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post #181 of 209 Old 11-30-2006, 09:04 PM
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I just connected my Wii with components to my Sammy 3241 LCD, and with the Wii set to 16:9 and 480p, I get scan-lines/aliasing galore. It goes away if I set the Wii to 480i.

Is this consistent with what you guys are experiencing? I'm hoping it's not my cables, which are third-party from Ebay. Also, my Pioneer DVD Player set to 480p looked very nice on the display, and the PS2 looked better as well using components. I really hope it's just the source, and not the displays handling of the signal.

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This may have been mentioned above - but do any VPs perform work on diagonals which are already full progressive frames?

I don't think so. I believe diagonal edge interpolation is just a de-interlacing technique, not a scaling process.

Hell of a thread though. I was hoping to put my Vantage upagainst a Gennum processor using an HD_DVD source and 1209S PJ.

unfortunately my wife found a mouse in teh kitchen cupboard and considered it to be an emergency I thought it could have waited until tomorrow!

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I just connected my Wii with components to my Sammy 3241 LCD, and with the Wii set to 16:9 and 480p, I get scan-lines/aliasing galore. It goes away if I set the Wii to 480i.

Is this consistent with what you guys are experiencing? I'm hoping it's not my cables, which are third-party from Ebay. Also, my Pioneer DVD Player set to 480p looked very nice on the display, and the PS2 looked better as well using components. I really hope it's just the source, and not the displays handling of the signal.

That's really odd. The 480p signal from the Wii ought to be easier for the Sammy to handle.

And Blue911, I use a Gamecube through s-video (through my vp50) at 480i and I also get pretty strong aliasing/jaggies*. They obviously antialiased the diagonals on the Zelda logo "manually" (although I'd be interested to know how that works as it's against a varying background colour as the boat moves behind it, maybe osme alpha channel thing??) whereas there's no AA on the 3d scene. It looks a LOT better, even on the low latency Game Mode, than going direct to the TV though. I've got a hastily soldered component cable somewhere, I'll see if I can dig it out and try 480p out but I'd expect it to be very similar albeit with tighter colour.

* I think it's down to the game too. Mario Kart is very smooth. I think Zelda's art style lends itself to bold, thick black outlines, hence the effect you're seeing. I wouldn't call the GC crude though, some fantastic looking games on that little machine.
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OK guys. Enough with this gaming stuff. Don't mind a little and I am not at all upset. Just let's move the discussion to another thread.

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Thanks. Agreed.
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Apologies.

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No apoligies needed. We are all here to help each other. My concern is that the gaming stuff you guys are posting will be lost later and won't be found by others that might need it. A seperate thread will draw the right people in and make it easier to find in the future..

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Tell us more about your VP comparisons. You were last comparing scaling capabilities. How about 1080i deinterlacing? Any differences between various VP's?
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Interesting thread. Seems like the upcoming Lumagen Radiance w. the VXP processor for $3500 is going to perform well if it does what it claims here:

http://www.gennum.com/ip/pdffiles/vxp_brochure.pdf
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Will see the Lumagen Radiance in 2008

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Will see the Lumagen Radiance in 2008

Is this really the level of intelligence, and helpfulness, you want to be known for on this site?

BTW: We will be showing an Alpha level RadianceXD at CES booth South 21666. We plan first Beta ship at the end of January for a small number of units and more at the end of February. Certainly, as you so kindly point out, these dates could slip a bit.

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I am sure the results will be worth waiting for.

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Jim,

Any particular reason not to support SDI-HD-SDI in the Radiance? Will that be possible as an add on?

Just curious,
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As I understand it, there will be an external SDI to HDMI plug in ala Algolith but with the ability to pass blacker than black. From what I nderstand, HD SDI will not be an option. Having the ability to input SDI through one of the HDMI inputs will protect the many of us all of us who have SDI out modified DVD players. These players usually don't have HDMI outs. There is little consumer stuff out there which has been modified to output HD-SDI.

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Any particular reason not to support SDI-HD-SDI in the Radiance? Will that be possible as an add on?

We plan a SD-SDI to HDMI converter external module.

We don't think we will do a HD-SDI to HDMI converter, but there are some out there that should be able to be used.

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[quote=jrp]Is this really the level of intelligence, and helpfulness, you want to be known for on this site?

Intelligence thank you for letting me read yours

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I see...and no loss from that conversion SD-HDI to HDMI?
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Is this really the level of intelligence, and helpfulness, you want to be known for on this site?

