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post #1051 of 1175 Old 08-26-2014, 08:23 AM
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I'm taking notes while on vacation, thats why i havent tryed out your suggestions yet. So as you adding each ConnectAmp, you name them as you go too.

I think for now it will be a Pandora music system, and XM.

I may want to connect one ConnectAmp on each floor to the internet, remember there are three floors and i prewired Cat5 to each floor, why waste that prewire. Will this plan change the setup sequence at all.....

How well do the ConnectAmps handle a 4ohm load. I have 4 inwalls for that zone as they are all in the garage, each pair will be paralleled for 4ohms.....
Sure, hard wire them all to your network. That is the most reliable connection. (Small caveat that some routers won't like this. There is a list on the Sonos web site about which don't like it. It's a relatively small number but of course if yours is one, that's something to pay attention to.)

My UNDERSTANDING but I have not direct experience is that a CONNET:AMP can power a 4ohm per channel load.

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Your installer can answer that better than me. He or she should already have asked you if that is what you want.

But for sure I can answer the other question: if you are running four passive speakers across two rooms off a single connect:amp, the volume will rise and fall in unison.
Another possible option might be to use impedence-matching volume controls between the CONNECT:AMP and the speakers. I believe that would give you independent volume control of the rooms.

Disclaimer: I have no experience with this, but there are similar discussions on the Sonos Forums.

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Unless you already have the 4 sets of speakers, you could also consider using some of the Sonos powered speakers in one or more zones (Play1, 3, or 5) and then you don't have to worry about wiring anything!

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richardorser - 'sub-zones' are OK but I've found folk tend to end up regretting going down that route once they experience the flexibility of individual Zones in a system. How large are the rooms and have you considered using PLAY:5, 3 or 1 rather than any 'installed' speakers in the sub zones?


If you go down the 'Installed' route are you OK with the 'Sub' Zones always being on and volume matched to the 'main' zone - if not how/where will you want to control the Vol. in the Sub zone?


kgveteran - whilst Sonos can be relatively simple to deploy once you have a large property with presumably lots of other wired/wireless devices on a shared network you want to know what you are doing with your Network settings as you can run into problems. I'd be tempted to suggest you find a local Ci with good Networking and Sonos experience to come in and give you a hand!


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OMG....... I just want to know what is the next step. I prewired the whole thing ! I hooked up 10 connect amps to 10 sets of inwall speakers. The ethernet connection is ready, the whole thing is ready to be plugged in......

I want to be sure i begin correctly.... Sometimes there are better ways to begin a network audio system this big.

I think i need someone who has a system intact that can give me advice on the best way to begin connecting to a network....

Cant be any more straight forward than that Lol.......
Nice attitude for someone asking for help.

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It never sounds good in print, sorry. I meant no harm.........
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It never sounds good in print, sorry. I meant no harm.........
No harm bud Just work your way through the program on your PC, get all that going, then start connecting the sonos units one by one. Their mesh network is pretty seamless and works fantastically with no drops for me so far, so you shouldn't have problems there. At least one hard-wired to your network gets you started, the rest is a cake walk

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Worked out quite well..... Thanx for the help.

Are the old sonos units compatable with new software
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Worked out quite well..... Thanx for the help.

Are the old sonos units compatable with new software
Yup. All my units are older zone players at least 5 years old, and I have no issues with using the software updates. Sonos is very good with that thus far.
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I currently have a Niles ZR4630 and am about to upgrade to the newer (and yet discontinued) ZR6. Besides the wall mounted keypads Niles only has a handheld remote for convenience-controlling the zones. I want to keep the Niles system and all my pre-wired speakers and keypads but was thinking on adding a ZP90 as a dedicated audio source to stream Spotify, Pandora and Sirius as well as my local iTunes library. Since it has support for the app and WiFi controls I would have the best of both worlds with Sonos access from any of the wired zones.


Sonos seems like a great product in its simplicity and though I would not be taking advantage of its wireless speakers it seems like it would be an ideal solution for me. Before I pull the trigger for the purchase, is there anything else I should consider?


I appreciate any advice or commentary you Sonos owners can provide.


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I currently have a Niles ZR4630 and am about to upgrade to the newer (and yet discontinued) ZR6. Besides the wall mounted keypads Niles only has a handheld remote for convenience-controlling the zones. I want to keep the Niles system and all my pre-wired speakers and keypads but was thinking on adding a ZP90 as a dedicated audio source to stream Spotify, Pandora and Sirius as well as my local iTunes library. Since it has support for the app and WiFi controls I would have the best of both worlds with Sonos access from any of the wired zones.


