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post #2551 of 2558 Old 09-06-2014, 07:43 AM
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I use this arrangement because I prefer to have a real display in the listening room than to use the iPad (which is often as elusive as the proverbial remote control). And, yes, I prefer the server via USB to the exaSound to the Oppo using either HDMI or analog. There is no USB output from the Oppos. I also preferred the HDMI output (of the Baetis or the Oppo) to Marantz over the Oppo's analog output to the Marantz. Too many variables here but the issues for me are the convenience of device in the listening room (with the NAS elsewhere) and the superiority of the exaSound DAC over the DACs in the Oppo or the Marantz.
Thanks for the prompt reply. Sounds like its time to consider a multichannel exaSound but don't you have a custom config with three of the 2 channels connected together?

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I use this arrangement because I prefer to have a real display in the listening room than to use the iPad (which is often as elusive as the proverbial remote control). And, yes, I prefer the server via USB to the exaSound to the Oppo using either HDMI or analog. There is no USB output from the Oppos. I also preferred the HDMI output (of the Baetis or the Oppo) to Marantz over the Oppo's analog output to the Marantz. Too many variables here but the issues for me are the convenience of device in the listening room (with the NAS elsewhere) and the superiority of the exaSound DAC over the DACs in the Oppo or the Marantz.
Any what about the DAC's in the exaSound compared to the SSP-800 ?

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Thanks for the prompt reply. Sounds like its time to consider a multichannel exaSound but don't you have a custom config with three of the 2 channels connected together?
I had a stack of Myteks with their proprietary MCH driver but no longer.

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Any what about the DAC's in the exaSound compared to the SSP-800 ?
??? It has been quite a while since I have had the SSP-800.

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I've got a new Oppo 103, and, I have used JRiver on a desktop for many years. I'm currently running MC20

I can see JRiver playlists from the Oppo and navigate those playlists via the Oppo remote and the Oppo on-screen file navigation tree. This is functional, but, not a particularly nice browsing method for my large library.

I can see and navigate JRiver playlists using WebGizmo on a different computer in the house. WebGizmo asks for the key that enables it to locate JRiver. WebGizmo gives me the choice of playing back on the computer on which I'm running WebGizmo, or, on the desktop that is running JRiver. I do not get any option to play back on the Oppo.

I can see and navigate JRiver using JRemote on an iPad. JRemote asks for the key that enables it to locate JRiver. JRemote gives me the choice of playing back on the iPad, or, on the desktop that is running JRiver. I do not get any option to play back on the Oppo.

I'd like to navigate my library with JRemote on my iPad and have playback come from/through the Oppo.

The question is how do I push to an Oppo 103 using JRemote controlling JRiver MC20? Put differently,how do I get the Oppo to show up in theJRiver MC20 player list?

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"Use Media Network to share this library and enable DLNA" is checked
"DLNA Server (share your media with other DLNA devices) is checked
"DLNA Renderer (allow other DLNA devices to Control Media Center" is checked
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I've got a new Oppo 103, and, I have used JRiver on a desktop for many years. I'm currently running MC20

I can see JRiver playlists from the Oppo and navigate those playlists via the Oppo remote and the Oppo on-screen file navigation tree. This is functional, but, not a particularly nice browsing method for my large library.

I can see and navigate JRiver playlists using WebGizmo on a different computer in the house. WebGizmo asks for the key that enables it to locate JRiver. WebGizmo gives me the choice of playing back on the computer on which I'm running WebGizmo, or, on the desktop that is running JRiver. I do not get any option to play back on the Oppo.

I can see and navigate JRiver using JRemote on an iPad. JRemote asks for the key that enables it to locate JRiver. JRemote gives me the choice of playing back on the iPad, or, on the desktop that is running JRiver. I do not get any option to play back on the Oppo.

I'd like to navigate my library with JRemote on my iPad and have playback come from/through the Oppo.

The question is how do I push to an Oppo 103 using JRemote controlling JRiver MC20? Put differently,how do I get the Oppo to show up in theJRiver MC20 player list?

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"DLNA Renderer (allow other DLNA devices to Control Media Center" is checked
"DLNA Controller (control other DLNA devices)" is checked
Given that the "pull" method (using the Oppo to browse the server and "pull" media from it), the Oppo should be visible on the player list. Note, however, that there can be delays as to when the Oppo shows up in the player list on a DLNA server after both components have been activated.

I think you know this, but just to be certain - to push using JRemote (which I do with MC20 and a BDP-103 all the time), you need to select the
"OPPO BDP-103" as the playback device in jRemote - which is the bottom-left corner of the screen. (Do this after connecting JRemote to your instance of JRMC) That selection will "stick" and you should not need to do it again except after jRemote updates from the iStore.

I have experienced some odd-ball problems with SSDP (the discovery protocol used by DLNA/UPnP devices) on certain wireless networks. It appears that some wireless access points (including some that are embedded in wireless routers) do not handle multicasting correctly - and SSDP is dependent on multicasting. I've had 3 different ones in the last year and none of them handles it quite right. I have an SSDP "sniffer" that i wrote for my iPad and the iPad only sees about 20% of the SSDP multicasts and replies that are picked up by the sniffer on my wired-network PC. Hence, my Oppo and the PC running JRMC are WIRED to the network - which is extremely reliable.

