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Specification

Connectivity
Bonjour
UPnP SSDP
UPnP AV
Windows Media Connect
Windows Media Player NSS
Samba
NFS
Media servers: myiHome, myiHomeLite, myiHomeMS (UPnP), MSP Portal
Third party media servers: WizD, SwissCenter, Llink, GB-PVR
********** P2P
Usenet downloader
NAS access: SMB, NFS, FTP

Web services
Video: YouTube, Vuze, Revision 3, Videocast, CNET TV, Mediafly, Veoh, Mevio, Bliptv, Cranky Geeks, Break Podcast, DLTV, CBS Evening News, CNN Anderson Cooper 360 Daily, CNN The Larry King Podcast, NBC Today Show, The CNN Daily, CNN In Case You Missed It, NBC Nightly News, NBC Meet The Press, CBS Face the Nation, Podfinder UK
Audio: Jamendo, iPodcast, BBC Podcast, Indiefeed, CNN News, ABC News
Photo: Flickr Photo, Picasaweb Photo, Pikeo, 23
RSS feed: Yahoo! Weather, NMT Forum, Bloglines, Cinecast, MSNBC News, Traffice Condition, Yahoo! Traffic Alerts, Yahoo! News, Weather Bug
Peer-to-peer TV: SayaTV
Internet Radio: Radio box, Live365 Radio

Media files supported
Video containers:
MPEG1/2/4 Elementary (M1V, M2V, M4V)
MPEG1/2 PS (M2P, MPG, DAT, VOB)
MPEG2 Transport Stream (TS, TP, TRP, M2T, M2TS, MTS)
AVI, ASF, WMV
Matroska (MKV)
MOV (H.264), MP4, RMP4

Video decoder:
XVID SD/HD
MPEG-1
MPEG-2 MP@HL
MPEG-4.2 ASP@L5, 720p, 1-point GMC
MPEG-4.10 (H.264)
BP@L3
MP@L4.0
HP@L4.0
HP@L4.1
WMV9
MP@HL
SMPTE 421M (VC-1)
MP@HL
AP@L3

Audio containers:
AAC, M4A
MPEG audio (MP1, MP2, MP3, MPA)
WAV
WMA
FLAC
OGG

Audio decoder:
Dolby Digital
DTS
WMA, WMA Pro
MPEG-1 Layer 1, 2, 3
MPEG-4 AAC-LC
MPEG-4 HE-AAC
MPEG-4 BSAC
LPCM
FLAC
Vorbis

Audio pass-through:
DTS, DTS-HD HR, DTS-HD MA
Dolby Digital, Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby True HD

Other formats:
ISO, IFO navigation
Adobe Flash Lite 3.1
AVCHD navigation
Blu-ray ready (requires addition of compatible BD-ROM and at least 1GB USB stick or internal HDD)

Photo formats:
JPEG, BMP, PNG, GIF

Subtitle formats:
SRT, MicroDVD SUB, SSA, SUB/IDX

DRM
Cardea DRM (WMDRM-ND)
Janus DRM (WMDRM-PD)

Chipset
Sigma Designs SMP8643, 667MHz CPU with floating point coprocessor.
Memory
512MB DDR2 DRAM, 256MB NAND Flash

Audio/Video outputs
HDMI v1.3a with CEC, 36bpp deep color, 12-bit xvYCC processing and HDCP 1.2 content protection
Component Video
S-Video
Composite Video
Stereo Analog Audio
S/PDIF Optical and Coaxial Digital Audio

Other Interface
192x64 dots white text on blue background LCD display, with software adjustable brightness and power off
Power button with standby, reset and full power down
2x USB 2.0 host at the front
2x USB 2.0 host at the back
1x USB 2.0 internal
2x SATA (one occupied by HDD tray)
3.5" HDD tray
Internal mounting for 2.5" HDD
2.4GHz RF Remote Control
Infra-Red Remote Control port (Infra-Red Remote Control optional)

Network
Ethernet 10/100/1000
miniPCI MII interface for 11n WiFi card (optional)

Power
100~240V AC, 50~60 Hz, max 2.5A
typical: 13 W (no additional device installed/attached)
maximum: 70 W

Dimension
Width x Depth x Height : 425mm x 290mm x 80mm (16.73" x 11.42" x 3.14")

Weight
3.7kg (8.3 lbs)

Package Content
Popcorn Hour C-200 (HDD not included)

IEC 60320 C13 power cord
1.5M length HDMI cable
RF Remote Control with 2 "AAA" batteries
Quick start guide
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Looking at the pics, it better be a fake
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3.7 kg, thats heavy.
Looks like it has a fan (back). Looks like it is not a real major improvement regarding playing mkv files. We will wait how the menu looks and scrolls. The conceptronic yuixx menu looks really cool.
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It doesn't show up on popcorn hour site
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It doesn't show up on popcorn hour site

Thats correct, it is announced only on www.networkedmediatank.com
Public release will be later.

