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Can anyone suggest a good volume control for in wall? I have a new build and ceiling speakers run to the VLC box then to the connect amps in the basement.
If you have a dedicated Connect:Amp for each room (i.e. no cases where 2 or more rooms are being powered by the same Connect:Amp) then the simplest and most effective option is an old iPad running the Sonos app in a wall-mounted dock wherever you want one. Having the ability to control not only the volume but also the audio content being played in each zone, from that zone's wall-mounted control is a nice feature. Plus, no additional wiring is required beyond power for keeping the iPad charged.

This also avoids some of the pitfalls of mixing and matching in-app and external volume controls as you have 100% control of the volume from any device with a Sonos app. For example, with a "dumb" wall-mounted control, if somebody has turned the volume all the way down at the wall control, no amount of turning it up within the app will do anything. Likewise, if somebody has turned the volume all the way down in the app then no amount of turning it up at the wall control will do anything. When you use a single control method (whether that be the in-app controls or an external control), you can predict how loud your speakers will play with the volume slider/knob set at a particular position. Once you start mixing multiple methods of controlling the volume, you don't know how loud the music will play without adjusting it by ear from that listening position, because you have no way of knowing what position the other volume control is set at unless you are fiddling with both at the same time.

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Thanks. I appreciate the dual control aspect but I have 4 runs and 3 amps. All have volume control drops as per the installer. I just need a good recommendation on what controllers to get? I don't plan on really using most of them but I do plan on splitting the deck with the family room speakers and using the control to effectively silence one set as needed.

Any good iPad mounts? I have two mini retinas I purchased so I can mount one upstairs and one in the basement.

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Thanks. I appreciate the dual control aspect but I have 4 runs and 3 amps. All have volume control drops as per the installer. I just need a good recommendation on what controllers to get? I don't plan on really using most of them but I do plan on splitting the deck with the family room speakers and using the control to effectively silence one set as needed.

Any good iPad mounts? I have two mini retinas I purchased so I can mount one upstairs and one in the basement.

Thanks for the reply!
If you're looking for a basic volume controller and have already installed (or are planning to install) a single gang low voltage box/bracket, then you can't really beat Monoprice for pricing...

http://www.monoprice.com/Product?p_i...FQQRHwodRqEApw

When it comes to iPad Mini wall mount brackets, there are a lot of different options. They range from in-wall/on-wall enclosures to articulating arms to simple clips that allow you to easily remove/replace the tablet. Some allow access to all of the buttons and ports all of the time. Some allow you to restrict access to some/all buttons if desired. Some are attached to the wall with screws. Some use command strips. Some are adjustable to fit just about any tablet. Some only fit a a few models. Aesthetics vary greatly from sleek stainless steel enclosures or clips to colored plastic/rubber. If you want one that requires easy removal/replacement of the tablet, with no need to cut or drill holes in the wall then you may like this one...

http://www.amazon.com/Damage-free-Do...xp_grid_pt_0_0

If that one doesn't suit then simply do a search for iPad wall mount on Amazon.com and you find plenty of options. If you can narrow down what style you want then I'm sure somebody here can make a better recommendation.
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If you're looking for a basic volume controller and have already installed (or are planning to install) a single gang low voltage box/bracket, then you can't really beat Monoprice for pricing...

http://www.monoprice.com/Product?p_i...FQQRHwodRqEApw

When it comes to iPad Mini wall mount brackets, there are a lot of different options. They range from in-wall/on-wall enclosures to articulating arms to simple clips that allow you to easily remove/replace the tablet. Some allow access to all of the buttons and ports all of the time. Some allow you to restrict access to some/all buttons if desired. Some are attached to the wall with screws. Some use command strips. Some are adjustable to fit just about any tablet. Some only fit a a few models. Aesthetics vary greatly from sleek stainless steel enclosures or clips to colored plastic/rubber. If you want one that requires easy removal/replacement of the tablet, with no need to cut or drill holes in the wall then you may like this one...

http://www.amazon.com/Damage-free-Do...xp_grid_pt_0_0

If that one doesn't suit then simply do a search for iPad wall mount on Amazon.com and you find plenty of options. If you can narrow down what style you want then I'm sure somebody here can make a better recommendation.
So there's nothing in the volume control? I read something about transformer free ones were better for bass? I couldn't find explicitly that the monoprice ones were impedance matched?


