Originally Posted by beever
Gary you wrote: SDI has been demo'd to death over the years and reviewed by videophiles forever, my word means nothing on it because it was done far before me, SDI is far from unproven at this point in time, much the opposite.
Agreed but, it has not been compared to a raw 480i HDMI digital signal because those are relatively new. Sure, when compared to upscaled crap or component analog signals a pure digital signal will be far superior. the question is how the digital SDI at 480i compares the the also digital 480i HDMI signal when both go to an external scaler.
I will repeat that the vast majority of users do not have 65" and larger setups and if improvements cannot be seen on 65" then you will be hard pressed to convince too many people to jump on the SDI bandwagon. I wish I had a FP setup today, I used to and it was great and I will again shortly but, for right now thats what I have and what i will use for the shootout.
I dont need a demo, I will glaldly pay your full price for the powerbuy unit if thats the way it goes but, I want to be certain I can return it for a 100% refund if it isnt clearly superior.
Again, I do not believe that there will be any discernable difference between 2 nearly identical digital signals going through an external scaler but, I am 100% open to the possibility it is possible. I am also one of those people who can see very little difference if any in the screenshots you posted apart from the green test hue image. It just seems to me that you are coming up with reason after reason for not supplying a unit for review so, I will once again lay out all the money and provide the equipment and open my home to anyone interested in seeing for themselves so no one can claim I have any bias one way or the other.
Everyone that has PM'ed me has been given an open invitiation and I dont know a single one of them personally. There is an excellent possibility that I may see something they cannot or do not and they may see details that I cannot.
In the end I am confident that the group will be unanimous on whether the image is better the same or worse using SDI over HDMI.
I don't need to force or ask anyone to jump on the SDI bandwagon Beev, the bus is already overflowing
I must ask did I not just do such a comparison, I guess it is invalid because I happen to move a few SDI DVD players
Beev there have been many comparisons of such, first of all the 480i HDMI image from Oppo is not raw, this is being spread around too much on AVS, it is simply not the truth
if it were raw it would not have HDCP, nor would it be in the 4:4:4 colorspace, SDI is RAW, has no HDCP and is native 4:2:2 colorspace
you shouldn't be expecting to see any difference at all between the screenshots, that is 100% the way it should be, screenshots cannot show differences, I simply posted them for completion sake of the review
the reason I mention large setups and videophiles is that if someone thinks the difference between the 981 via SDI and the 970 via HDMI is like comparing Laserdisc to DVD, then they will be sadly disappointed, badly
for those that are discerning videophiles and nit pick every area of the image with eagle eyes then the upgrade is well worth it
if the item is purchased on powerbuy I cannot refund because it is a custom order, if I decide to supply the demo then it will be for free and in good will, it really takes a large FP system to show the obvious differences between SDI and HDMI, this has been mentioned in many SDI comparisons, as with any picture quality increase, the bigger the screen the more the difference, try comparing HD vs upconverted DVD on a 40" TV vs a 120" screen, the difference is starling
but to say they are both raw in nature and should be equal in performance based on that alone is incorrect