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Hello all,

I am proud to announce first here on the NMT Forum, the next generation NMT, the Popcornhour C200.
This is only an first Info for the NMT Forum Users to get an overview of the new Device, i wont talk about the firmware or price currently, because this will be announced when we start the new Homepage, don't ask about an Date, because i wont answer it, when its ready it will get posted and thats it, so just take an first look now .

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3.7 kg, thats heavy.
Looks like it has a fan (back). Looks like it is not a real major improvement regarding playing mkv files. We will wait how the menu looks and scrolls. The conceptronic yuixx menu looks really cool.

No one knows that... at least it has a new chip Sigma Designs SMP8643, 667MHz CPU with floating point coprocessor.

Menus probably will be in HTML...

At this point I think I prefer the Yuixx... but lets see the reviews...
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Looks like it is not a real major improvement regarding playing mkv files.

How do you figure? What improvements regarding mkv should it have?
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How do you figure? What improvements regarding mkv should it have?

it doesnt runs L5.1 only up to HP@L4.1
I have a mkv file from planet earth 1080p and my Egreat m34a doesnt run it smooth.
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All 1080p mkv files I have tried on popcorn A-110 ran, even the ones with as many as 12 reframes at L5.1, but would eventually crash the popcorn with a need for restart - but non conformant mkvs DO RUN more or less correctly!...are you saying that egreat has the hardware limitation same as WDTV?
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All 1080p mkv files I have tried on popcorn A-110 ran, even the ones with as many as 12 reframes at L5.1, but would eventually crash the popcorn with a need for restart - but non conformant mkvs DO RUN more or less correctly!...are you saying that egreat has the hardware limitation same as WDTV?


I don't know. It could be. It does run it but not smoothly.
1080p with L4.1 is no problem. It uses the same sigma chip and software als popcornhour 110.
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i have many files 1080p and heavy ones and i can play them without any problem

like planet earth that in some scenes it output like 37mbits!!! in a mkv that its allot....
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3.7 kg. Shipping individual sets will be an issue. Unless the chain stores pick it up. By then prices will be on the heavy side.
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3.7 kg, thats heavy.
Looks like it has a fan (back). Looks like it is not a real major improvement regarding playing mkv files. We will wait how the menu looks and scrolls. The conceptronic yuixx menu looks really cool.

Information in the thread over on NMT Forums indicates that there is a place for a fan but the unit does not require one. They put the spot in the design so users can add their own if they wish (and no doubt in case in the future they discover that a fan is in fact needed from the factory).

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I am surprised to see it will not come with a built in blur ray optical drive. I read over on MPC Club Hi-Jack said "the great thing about the C-200 is that we can remove the drive cage and replace it with a BD-Rom." So I suppose the reasoning is that not all users need an optical drive, so leave it out as standard and let users add their own if they so choose to.

I also hope that the release of this new unit will lower the price of the A-110 (either on clearance through PCH directly or if they start to appear on e-bay for below retail due to many folks upgrading).
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like planet earth that in some scenes it output like 37mbits!!! in a mkv that its allot....

why do you think so? 37 mbps is nothing for Sigma, rgardless of mkv or m2ts, the trouble is with h.264 reframes, not bitrate!
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Found this on Youtube, some guy showing the hardware in the box.. Too bad its not in English..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ze4ZOMc6VY
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i won't replace my A110 with this...at least not for quite a while! not worth it for me.

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Is menu navigation any faster than the original popcorn hour? I gave up on the popcorn hour and replaced it with a real HTPC because the system was generally very slow and unresponsive.
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I'm now convinced this fiction is fact. ANY info of shipping, to within the nearest quarter?

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Found this on Youtube, some guy showing the hardware in the box.. Too bad its not in English..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ze4ZOMc6VY

Why don't these videos ever show the interface? It's the crappy UI that usually sinks these products.
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Why don't these videos ever show the interface? It's the crappy UI that usually sinks these products.

I think you just answered your own question!

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I have a A-100 and love how it plays everything. If this new one doesn't have a better UI I'll have to pass. If I can get A-100 playback with XBMC interface I would be in heaven.
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Can this upcoming player play the BD with the menus, like the Dune does?
Or is it still only mt2s, and therefore no subtitle?

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it doesnt runs L5.1 only up to HP@L4.1
I have a mkv file from planet earth 1080p and my Egreat m34a doesnt run it smooth.

I thought NMTs were bulletproof.

