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post #61 of 5947 Old 08-14-2007, 07:20 AM - Thread Starter
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Another quick question. I just want to verify that the NR and enhancement features can be used with all input resolutions that the VP50pro accepts? So at least up to 1080P60 and every resolution below?

The Mosquito NR, Fine Detail Enhancement and Edge Enhancement work for all processed input signals. For example, all of the processed resolutions on the HDMI input (480i/p, 576i/p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p, VGA-SXGA@60Hz) can be processed by these new algorithms.

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Yes, the VP50PRO can put proper audio delay on high bit-rate audio formats like Dolby TrueHD and DTS Master Audio and output that signal over the HDMI 1.3 output.

So then the chain needs to be passed through the audio processor, and hope that it passes the video through untouched and with the same time sync, I assume. Or else spend additional money on a splitter, correct?

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I didn't get a response, so I will ask again.

Will the Pro give me a better picture then the VP 50? Josh stated that the pro uses the same scaling and deinterlacing as the VP 50, so probably not?

Presumably, on less-than-perfect SD sources that would benefit from noise reduction and detail enhancement the answer would be "yes". On high-quality HD sources the answer would probably be "no".

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what about the upgrade price and all the upset people ?

any news and change mind from dvdo or still silence ?
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I think a $1000 plus your old VP50 is a great deal for a pro and the church, AVS, gets something too. Plus you get something nice for free according to Jason. All in all a great deal. DVDO is probably just recouping its actual hardware costs at this price level and you can't expect any better deal than that. If you sell your VP50 privately, you might be able to do slightly better, but probably not worth the effort.

The only thing I find disappointing is that the scaling is the same, or am I wrong here?


Josh. Congratulations on bringing out a very nice product and allowing a very fair upgrade program.
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I think a $1000 plus your old VP50 is a great deal for a pro and the church, AVS, gets something too. Plus you get something nice for free according to Jason. All in all a great deal. DVDO is probably just recouping its actual hardware costs at this price level and you can't expect any better deal than that. If you sell your VP50 privately, you might be able to do slightly better, but probably not worth the effort.

The only thing I find disappointing is that the scaling is the same, or am I wrong here?


Josh. Congratulations on bringing out a very nice product and allowing a very fair upgrade program.

ist not 1000 $ it is 1500 USD plus 250 for international !

thats 1750 USD + old back !!!!!! 1000 USD i would be happy and do that
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and what is with the SDI module ? can we scap it or is there a trade in with that one ?
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Josh@DVDO,

Any discount incentive for loyal UK\\European VP50 owners as the $500 discount for upgrade seems to be aimed squarely at the US only (as noted by AV Science)

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I think a $1000 plus your old VP50 is a great deal for a pro and the church, AVS, gets something too. Plus you get something nice for free according to Jason. All in all a great deal. DVDO is probably just recouping its actual hardware costs at this price level and you can't expect any better deal than that. If you sell your VP50 privately, you might be able to do slightly better, but probably not worth the effort.

The only thing I find disappointing is that the scaling is the same, or am I wrong here?


Josh. Congratulations on bringing out a very nice product and allowing a very fair upgrade program.

I doubt AVS is getting anything from the people that are upgrading. And by reading the post from Jason, I don't think your going to get anything for free unless you actually order VP50pro for $2999. It looks like the $500 discount that AVS is able to provide is good for the people buying a new processor or upgrading.

I agree that DVDO is probably just recouping their costs, however some are still waiting for a fully working VP50. I would be perfectly happy with my VP50 if it fixed the 1080p24 issues, fixed some of the audio issues, added pass-thru support, and also allowed you to remove the cadence detetection delays on progressive inputs so it will work better with games on my PS3.

Its extremly hard to justify spending more money to have no garentee any of these issues will be addressed. Josh said that the 24p issue would be addressed, but it would be after the VP50pro was release. So if i want to wait for my VP50 to work before deciding to upgrade the the VP50 its going to cost an additional $500.