Sonos seems like a great product in its simplicity and though I would not be taking advantage of its wireless speakers it seems like it would be an ideal solution for me. Before I pull the trigger for the purchase, is there anything else I should consider?


I appreciate any advice or commentary you Sonos owners can provide.


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Don't see any issues. Optical or analog out from ZP90 into amp works great (I use in a 3 places at hone). Obviously, one ZP90 gives you one concurrent source. So if you wanted to listen to Pandora in Room 1 and Spotify in room 2, you'd need 2xZP90's and users would have to know which ZP90 is which input to amp.
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Hi! I'll have to read through this thread as I just built a new house and am interested in Sonos for different zone audio.
I'll have many questions as I build my system (8 or 9 zones eventually.)

But my first question is this: I bought a Marantz 7007 a/v receiver that I will use to power my great room ( have surround speakers and it's where I'll watch most of my movies). And everywhere in the house will have in ceiling speakers. So I'll use the 7007 to power these 5 speakers and get a Connect for this room.
Now my question is: since the 7007 can do 3 zones, can I add 2 more zones of in ceiling speakers to it and then get 2 more Connects to control 3 zones of speakers powered by the 7007? And still have all the individual zone control of Sonos being able to listen to different things in each zone?

And would this setup work just as well as using a Connect Amp for these other 2 zones?

Thanks!

And one more quick question. When I start adding Connect Amps to other zones, can I keep all the Amps in the basement with my A/V rack or would it be better to have the Amps in each room with the corresponding speakers or does it not matter?
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Hold on about the last question...I forgot all the speaker wire is already run to my a/v rack in the basement so I hope the Connect Amps can be located in the basement?
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Hold on about the last question...I forgot all the speaker wire is already run to my a/v rack in the basement so I hope the Connect Amps can be located in the basement?
It is perfectly acceptable to locate all of your Connect:Amps in one central location. As long as you used a minimum of CL2 in-wall rated speaker wire of the appropriate gauge, based on length of wire run, you should be good to go. 14 ga. should be sufficient for anything under 100'. For runs of 100' or more, I would recommend 12 ga.
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Hi! I'll have to read through this thread as I just built a new house and am interested in Sonos for different zone audio.
I'll have many questions as I build my system (8 or 9 zones eventually.)

But my first question is this: I bought a Marantz 7007 a/v receiver that I will use to power my great room ( have surround speakers and it's where I'll watch most of my movies). And everywhere in the house will have in ceiling speakers. So I'll use the 7007 to power these 5 speakers and get a Connect for this room.
Now my question is: since the 7007 can do 3 zones, can I add 2 more zones of in ceiling speakers to it and then get 2 more Connects to control 3 zones of speakers powered by the 7007? And still have all the individual zone control of Sonos being able to listen to different things in each zone?

And would this setup work just as well as using a Connect Amp for these other 2 zones?

Thanks!

And one more quick question. When I start adding Connect Amps to other zones, can I keep all the Amps in the basement with my A/V rack or would it be better to have the Amps in each room with the corresponding speakers or does it not matter?

You could use Connects for other zones through the Marantz, but Connect Amps would give you way better ease of use. Yes all of your Connect Amps can be in the basement but you might have to deploy a Sonos Bridge or two to other spots in the house if using wireless depending on any coverage issues. If the Connect Amps are wired then disregard the comments about the Sonos Bridge.

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I got my Sonos Connect on Friday and WOW....how great is that product??? Easy setup, upgraded to newest firmware, added my music services and network folder location and I was up and running in minutes. I see what you guys are talking about on the Sonos products. Ease of setup and configuration and on top of all that...it just works! Of course I am only using the Connect as a 3rd audio source on my ZR6 system but there is a lot to love already about this product.


Now if I can just get my ZR6 to recognize that my iPod is connected to it......
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I got my Sonos Connect on Friday and WOW....how great is that product??? Easy setup, upgraded to newest firmware, added my music services and network folder location and I was up and running in minutes. I see what you guys are talking about on the Sonos products. Ease of setup and configuration and on top of all that...it just works! Of course I am only using the Connect as a 3rd audio source on my ZR6 system but there is a lot to love already about this product.


Now if I can just get my ZR6 to recognize that my iPod is connected to it......
Welcome to the club. Start adding some stand alone speakers like the Play1 around the house and you'll be hooked -- line and sinker.
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Has anyone tried the new Deezer Elite service through Sonos? They advertise CD-quality FLAC streaming vs. the 320kbps that Spotify has. Wondering if anyone has given it a spin to see what their library is like, etc.
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Just signed up. Looks like about 20 million lossless tracks. Doesn't mean they will have everything I want to hear, but that't not bad.

