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Good thing i sold my wdtv live recently. I'll just stick to my original wdtv with b-rad firmware and usb network adapter until the popbox comes out in a month or so providing it has netflix capabilities (hopefully).
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I would never do this, but I would imagine some would buy the WDTV Live Plus, decide they don't like it, and accidentally put their Live in the box to return.

Lol! Providing they don't scan/check serial numbers that will probably work!
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I'm just going to use old socks.
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This is outrageous. Personally I could care less about netflix, or dvd nav for that matter, since I'm watching 1080p mkv's. However, I've spent weeks literally learning linux and installing b-rad's firmwares onto my WDTV live just get a reliable windows 7 share working, that's fast enough to stream 1080p, something WD claimed it could do out of the box. The firmware in the WDTV live was no where near, I mean not even close to being ready for launch when the product was released. They still haven't fixed it and one time bricked their own boxes trying to. Now they've released a new product. Geez, go **** yourselves WD. I hate that your product was the only one with the features I needed, and I hate that I had to overwrite your programming to make them work correctly. Sadly, I also hate that you don't care, and that many people will certainly buy your new inferior product.
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This is outrageous. Personally I could care less about netflix, or dvd nav for that matter, since I'm watching 1080p mkv's. However, I've spent weeks literally learning linux and installing b-rad's firmwares onto my WDTV live just get a reliable windows 7 share working, that's fast enough to stream 1080p, something WD claimed it could do out of the box. The firmware in the WDTV live was no where near, I mean not even close to being ready for launch when the product was released. They still haven't fixed it and one time bricked their own boxes trying to. Now they've released a new product. Geez, go **** yourselves WD. I hate that your product was the only one with the features I needed, and I hate that I had to overwrite your programming to make them work correctly. Sadly, I also hate that you don't care, and that many people will certainly buy your new inferior product.

I've yet to understand how people have trouble streaming anything. Stop using crap like tversity and just do direct shares and it works fine. I don't know what problems you're having, but I'm seeing what has to be a lot of user error on these boards.

To everyone else:

Do people cry this much every time a company updates a product? Did you folks whine when lcd tvs went from 60hz to 120 to 240? Did you guys break down sobbing when 3D tv was announced? The shift from vhs to dvd, then from dvd to bluray must have been too much for you folks to bear!

Either buy it or don't, but stop acting like children.
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Either buy it or don't, but stop acting like children.

You're obviously new here, LOL.
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Bluestinger,

No one is crying. Its upsetting to be taken advantage of by a company who releases products that are inferior, then releases a new inferior product rather than fixing the one you just paid for.

As for streaming issues, since you've interjected your opinion, I'll assume you're using windows 7 (like I am in my post above) and I'll assume you're using a windows share (like I am in my post above). Now that were on the same page, go find a 1080p blu-ray with a bit rate of 20mbps or more and play it over your network, without studdering. If you do, you will realize the problems inherent to the wdtv live. Realize that these are features said to be working out of the box. I assume you have an external usb plugged directly into the wdtv live and in that case it does work quite well. In the future, please do not attack posts regarding features you know nothing about nor even attempt to use. Do you know the difference btw CIFS or NFS? Do you even know what you're using. Streaming 480i ripped dvd's is no large feat.
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Did you folks whine when lcd tvs went from 60hz to 120 to 240? Did you guys break down sobbing when 3D tv was announced? The shift from vhs to dvd, then from dvd to bluray must have been too much for you folks to bear!

Either buy it or don't, but stop acting like children.

Those examples aren't comparable. At all.
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Now that were on the same page, go find a 1080p blu-ray with a bit rate of 20mbps or more and play it over your network, without studdering. If you do, you will realize the problems inherent to the wdtv live. Realize that these are features said to be working out of the box. I assume you have an external usb plugged directly into the wdtv live and in that case it does work quite well.

If the WDTV live plays the same file perfectly from a HDD but stutters when playing back over the network, what evidence do you have that the problem is with the WDTV live and not with the network?
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Bluestinger,

No one is crying. Its upsetting to be taken advantage of by a company who releases products that are inferior, then releases a new inferior product rather than fixing the one you just paid for.

As for streaming issues, since you've interjected your opinion, I'll assume you're using windows 7 (like I am in my post above) and I'll assume you're using a windows share (like I am in my post above). Now that were on the same page, go find a 1080p blu-ray with a bit rate of 20mbps or more and play it over your network, without studdering. If you do, you will realize the problems inherent to the wdtv live. Realize that these are features said to be working out of the box. I assume you have an external usb plugged directly into the wdtv live and in that case it does work quite well. In the future, please do not attack posts regarding features you know nothing about nor even attempt to use. Do you know the difference btw CIFS or NFS? Do you even know what you're using. Streaming 480i ripped dvd's is no large feat.

I'll assume you mean STUTTERING, not 'studdering' (which is not a word). I like that the rest of your post is a rambling diatribe on how stupid I supposedly am to cover for your own inability to make the product work.

Consider for a moment that if a 20mbps 1:1 rip will play through a usb port and won't through the network, it's a technical limitation or problem with the network components, and nothing else (even if that includes whatever components the wdtv is using for its networking)

I don't recall WD promising you 1:1 bluray rip capability at that bitrate. Perhaps you can show me where it says otherwise?

I'm willing to bet 99.9% of the people here aren't running 1:1 rips of real discs anyway, to be quite frank with you.

A couple of years ago such nice little boxes didn't even exist, and I get tired of seeing people endlessly bitching about them. Accept and enjoy them for what they do.
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Do people cry this much every time a company updates a product? Did you folks whine when lcd tvs went from 60hz to 120 to 240? Did you guys break down sobbing when 3D tv was announced? The shift from vhs to dvd, then from dvd to bluray must have been too much for you folks to bear!

