HQV vs. DVDO seems a lot like the BD vs. HD DVD camps.

A switch like this from one manufacturer to another is definitely a surprise.

Feature list looks amazing!

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A switch like this

But is it really a switch? I'm a bit confused about that. They're saying:

"Lumagen plans other models in the Radiance line that use the VXP technology, and other video processors, such as the Silicon Optix Realta."
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Modular upgrades = very impressive.

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I really like the upgradeable chips ability!

What can this unit do that the Crystalio 2 can't do already?

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Radiance XD (HQV chip)taken off the lumagen site, only shows Radiance XG
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Bob I was wondering the same. If one was in the market for getting this unit would they be better off grabbing a CrystalioII now instead of having to wait? They seem very much alike. The Radience does have 5 HDMI inputs but that is not a great difference. I just wonder if Lumagen will implement a nicer user interface (like the CrystalioII) because I was not very impressed with the HDQs. Also entering many different codes does get to be cumbersome. If the radience had a better menu system then it would be worth looking at if not then I will be more than happy with the CrystalioII... Just a quick thought...

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What can this unit do that the Crystalio 2 can't do already?

Save you $1000.
Seriously, it does seem to offer color decoding adjustments in addition to full white balance control.

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I am all for saving 1,000 but if this unit is seriously 6 months away is it worth it?

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What I like:

- Video processing CPU can be upgraded
- HDMI 1.1 can be upgraded to HDMI 1.3
- very fair price
- no fan

What I don't like:

./.

What I'd like to know:

- is MPEG/BAR noise reduction limited to SD?
- which algorithms are used for MPEG/BAR (Gennum, Algolith, something else)?
- how big is the RadianceXG case?
- will the Realta based Radiance be better or worse?
- why a Realta *and* a Gennum VPX based Radiance?

Keep in mind that the cost of upgrading a DVD V50 to a V60 at some point may be less than replacing the main CPU on the Radiance! Being able to upgrade may not be the bargain it appears to be on first view.
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Modular upgrades = very impressive.

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My Onkyo TX-NR1000 made the same claim for a receiver. I fell
for all the propaganda about "future proofing" my home theater
as one would be able to get upgraded card modules and just
slide them in to replace existing one. Well after a couple of years
I finally got rid of the unit because Onkyo never released any
modules in the US-- just alot of promises as they focused
instead on releasing new receivers instead.
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Hmmmmm..... Guess Lumagen felt they needed to use the Gennum to release something cheaper so they can compete with DVDO. It's nice but confusing, what happened to the ultimate Realta processor at 6K??!!

OK... what's the trade in value for my old Lumegen HDP to get this puppy!


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My Onkyo TX-NR1000 made the same claim for a receiver. I fell
for all the propaganda about "future proofing" my home theater
as one would be able to get upgraded card modules and just
slide them in to replace existing one. Well after a couple of years
I finally got rid of the unit because Onkyo never released any
modules in the US-- just alot of promises as they focused
instead on releasing new receivers instead.

Um, this is not Onkyo, it's Lumagen. They have kept their promises till this point, no matter how lofty they were.
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I really like the upgradeable chips ability!

What can this unit do that the Crystalio 2 can't do already?

- it can be upgraded to the latest Gennum VXP chip
- it can be upgraded to HDMI 1.3
- it can do MPEG/BAR noise reduction
- it uses Lumagen scaling, which is said to be the best scaling algorithm on the market
- it is prepared for 16bit throughout the whole processing chain (HDMI 1.3 DeepColor)

I love the upgradeability!! Why? Because current Gennum VXP chips don't support Anime cadence detection yet. And because I believe Gennum is working on many new algorithms which may be worthwhile (e.g. reducing judder on 24fps camera pans). The RadianceXG will hopefully be able to make use of new features of newer Gennum chips, while the Crystalio II can only make use of new Gennum chips as long as the pin layout is compatible, which is unlikely to be the case with future Gennum chips, so I've been told. So PixelMagic will have to redesign their mainboard if they want to make use of newer Gennum chips.

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Keep in mind that the cost of upgrading a DVD V50 to a V60 at some point may be less than replacing the main CPU on the Radiance! Being able to upgrade may not be the bargain it appears to be on first view.

Well, we don't know that yet, of course. I've no idea what upgrading is going to cost on the Lumagen. But my impression is that Gennum is very agressive in its chip development and I expect many great things to come out in their new chips sooner or later. I'm not sure whether DVDO/ABT can keep the pace. Gennum is much bigger in terms of engineering capacity, I believe. But we'll have to wait and see.
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I had to read the opening paragraph twice to make sure it wasn't a joke!

Personally I think the Gennum chip has much better price/performance than the Realta, and I do love all the features and support Lumagen offer, but I would have liked to have seen the SRP in the range of $500-1000 less, especially considering the SDI inputs and DACs are optionally, and probably pricy extras. Once those have been factored in you're basically looking at or near the price of the Crystalio 2, something you don't need to wait until Q1 2007 for.
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Does the Radiance do color gamut mapping? (You measure the primaries of the display and the Radiance makes sure you see correct NTSC, PAL or HD color if one wishes to and it's possible).
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Could this be the chip Lumagen will be using?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=724013
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I wonder if this is another indication of how difficult it is for VP designers to get comprehensive Realta solutions to market. This may be a stopgap solution if it is indeed taking longer than expected for Lumagen to get the Realta-based products out. But I suppose the Reon could have been used instead to get a lower-end product to market sooner. I must admit that this announcement is a bit surprising & confusing.
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Could this be the chip Lumagen will be using?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=724013

I'd assume so. How it'll compare to the 9351 is still to be acertained.
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Could this be the chip Lumagen will be using?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=724013

I saw this chip today at CEDIA. They had the chip on a board under plexiglass. It was a working model board with DVI in/out connectors. No HDMI on the board itself and I did not see what the connection on the display was, so it could have been HDMI on that end. They were doing a comparison between with and without the processing and the differences were very noticeable, of course.
Interesting I had just visited Lumagen yesterday and had asked about the Radiance and got no indication that this announcement was close to being made. The folks at the booth only said and announcement would be made sometime in the future, but they did not say when.

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Thanks to Gordon (Elliots PC) for the first photos:



Taken from this thread:

http://www.avforums.com/forums/showp...6&postcount=31

The one with the LCD display is the top model, which will cost more. The one without the LCD display is the RadianceXG this thread is about.
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