I have occasionally had issues with cached information in jRemote, where I tried setting the playback device too soon - before the Oppo showed up on jRiver's list. Then, even when the Oppo eventually does show up on JRMCs player list, the list on JRemote does not change and I am stuck. This has happened only VERY rarely, when I need to reselect due to an update or whatever. It has never happened when the Oppo was already selected as the playback device. The solution for me was to restart the iPad, which of course flushes the app and its cache data so the cache can be properly refreshed when the app is restarted. (Don't you just LOVE the fact that we have to reboot to accomplish that little task?)

There are also several settings in JRMC's Media Network that you need to set to make the best use of it with the Oppo. Basically, you can run "multiple" instances of the DLNA server at once. Each DLNA server has a profile - and you want to make one JUST for your Oppo. If you only use JRMC with the Oppo, then this can be the default instance. Otherwise, create a new one and call it "for Oppo" or something like that. Then you will connect JRemote to the "for Oppo" DLNA server.

To create a new DLNA server instance...
1) Use the menus to select Tools >> Options
2) In the left-hand navigation pane of the Options dialog, select "Media Network"
3) In the right-hand pane of the Options dialog, Select "...Add or Configure DLNA servers..."
4) Click the Add button on the top right of the DLNA Servers dialog
5) Select "Generic DLNA" in the resulting popup menu
6) In the bottom pane of the DLNA Servers dialog, select and set the "Display name" to something more meaningful.
7) Press the "OK" button at the bottom of the DLNA Servers dialog
8) Press the "OK" button at the bottom of the Options dialog.

Whether you took the default server or created a new one using the instructions above, you will want to get all the transcoding turned OFF for this instance. To do this:
1) Use the menus to select Tools >> Options
2) In the left-hand navigation pane of the Options dialog, select "Media Network"
3) In the right-hand pane of the Options dialog, Select "...Add or Configure DLNA servers..."
4) In the upper pane of the DLNA Servers dialog, select the media server that you will use with the Oppo in the upper list.
5) In the lower pane of the DLNA Servers Dialog, make the following settings changes:
Audio - Uncheck Stereo Downmix and Volume Leveling, and set Sample rate to "Same as source".
Audio Format: PCM 24-bit
Audio Mode: Original
Video Mode: Original
6) Press the "OK" button at the bottom of the DLNA Servers dialog
7) Press the "OK" button at the bottom of the Options dialog

Note - you do NOT need to have the "DLNA Renderer (allow other DLNA devices to Control Media Center)" option checked.
A renderer plays back media. In your setup the Oppo is the renderer and JRMC is both the controller and the server. JRemote is an odd-ball. In a pure DLNA environment, IT would be the controller. But with JRMC and JRemote, Jremote is NOT USING DLNA to talk to JRMC. This is part of why JRemote is SO much more reliable and robust than other generic DLNA controllers. It is JRMC specific and can take advantage of lots of non-DLNA things that JRMC makes available to it.
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Given that the "pull" method (using the Oppo to browse the server and "pull" media from it), the Oppo should be visible on the player list. Note, however, that there can be delays as to when the Oppo shows up in the player list on a DLNA server after both components have been activated.

I think you know this, but just to be certain - to push using JRemote (which I do with MC20 and a BDP-103 all the time), you need to select the
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I have experienced some odd-ball problems with SSDP (the discovery protocol used by DLNA/UPnP devices) on certain wireless networks. It appears that some wireless access points (including some that are embedded in wireless routers) do not handle multicasting correctly - and SSDP is dependent on multicasting. I've had 3 different ones in the last year and none of them handles it quite right. I have an SSDP "sniffer" that i wrote for my iPad and the iPad only sees about 20% of the SSDP multicasts and replies that are picked up by the sniffer on my wired-network PC. Hence, my Oppo and the PC running JRMC are WIRED to the network - which is extremely reliable.

I have occasionally had issues with cached information in jRemote, where I tried setting the playback device too soon - before the Oppo showed up on jRiver's list. Then, even when the Oppo eventually does show up on JRMCs player list, the list on JRemote does not change and I am stuck. This has happened only VERY rarely, when I need to reselect due to an update or whatever. It has never happened when the Oppo was already selected as the playback device. The solution for me was to restart the iPad, which of course flushes the app and its cache data so the cache can be properly refreshed when the app is restarted. (Don't you just LOVE the fact that we have to reboot to accomplish that little task?)
Thanks for the help. All my devices (other than JRemote) are wired.

All is working now. I added the desktop acting as the server to the Windows homegroup, which seems to have done the trick. I suspect there's some odd firewall rule being applied to units outside the homegroup. (Alternatively, it may just have taken a very long time for the Oppo to show up in the list of available players.)
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Thanks for the help. All my devices (other than JRemote) are wired.

All is working now. I added the desktop acting as the server to the Windows homegroup, which seems to have done the trick. I suspect there's some odd firewall rule being applied to units outside the homegroup. (Alternatively, it may just have taken a very long time for the Oppo to show up in the list of available players.)
Well that make sense...I don't have a home group here...so never had the issue. (I also run JRMC on Win7 right now).

If you have a large collection, try playing around with the "customize Views" settings in the DLNA server instance. You can build custom menus based on tags. I, for example, have a custom menu under "Audio" called "Surround Music", that then goes into submenus by Genre/Artist/Album. It lists only those tracks/albums with more than 3 channels. If I feel specifically like listening to surround music, I go straight to that menu so my 1500 other (non-surround) albums are NOT listed. I have another custom menu for my classical genre collection that is organized by composer rather than artist. A little time invested here can make finding what you want a TON easier if you have a large collection.

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Laird that was an extremely well written explanation of JRMC setup and configuration. Concise and easy for any new user to understand.

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