Either buy it or don't, but stop acting like children.

The shift from VHS>DVD>Bluray wasn't six months apart, so your analogy is completely worthless.

Did you just create your account so you could come help WD with damage control?
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The shift from VHS>DVD>Bluray wasn't six months apart, so your analogy is completely worthless.

Did you just create your account so you could come help WD with damage control?

I don't give a rats ass about netflix. You apparently didn't care WHEN YOU BOUGHT THE UNIT WITHOUT NETFLIX, so why cry now? And yes, you ARE crying.
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I've yet to understand how people have trouble streaming anything. Stop using crap like tversity and just do direct shares and it works fine. I don't know what problems you're having, but I'm seeing what has to be a lot of user error on these boards.

To everyone else:

Do people cry this much every time a company updates a product? Did you folks whine when lcd tvs went from 60hz to 120 to 240? Did you guys break down sobbing when 3D tv was announced? The shift from vhs to dvd, then from dvd to bluray must have been too much for you folks to bear!

Either buy it or don't, but stop acting like children.


The difference in your examples is you are paying for advances in hardware and technology over reasonable period of time.

With the WD Live, these thieves are basically charging for something that should be a firmware update.
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Are we sure that the hardware is the same? I was under the impression that Netflix had certain requirements that restrict which hardware can support it. This is to do with having a protected video path rather than the raw decoding horsepower.
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I don't give a rats ass about netflix. You apparently didn't care WHEN YOU BOUGHT THE UNIT WITHOUT NETFLIX, so why cry now? And yes, you ARE crying.

I'm sure, like many others, they were hoping that Netflix would be a firmware upgrade. And since you don't care about Netflix to begin with you are out of the conversation anyway.
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I'm surprised there's not a lot of anger in this thread. I didn't expect a willingness to just buy another one.

Don't worry, people just haven't noticed it yet - it will come

But there is reason to expect the WDTV Light will get Mediafly added to its firmware - and that seems like it will be very useful (depending on the implementation)

If a carpenter makes a door he should get money every time someone uses it - he's also an "artist".
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I'm surprised there's not a lot of anger in this thread. I didn't expect a willingness to just buy another one.

I'm not buying another one - I'm waiting for Google TV

If a carpenter makes a door he should get money every time someone uses it - he's also an "artist".
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Is there anything new hardware wise? So basically it's just a $125 dollar firmware update, correct?

Apparently there is new hardware to control the Digital Restrictions Management (to make sure the evil pirates don't do some evil pirating )

If a carpenter makes a door he should get money every time someone uses it - he's also an "artist".
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So did WD really add DVD menu support with this player? I don't have an existing WDTV so I am seriously considering ordering this one. I currently have a CinemaTube that works, but is very crude in many ways. Does the WDTV Live Plus have a built-in SMB server so that you can connect to the attached USB drive from your PC/Mac? I would prefer to have my disk attached to the player and connect to it remotely to rip files occasionally as needed.
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So did WD really add DVD menu support with this player? I don't have an existing WDTV so I am seriously considering ordering this one. I currently have a CinemaTube that works, but is very crude in many ways. Does the WDTV Live Plus have a built-in SMB server so that you can connect to the attached USB drive from your PC/Mac? I would prefer to have my disk attached to the player and connect to it remotely to rip files occasionally as needed.

Yes, DVD Navigation has been added, you can check the comparison chart here from WD: http://www.wdc.com/en/products/index.asp?cat=30

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Looks like the differences between the 'WDHD TV LiVE' & 'WDHD TV LiVE +' are:

-NETFLiX supported
-DVD iSO with Menu supported
-Sigma 8654 chipset (allowing for the ability to play copy protected DVD / Blu-Ray)

So i guess that DTS-HD MA passthrough is not on WD's mind....
What a shame...
I think we may have to wait for the 'WDHD TV LiVE ++' for DTS-HD MA
which should come in a near futur...
More players to buy = more $$$ for WD

hahaha
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The new player has already been opened,
SAME SIGMA 8655 CHIP (no bluray menus or copy protected anything)
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I'm fairly certain b-rad will make it possible for DVD navigation to work on WDTV Live boxes.
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The new player has already been opened,
SAME SIGMA 8655 CHIP (no bluray menus or copy protected anything)

Wait, what? So the new players don't have a copy protected chip?
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The difference in your examples is you are paying for advances in hardware and technology over reasonable period of time.

With the WD Live, these thieves are basically charging for something that should be a firmware update.

You don't have to purchase anything. Feel free to purchase SOMETHING ELSE and bitch in another forum when that box also does something you dont like. I have a hard time believing that the new units wouldn't have some kind of dedicated circuitry for copy-protection with netflix.
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By the time you buy the 3 of these you could buy a Dune...
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Pre-release firmware for the OG WDTVLive with DVD Menu Support.

http://www.wdc.com/wdtvlive_prerelease/

Beta v1.03.22

What's new:

DVD navigation support.
Mediafly network service.
.mov chapter support.
Wireless adaptor support for ASUS USB-N13.
Security when mounting a network share on password protected local drives.
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Pre-release firmware for the OG WDTVLive with DVD Menu Support.

http://www.wdc.com/wdtvlive_prerelease/

Beta v1.03.22

What's new:

DVD navigation support.
Mediafly network service.
.mov chapter support.
Wireless adaptor support for ASUS USB-N13.
Security when mounting a network share on password protected local drives.

Great to know! Thanks!
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So with the Windows 7 support, does that mean we can stream WTV files from our PC to the WDTV Live Plus? I didn't think the second generation was capable of this.
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