Good to know it's got some limitations. Makes me, an WDTV owner, feel a bit relieved. LOL!
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does anyone know what the GUI will be like? Thats what killed it for me and the a-110. Those jukeboxes were too complicated to set up, I don't have all day to sit there and figure it out.
Thanks
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I thought NMTs were bulletproof.

Good to know it's got some limitations. Makes me, an WDTV owner, feel a bit relieved. LOL!

As has been mentioned before, HP@L5.1 is outside the spec of most of the chips in the players, Blu-ray/HD-DVD's are encoded at L4.1, so a 4.1 -> 5.1 encode is totally worthless. It's not a limitation of the chip. It's the function of an improperly encoded release/video. The original Planet Earth wasn't even in L5.1

let's look at the specs for L5.1 shall we?

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Level number 5.1
Max macroblocks per second Max frame size (macroblocks) 983040
Max video bit rate (VCL) for Baseline, Extended and Main Profiles 36864
Max video bit rate (VCL) for High Profile 240 Mbit/s
Max video bit rate (VCL) for High 10 Profile 300 Mbit/s
Max video bit rate (VCL) for High 4:2:2 and High 4:4:4 Predictive Profiles 960 Mbit/s
Examples for high resolution @ frame rate (max stored frames) in Level720 Mbit/s
1920x1080@120.5 (16)
4096x2048@30.0 (5)
4096x2304@26.7 (5)
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From another board: "The problem with a lot of h.264 encodes downloaded from the Internet, is that many people tend to encode their h.264 stuff at high@L5.1, instead of Level 4.1. They don't really understand what 5.1 is for, but many guides say 5.1 gives better quality (which of course is true) so they do it. 5.1 is used for the aforementioned 120fps @ 1080p, but is really no use for todays normal HD content. (from BluRays and HD DVD)."
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does anyone know what the GUI will be like? Thats what killed it for me and the a-110. Those jukeboxes were too complicated to set up, I don't have all day to sit there and figure it out.
Thanks
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From reading comments on the NMT forums, and watching that unboxing video on youtube, it will have the same GUI, just faster. Still will use HTML. It is amazing that the jukeboxes like YAMJ have come out since last model of the PCH launched yet the they are not going to be shipping the new players with a Jukebox loaded by default. Whoever designed YAMJ must not be much into marketing, because you think they would have sold it to Syabas.

So I agree, they should make these players plug n play out of the box, ready to scan the end users media files, get them loaded into a fancy GUI and scrape for TV/Movie covers and metadata.
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I am not clear on this. Can it hold both a blu ray drive and a SATA drive?

The processor appears to be quite a bit faster than the one in the 110.

Price is set at $299. If it holds two drives, I"d be pretty interested.
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Personally I'm going to wait for some feedback before I make my mind up if it's worth the price tag. With S/H it will be about 320$.

Here are some FAQ complements of the NMT forum:


Does the C-200 support the use of the harmony/universal remotes? - To use IR you will need an additional IR receiver, the unit out of the box only supports RF remotes.

Does the unit support Bluray? - The unit will play retail Blu-ray discs with the addition of a BD-rom.

Does the C-200 have a fan? - There is no fan, as it is not required (can be added by user if wanted though).

Can I install more RAM? - DDR2 RAM is not upgradable, there is no need for more RAM than the device is supplied with.

Will the C-200 support my HD files with High@L5.1? - no support for AVC High@L5.1 level.

Can I power up C-200 by remote? - Unlike the A-110/100, the C-200 supports full power up/down by remote.

Does the C-200 have a USB slave port? No.


Wireless/WiFi

Does the C200 have WiFi built-in? - No it does not as not everyone wants/needs it, so if you do have a need then you will need a wireless mini-pci card. The B110 had one so if you look in that section you will find more details on mini-pci networking. The spec is not known yet but we expect Atheros WiFi 'N' based card.

What is the Antenna on the back for then? - It is for the RF remote control. When inserting a mini-pci card you usually get the associated antennas. There are mounting holes for 3 antennas on the back of the C200 case.

Will WiFi be as slow as the A110? - No. The A110 is USB not mini-Pci, we hope for at least double the speed.


Can it hold both a blu ray drive and a SATA drive? - It has two SATA ports.

1) The external one can hold either a 3 1/2 in drive in the tray OR the tray is removed for a blu-ray drive.

2) The internal port can hold a 2 1/2 in laptop drive.

(So it can hold a Blu-ray drive and a 2 1/2 HDD at the same time, OR a 3 1/2 HDD and 2 1/2 HDD at the same time.)



Can I attach an HD-DVD and BD-ROM combo drive and play both retail hd-dvd's and Blu-Rays? - HD-DVD will not be supported , also Sigma at all doesnt support HD-DVD.
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