Intelligence thank you for letting me read yours

Jim-- please ignore the NOISE in this newsgroup (e.g. MADDOG). We all appreciate the insight into your forthcoming products and with any alpha/beta product its impossible to fix a firm release date. The fact that you are offering to members of this forum the opportunity to purchase one immediately and sign an NDA to be a beta tester is an outstanding opportunity. If I hadn't just purchased the CII, I would have taken you up on that offer.
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OK. Back to the subject of the thread.

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Not yet. Christmas is a very busy time for a retailer like me. aAso my wife is away for a few days. Thus, the care of the large dog, the cat, the McCaw,and the fish are up to me. The big dog really doesn't like being in the HT. Also over the next 16 days, there will be 10 days and/or nights of NFL games. Most games are broadcast in 720p and all I will be using is the Lumagen because of its superior scaling. I will get to some 1080i deinterlacing testing soon.

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I see...and no loss from that conversion SD-HDI to HDMI?

An HD-SDI (or SD-SDI) can, if done correctly, convert to HDMI 4:2:2 (any rev of HDMI has this), without loss. The SDI is 10-bit 4:2:2 and the HDMI 4:2:2 is 12-bits.

Since we are not planning the HD-SDI to HDMI version you would need to check with the appropriate vendor.

For SD-SDI, our convertor will be bit accurate in the conversion to HDMI 4:2:2. If the output goes to a DVI device, it would revert to 8 bit RGB, and so would not be bit-accurate. It would still translate very well of course.

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Mark,
Based on your tests to far, which product will do the best job on dvd movies? (non HD and Non Blue Ray, just the plain ole SD stuff)
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Thank You Jim for the information.

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An HD-SDI (or SD-SDI) can, if done correctly, convert to HDMI 4:2:2 (any rev of HDMI has this), without loss. The SDI is 10-bit 4:2:2 and the HDMI 4:2:2 is 12-bits.

Since we are not planning the HD-SDI to HDMI version you would need to check with the appropriate vendor.

For SD-SDI, our convertor will be bit accurate in the conversion to HDMI 4:2:2. If the output goes to a DVI device, it would revert to 8 bit RGB, and so would not be bit-accurate. It would still translate very well of course.

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On film DVD, I prefer the Lumagen because of its clean, non ringing scaling. Everything I have seen deinterlacers SD film very well. The dinterlacing improvements of the new stuff are mostly with respect to video. With 1080p 24fps displays, HD film will go straight in. 480i and 1080i video are where the deinterlacing improvements lie for the most part. Mosquito noise reduction, other noise reduction, detail enhancement, these are features ofthe new stuff over the old.

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Thanks Mark,
Is there a link where I could get explainations of the terminology you use, such as Mosquto noise etc etc?
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Hi,
I am considering buying an external scaler and would like some advise.

First of all, is this the right thread to post in?

My primary use would be to make SD DVDs look as good as possible, but I will also have VHS and SD satellite input, and maybe HDDVD. My display is a panasonic plasma 50ph9uk (768 line native).

I have been considering the LumagenHDP so far, or perhaps one of the DVDOs.

I will probably use an oppo 970 dvd player as the source since it offers 480i over HDMI, but I have also been trying out a Toshiba A2.

The A2 does a pretty good up conversion of SD as it is, but I am wondering if the 970/Lumagen VisionHDP would be even better? The A2 has bad jaggies, but I hear the HDP is no better in this regard. I do like all the control the HDP offers. Is there anything worth buying for around 1000 bucks?

Thanks for any info.

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Rich: You shouldn't see "bad jaggies" on DVD through a Lumagen, unless all you watch is music video's...and even then I don't think they would be that bad. If you watch primarily film source dvd then it's going to be great.

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Rich: You shouldn't see "bad jaggies" on DVD through a Lumagen, unless all you watch is music video's...and even then I don't think they would be that bad. If you watch primarily film source dvd then it's going to be great.

Gordon

THanks Gordon. Now I understand. The "jaggies" tests on HQV must be recorded from video so there is motion between fields.

What about the video delay? I hear the Lumagen HDP will introduce about 50ms delay. WHy don't they include an audio path through these units as well (as I see Genfen is doing)? THen we could use only one single switch for both A&V and delay the audio to match the video in one neat unit.

My receiver (sony ddw900) has only one delay option, 68ms.

WHat have you heard about the soon-to-be-released Genfen's? THey seem to promise an awful lot for the price.

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