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post #121 of 133 Old 08-20-2009, 05:00 AM
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that's the million dollar question. if there's no processing power jump and we're stuck with 5 reframes on 1080p video, it'll become pretty apparent that WDTV is trying to resell us the same old machine. $130 doesn't sound like a good deal for a small audio boost that only audiophiles will appreciate and networking capabilities that 3rd party firmware and a $7 adapter can handle.

i have faith though that something good will come of the WDTV2.

If you were WD what would you do?

If you are a big company, you really don't have to do anything innovative. Just give what all other companies in the market do, and put your name on the product = guaranteed sales...
Does anyone have a player with the Sigma 8642 in the market now? No (except the 300$ C-200 maybe)
Does everyone (or almost everyone) give component, LAN, and DTS downmix? Yes

New chip like sigma 8642 means:
1. More expensive product (8635 must be cheaper now than last year, and 8642 more expensive)
2. New SDK and new bugs (and we all know how well they have done with firmware bug fixing )
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Can't comment on #2 but my best guess would be before christmas. As for #1 I would expect very little success streaming 1080p mkvs over wireless. Your best bet would be to stick with wired (i.e cat5e/cat6) or if that is not an option try a powerline/MoCA product.

Why would 1080p MKV's not work over wireless? Most 1080p MKV videos are encoded using H.264 at anywhere from 6Mbps (animation) to 14Mbps (very action-oriented movies) bitrate. That is all well-under the 54Mbps (theoretical) or 48-ish Mbps (real-world) capability of wireless 802.11g. I've streamed 1080p H.264 MKV's at these bitrates over my wireless network without any trouble.
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Why would 1080p MKV's not work over wireless? Most 1080p MKV videos are encoded using H.264 at anywhere from 6Mbps (animation) to 14Mbps (very action-oriented movies) bitrate. That is all well-under the 54Mbps (theoretical) or 48-ish Mbps (real-world) capability of wireless 802.11g. I've streamed 1080p H.264 MKV's at these bitrates over my wireless network without any trouble.

Wireless can be unstable and is dependant on many factors. I cannot get a consistent stream using Wireless-N, let alone even touching Wireless-G. Every situation is going to be different, But I would guess that most people who expect to stream 1080p content (A blu ray mkv/ts movie can easily exceed 20Mbps) will be dissapointed. Like I said though, every situation will vary.

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Wireless can be unstable and is dependant on many factors. I cannot get a consistent stream using Wireless-N, let alone even touching Wireless-G. Every situation is going to be different, But I would guess that most people who expect to stream 1080p content (A blu ray mkv/ts movie can easily exceed 20Mbps) will be dissapointed. Like I said though, every situation will vary.

20Mbps is still well under even a marginal 802.11g wireless signal. Additionally, unless you absolutely don't want to spend the time re-encoding (instead simply dumping the elementary stream into a different container), 20Mbps is a complete waste of space. 10-12Mbps H.264 is more than enough to support a 1080p video stream all the way up to about a 50" display.

At any rate...I can only speak from my experience, but I stream many, many terabytes of video content around my house, and I rarely have problems going over wireless.
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20Mbps is still well under even a marginal 802.11g wireless signal. Additionally, unless you absolutely don't want to spend the time re-encoding (instead simply dumping the elementary stream into a different container), 20Mbps is a complete waste of space. 10-12Mbps H.264 is more than enough to support a 1080p video stream all the way up to about a 50" display.

At any rate...I can only speak from my experience, but I stream many, many terabytes of video content around my house, and I rarely have problems going over wireless.

I have found that the listed specs and the real world specs, particularly for wireless, can vary quite dramatically, and there are a lot of additional factors to take into account. I know quite a few people who are unable to stream a Blu Ray mkv over wireless n, let alone wireless g. Also, keep in mind, by bringing in encoding you are now possibly adding a 5-20 hr process just to each movie to encode down, let alone taking something away from the original blu ray (this can be debated whether or not a difference can seen, but that is for another topic). But as you mentioned, we are both only speaking from our experience and from what I have discussed with other people.

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There is probably a lot of error correction and re-sent packets occuring on wireless which creates a lot of overhead, taking away from the usable bitrate...
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Just bumping this thread now that it appears we may be getting close to a release date in Canada, maybe?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1175485

Wondering if anyone has a lead on US availability.
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If WD does release this thing in the next week, their PR people should be fired. Why no press release? Surely they can't be worried about existing inventories of the original WDTV since they've already undercut that price with the Mini. If the release is imminent, they should have made an announcement. By the way, did anyone ever determine how the photos of the Live got leaked?
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I still dont understand what this box does, lol.
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I still dont understand what this box does, lol.

Your mom . . . couldn't resist.

You mean what it does relative to the other dozen similar products?

What it does relative to the two or three other WD products?

Or just, "what it is" man?
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I still dont understand what this box does, lol.

Great!!! You are the perfect buyer
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Guys a quick question !!
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