Now if the VP50pro upgrade was only $500, jumping blindly into the unknown VP50pro might make sense as you are expected to have more features then the VP50, however what bugs will the VP50pro have. Now for $1000-$1500 (more if you are overseas), what if it has some of the same issues the VP50 has? How happy will you be then?
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If you go through AVS, using their coupon code, you get another $500 off, making the delta $1000 US. And if you are international, then have a US friend do the trade in for you. Real devious. Your friend orders it for you and its shipped to him. Then you send the one you have directly back to DVDO. Of course your friend would have to ship it to you from his/her US address.

And who knows what the free gift is? Maybe the SDI-HDSDI module? I dunno.

Figuring the $1000 price is not brain science. If you don't get it now, you will never get it. Did you ever figure out how to record one program on VHS while watching another?
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Mike. What other case is there? Buying a new processor or upgrading. That's the entire set I would think. $500 extra off in either case for US customers and there is a sneaky way around not being a US customer too.
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ok and what is with out old SDI Module ? did you know something about that ?
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On previous early-bird upgrades the discount offered has been applicable across all continents not just the US.

Shipping to someone in the US is fine, if you know someone there.
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What is Panamorph?

in order to achieve a proper 2.35:1 ar on a pj s screen, the 2.35:1 widescreen image must first be vertically expanded by a video processor , outboard or in pj, to fit the 16x9 light engine chipset, then when output from the pj, an anamorphic lense must be used to horizontally expand the light beam thereby eliminating any black bars above or below the image. such lenses are made a company named 'PANAMORPH' and other companies.
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Mike. What other case is there? Buying a new processor or upgrading. That's the entire set I would think. $500 etra off in either case for US customers and there is a sneaky way around no being a US customer too..

I'm confusued by your message.

We have 2 options (in the US)
1. Pre-buy from AVS a VP50pro for $500 off the msrp plus get free unknown gift.
2. Get upgrade coupon from AVS and order upgrade from Anchor Bay for $1000 and return the VP50.

If the VP50 didn't have any issues I think I would probably justify the $1000 upgrade for the new features of the VP50pro. However right now I would probably be upgrading in hope that they fix the bugs I have with the VP50. I just cant see paying for a bug fix. I just hope they fix the issues with the VP50.
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unknown free gift :-) great it may be a coupon for the "VP50 PRo NG" wich has then the promissed hd-sdi or something else what was promissed earlier.

as i understand the VP50 PRo has no SDI and NO SDI card is currently avaible and also no information regarding the upgrade of the SDI card.
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I made my own VP50 Pro - I bought a VP50 via the AVS pre-order when they first came out thinking I was getting Mosquito Noise Reduction, etc. When I didn't (and yes I'm still pissed...) I added an Algolith Flea.

So for me VP50 + Flea = Pro

Me too...........
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Guys relax. DVDO is working on all the details of trades, sdi etc. Give them a chance to figure out what they will do and then they will post the details.

Just enjoy HD in whatever form you can (Sat, Cable, D-VHS, OTA, HD DVD, or BD).
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Presumably, on less-than-perfect SD sources that would benefit from noise reduction and detail enhancement the answer would be "yes". On high-quality HD sources the answer would probably be "no".

Some of the new features are nice to have, but if it's not going to be an improvement on the HD side, I don't see the reason to upgrade.

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On previous early-bird upgrades the discount offered has been applicable across all continents not just the US.

Shipping to someone in the US is fine, if you know someone there.

...and if you have someone in the US willing to forward it on, as soon as it hits the UK we've around an extra 25% to pay on the full amount to cover Import Duty, VAT and Customs admin fees.
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Presumably, on less-than-perfect SD sources that would benefit from noise reduction and detail enhancement the answer would be "yes". On high-quality HD sources the answer would probably be "no".

not the case at all Tom

the VP50pro NR, Detail and Edge enhancement controls are a thing of beauty

let me explain, as a user of a CRT projector I am always looking for just that small extra pinch of sharpness, but 100% natural at the same time, on the other hand I hate edge ehancement and ringing , which is the offset of adding a pinch of sharpness, so basically you can't add any details/sharpness without pissing me off

not the case anymore with the VP50pro, with these 2 amazing controls, you can add a pinch of sharpness via Detail enhancement and then take the Edge ehancement control into the negative to get rid of the ringing , the result is a smooth filmlike image with just a pinch of extra detail, it is literally amazing to say the least and this is with any source and I mean any

with the NR, Detail and Edge controls and their positive and negative range on the later two, you can work wonders with any source and that source's material, these controls are not childs play, they are the real deal

the pro is an amazing upgrade over the 50 with all source material, if not why would DVDO bother?