FYI, $15 a month for the first year, if you pay monthly.

Free month to start.

If you pay annually, it's even cheaper.

(After year 1 it says it will be $20 a month, for the monthly service.)

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That's a little steep for me... I like the concept, and would likely pay a monthly subscription, but not $20/mo. If they had all the tracks I could imagine, then perhaps...

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$20 a month is their worst price. Pay by the year or two years, the price goes down. And all prices are discounted for the first year.

So I went from paying $10 a month for lossy streaming to $15 a month for lossless. No brainer in my household.

For the cost of one CD a month, I get access to 99% of all the CDs I could ever think to want -- and many I didn't know I wanted to listen to until I discovered them.

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$20 a month is their worst price. Pay by the year or two years, the price goes down. And all prices are discounted for the first year.

So I went from paying $10 a month for lossy streaming to $15 a month for lossless. No brainer in my household.

For the cost of one CD a month, I get access to 99% of all the CDs I could ever think to want -- and many I didn't know I wanted to listen to until I discovered them.
In most cases, you can buy 2 CD's for $15 on Amazon. But, the subscription price is still a bargain if you tend to listen to a large number of different songs over the course of a year and don't already own most of what you would listen to. That's the key. At $15 a month, you looking at $180 a year. If, instead, you were to spend that same $180 purchasing music at 99 cents per song, you could afford 181 songs. So, as long as you listen to more than 181 songs that you don't already own per year, you are getting your money's worth for the year. And, as long as you listen to at least 181 different songs the following year (or at least 362 different songs over the course of 2 years), you are getting your money's worth the second year too. Do you think that you will listen to at least 1,818 different songs (that you do not already own) over the course of the next 10 years?
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Looking at my scrobbling, I listen to enough I'd likely hit that in one year.

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Looking at my scrobbling, I listen to enough I'd likely hit that in one year.
I think most people, especially younger people who don't already own a ton of music, could get their money's worth from a good subscription service. The trick is figuring out which service would give you the best experience, based on your wants/needs. Things to consider...

1) Does it have all/most of the music you would want to listen to?
2) Does it meet your needs for quality? For some, 128 kbps is good enough. For others, it's 320 kbps. Some demand lossless CD (16 bit/44.1 khz) quality. And others want hi res.
3) Can the service be used to listen to music in all of the ways/places where you would want to listen to music? Can you listen to it on your home stereo/MCH setup? Can you listen to it with a mobile device? Can you listen to it on your car stereo? Can you listen to it both with and without an internet connection?
4) Is the app/interface used to access the music stable or does it have a habit of locking up or crashing?
5) How user friendly/useful are the app/interface's features?
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Hello everyone,

I need some help, please. Just got a Sonos connect and hooked it up yesterday. Hooked it up to my Sony 7.2 receiver. I have several rooms with in-ceiling speakers that I need to hook up, but only hooked up the family room to do the testing.

I was able to play songs off of the radio function using the Sonos app for iPhone. I wasn't able to add my desktop as a server because I didn't know that the path was to add it (didn't have time, will delve into that when I have more time tonight). One question about adding my desktop as a server....will Sonos access it using the hardwired ethernet cable or over wireless? I have my entire house hardwired, using a cable modem into a wireless router into a gigabit switch. The Sonos is hooked into my wireless router using the ethernet cable.

Another question is regarding hooking up the remainder of my in-ceiling speakers. In looking at the back of the receiver, it has the speaker connections (black/red) for a 7.2 system (center, front, surrounds, rear surrounds, sub). How am I supposed to hook up my 2-channel speakers for every room? I have a total of 5 rooms that I need to hook up. Will I need a seperate amp? For the initial test, I just hooked up the family room speakers to the "front" connection of the receiver. How should I hook up the rest? I'm perplexed.

Any help would be much appreciated.

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Hello everyone,

I need some help, please. Just got a Sonos connect and hooked it up yesterday. Hooked it up to my Sony 7.2 receiver. I have several rooms with in-ceiling speakers that I need to hook up, but only hooked up the family room to do the testing.

I was able to play songs off of the radio function using the Sonos app for iPhone. I wasn't able to add my desktop as a server because I didn't know that the path was to add it (didn't have time, will delve into that when I have more time tonight). One question about adding my desktop as a server....will Sonos access it using the hardwired ethernet cable or over wireless? I have my entire house hardwired, using a cable modem into a wireless router into a gigabit switch. The Sonos is hooked into my wireless router using the ethernet cable.