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So there's nothing in the volume control? I read something about transformer free ones were better for bass? I couldn't find explicitly that the monoprice ones were impedance matched?
I have no knowledge of the differences in quality between volume controllers that use transformers and those that do not. However, if you click on the Specifications link, you'll see that it does offer impedance matching. They also have sliding controllers if you prefer those over the rotary style.
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Joined the ranks... After thinking about it for years, and being pushed a little by a co-worker who has a full house setup and loves it, I purchased a Bridge and Connect a few months ago with the idea of ripping all my CDs to play over the network. I have a few hundred, nowhere near as many as some here and a fraction of all the LPs I used to have, but it was still a chore! I used dBpoweramp to rip to FLAC. It didn't get all the track titles right, but handled the majority, and I'll fix the rest as I find them. I finally finished a few weeks ago and got around to hooking up the Sonos system last weekend. I am using the Connect's audio outputs though plan to use the digital output after I switch receivers (had the new one a few weeks, just no time to put it in).

Not really using anything like this before, I found the interface a bit quirky but very easy to use. I had no problem getting the Bridge to work and then adding the Connect was really easy. I had nightmares about fighting network issues for days/weeks trying to get everything to work but it was literally a few minutes. While I bought a wireless media adapter to hook up the new receiver, I stuck with the Sonos mesh network for the Connect (figured it was easier and safer to let it use its own network). It was easy to map my music library (ripped to my notebook then synched to a WD MyCloud NAS; I have a Synology RAID NAS and drives in boxes that will take over, eventually) and after years of my wife telling me how great Pandora was I finally tried it (and it is pretty nice). One goal accomplished: very easy to set up and get playing!

The sound is OK, at least to me. I have not listened long enough or hardly at all the past few months so have lost much of my basis for comparison (my Oppo broke down last fall and I haven't gotten it repaired yet). I was disappointed to read Sonos only supports 16-bit but not a killer since I have very little hi-res stuff anyway. My goals were good sound with ease-of-use since a large part of why I have not been listening to my CD collection is that, with so little time to listen, it was a hassle if I wanted to listen to say five different Maynard Ferguson songs from different albums. I used to listen to an album at a time, but anymore I tend to have a few songs in mind, often different artists and CDs, and getting up to swap CDs every few minutes just wasn't worth the effort when I was often working at the same time or only had an hour in the evening to listen. A world-wide customer base and 24/7 connectivity may be a great thing for employers, and customers appreciate the support for their time zone, but it is a lot of work for employees. Last week I picked up a 2-pack of Play 1's, one for my office and one for the family room where my wife lives, and was surprised at how good they sound for a little speaker. Would not likely ever be a primary speaker, but for casual listening and background music they are really good, and my wife likes the sound (still have to introduce her to the UI).

The speakers ("players" in Sonos-speak, which is actually more accurate) are a bit pricey, but they do include amplifiers and a network interface, so aren't really out of line if you add up the pieces and supporting technology. I have read mixed reviews about Sonos support but they were good to me before and after the sale. And the sound from the little Play 1's is better than I expected. Maggies they ain't, but they aren't bad! I kow Sonos has been compared to Bose but my very limited exposure to both has me thinking the Sonos players sound better than say the Bose Cubes. As for price, I think the various Wave players are pretty expensive for what they offer.

I plan to get a Play 5 for our basement game room for when we or the kids are down there playing pool or whatever. Unfortunately the Play 5 is the only player with a line input for the kid's iPods and such (really wish Sonos would add that to the cheaper speakers!) We had the house pre-wired for speakers but never followed through, and after ~20 years the guy who wired it is long gone and we have no hope of tracking down the wires, so Sonos is replacing that system. Bottom line is I am happy with it and wishing I had done it years ago. Would've also been fewer CDs to rip...

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