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not the case at all Tom

the VP50pro NR, Detail and Edge enhancement controls are a thing of beauty

let me explain, as a user of a CRT projector I am always looking for just that small extra pinch of sharpness, but 100% natural at the same time, on the other hand I hate edge ehancement and ringing , which is the offset of adding a pinch of sharpness, so basically you can't add any details/sharpness without pissing me off

not the case anymore with the VP50pro, with these 2 amazing controls, you can add a pinch of sharpness via Detail enhancement and then take the Edge ehancement control into the negative to get rid of the ringing , the result is a smooth filmlike image with just a pinch of extra detail, it is literally amazing to say the least and this is with any source and I mean any

with the NR, Detail and Edge controls and their positive and negative range on the later two, you can work wonders with any source and that source's material, these controls are not childs play, they are the real deal

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sounds nice.....any chance your NDA would let you post pictures?
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not the case at all Tom

the VP50pro NR, Detail and Edge enhancement controls are a thing of beauty

let me explain, as a user of a CRT projector I am always looking for just that small extra pinch of sharpness, but 100% natural at the same time, on the other hand I hate edge ehancement and ringing , which is the offset of adding a pinch of sharpness, so basically you can't add any details/sharpness without pissing me off

not the case anymore with the VP50pro, with these 2 amazing controls, you can add a pinch of sharpness via Detail enhancement and then take the Edge ehancement control into the negative to get rid of the ringing , the result is a smooth filmlike image with just a pinch of extra detail, it is literally amazing to say the least and this is with any source and I mean any

with the NR, Detail and Edge controls and their positive and negative range on the later two, you can work wonders with any source and that source's material, these controls are not childs play, they are the real deal

the pro is an amazing upgrade over the 50 with all source material, if not why would DVDO bother?

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So Gary, you can actually get rid of EE that is inherent in the source or the display?
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sounds nice.....any chance your NDA would let you post pictures?

you mean some screenshots nothing wrong with that

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if i understand correctly, hdmi 1.3 will carry extra color bits for an expanded color space.

1) are these bits applicable only to HD or to SD as well?
2) is the new SD/HD SDI card in the vp50pro capable of carrying these extra color bits?

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Guys,

We are working with DVDO on US pre-orders and US trade-ins only. That was a decision from DVDO, not from AV Science. DVDO has their own mechanism for dealing with international trade-ins and orders.

Also, the $400 coupon is for pre-orders, once you pre-orer with us, you'll receive your gift. It's worth it! The $500 trade in extra credit is from AV Science and is for trade-ins. in order to get the $500 extra trade-in credit, you must call us.

Hope that helps clear up some confusion!

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Guys,

We are working with DVDO on US pre-orders and US trade-ins only. That was a decision from DVDO, not from AV Science. DVDO has their own mechanism for dealing with international trade-ins and orders.

Also, the $400 coupon is for pre-orders, once you pre-orer with us, you'll have $400 to use on another purchase from AV Science. The $500 trade in extra credit is from AV Science and is for trade-ins. in order to get the $500 extra trade-in credit, you must call us.

Hope that helps clear up some confusion!

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So for trade ins its MSRP of $3499 minus our VP50 trade credit from DVDO. And we get $500 from AV Science. SO it's $1499 to trade in to DVDO. BUT we get a $500 credit from AV Science?

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I just want to know, how much will it cost me, out of pocket, to trade in in VP50 w/SDI for a VP50Pro w/SDI, and who do I contact to get the best price?
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Okay,

Example #1.

You own for the sake of argument, a VP50. With or without SD modules as an upgrade.

You want to trade it in to Anchor Bay for a new VP50 Pro at $3499.

You get: $2000 trade-in credit from them.

AND

$500 additional trade in credit from AV Science IF you call us first. (Marc or me). That's it. Plain and simple.

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Example #2. You have no scaler and want to buy the VP50Pro. You can pre-order it from us for $2999 and you get a free gift (the gift rocks, trust me).

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