Another question is regarding hooking up the remainder of my in-ceiling speakers. In looking at the back of the receiver, it has the speaker connections (black/red) for a 7.2 system (center, front, surrounds, rear surrounds, sub). How am I supposed to hook up my 2-channel speakers for every room? I have a total of 5 rooms that I need to hook up. Will I need a seperate amp? For the initial test, I just hooked up the family room speakers to the "front" connection of the receiver. How should I hook up the rest? I'm perplexed.

Any help would be much appreciated.

Thanks in advance.
If you want to play the same music in every room at the same time at the same volume, a single sonos, and then amps corresponding to each room, will be adequate. This assumes all the wiring coalesces at one point, and that is where your sonos and amps are. Your reciever is unlikely to be able to amplify more than two rooms.

But that is less a question about Sonos and more about distributed audio with other products.

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Regarding wiring: the sonos will use the wired network when a path exists, and it is a good idea to have a hard wired path to computer with music on it.
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If you want to play the same music in every room at the same time at the same volume, a single sonos, and then amps corresponding to each room, will be adequate. This assumes all the wiring coalesces at one point, and that is where your sonos and amps are. Your reciever is unlikely to be able to amplify more than two rooms.

But that is less a question about Sonos and more about distributed audio with other products.

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Regarding wiring: the sonos will use the wired network when a path exists, and it is a good idea to have a hard wired path to computer with music on it.
Thank you, Nathan.

So, in regards to the amp issue, do I need separate Sonos Amps for each room? Or one separate AV amp that has multiple speaker connections (if such a thing exists)? I know that this is more of a distributed audio question, but perhaps someone can answer.

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You could check if your av amp has a dsp mode like "All Stereo" this will play a stereo source to all speakers, so you should be able to hook up the in ceiling speakers in pairs in each room and you'll get the same music in all rooms at the same time. Thing is you won't be able to control the music going to individual rooms except the room connected to front left and right by going from all stereo to stereo mode.
Some av amps have a powered zone 2 function, so if you have that then you could assign the surround back to zone 2 and get individual control of an extra room.

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Thank you, Nathan.

So, in regards to the amp issue, do I need separate Sonos Amps for each room? Or one separate AV amp that has multiple speaker connections (if such a thing exists)? I know that this is more of a distributed audio question, but perhaps someone can answer.
Apgood is right, below, as long as you don't want to have surround sound in your main room -- i.e., you would ALWAYS be using your receiver to play music in all your rooms.

If you want to play the same music in all rooms at the same time, something like the third of the three options on this page is what you want to do. Read this page closely, it completely covers what you are interested in.

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-cCNCefR...oom_power.html

The first two options won't cover the number of speakers you have.

You'd need to buy and install something like:

http://www.crutchfield.com/p_866VTL8...ed.html?tp=180

or buy a couple of these:

http://www.parasound.com/ParasoundZ/zquattro.php

or just get a SONOS CONNET:AMP for each room (which would have the added benefit of letting you select different sources in each room

or, and honestly this is what I would do, forget about the existing speakers, and spend $200 per room to put a PLAY1 in each room. It'll be about as cheap as any of the options here, with the added benefit of being super easy, and very flexible (you can play different sources in different rooms, you can move them around to suit your needs, etc).

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You could check if your av amp has a dsp mode like "All Stereo" this will play a stereo source to all speakers, so you should be able to hook up the in ceiling speakers in pairs in each room and you'll get the same music in all rooms at the same time. Thing is you won't be able to control the music going to individual rooms except the room connected to front left and right by going from all stereo to stereo mode.
Some av amps have a powered zone 2 function, so if you have that then you could assign the surround back to zone 2 and get individual control of an extra room.

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$20 a month is their worst price. Pay by the year or two years, the price goes down. And all prices are discounted for the first year.

So I went from paying $10 a month for lossy streaming to $15 a month for lossless. No brainer in my household.

For the cost of one CD a month, I get access to 99% of all the CDs I could ever think to want -- and many I didn't know I wanted to listen to until I discovered them.
How does the lossless sound through SONOS vs. lossy? Can you tell a difference? Is it worth it? I have a SONOS Connect hooked up to my theater rig and think it would benefit greatly from the higher quality stream, but would like to hear your feedback on the sound comparison.
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I like it. I find its way too subtle on the Play1 but on the main rig it's the difference between very good lossy and the source CD.
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