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ScottJ's Avatar ScottJ 02:03 PM 06-24-2014
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Hi ScottJ, I always have the forced subtitles box checked when I run Clown. Is there another setting or do I need to select the actual subtitle from the list and check something else?

Thanks!
That doesn't sound right. That checkbox has three positions: clear, grey box, and checked. Usually I leave it on grey box and it picks up subs flagged as forced. But for discs that have a separate track for the forced subs, that box needs a check mark, not grey box.

golobulus's Avatar golobulus 02:08 PM 06-24-2014
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That doesn't sound right. That checkbox has three positions: clear, grey box, and checked. Usually I leave it on grey box and it picks up subs flagged as forced. But for discs that have a separate track for the forced subs, that box needs a check mark, not grey box.
Thanks man! You are right, it has a mark in it making it grey box, didn't realize it had 3 states. I'll put a check and will try it again. In general, how do you determine the titles that behave like this? Do you run something to review the disc before running Clown? Appreciate the guidance.
ScottJ's Avatar ScottJ 02:39 PM 06-24-2014
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Thanks man! You are right, it has a mark in it making it grey box, didn't realize it had 3 states. I'll put a check and will try it again. In general, how do you determine the titles that behave like this? Do you run something to review the disc before running Clown? Appreciate the guidance.
My ripping flow is complicated due to these kind of forced subs issues. I have Clown generate a batch file, then I run only the demux step. I manually look through all English subs using BDSup2Sub looking for two things: (1) anything forced, and (2) ensure subs are inside the picture area. Then if I find any forced, I manually edit the meta file that ClownBD put in the demux directory. Only after I do all that, I continue the batch file with the remux step.

I have scripted much of this so it's not that much manual labor.

This is the only way I've found that's 100% reliable, and even then I mess it up sometimes when I fail to recognize a track that should be forced.
dbone1026's Avatar dbone1026 02:49 PM 06-24-2014
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My ripping flow is complicated due to these kind of forced subs issues. I have Clown generate a batch file, then I run only the demux step. I manually look through all English subs using BDSup2Sub looking for two things: (1) anything forced, and (2) ensure subs are inside the picture area. Then if I find any forced, I manually edit the meta file that ClownBD put in the demux directory. Only after I do all that, I continue the batch file with the remux step.

I have scripted much of this so it's not that much manual labor.

This is the only way I've found that's 100% reliable, and even then I mess it up sometimes when I fail to recognize a track that should be forced.
Mine is kinda similar in that I use ClownBD just to demux and than use MKVMerge to create an mkv. Before I throw into an mkv I inspect the subtitle files if none are marked forced, usually going by the filesize to determine would could most likely be a forced track
golobulus's Avatar golobulus 04:03 PM 06-24-2014
I've been relying on Clown pretty much out of the box and it has been successful but it appears my workflow needs to evolve to match what you guys are doing. I haven't played around with the underlying utilities much but looks like it's time. I read on some of the other forums that Clown isn't being supported anymore so what we have today is likely it.
GusGus748s's Avatar GusGus748s 06:39 PM 06-24-2014
Mine it's easier. I use MakeMKV. If the movie has a forced track, I used MergeMKV and flag it accordingly.
ScottJ's Avatar ScottJ 06:43 PM 06-24-2014
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Mine it's easier. I use MakeMKV. If the movie has a forced track, I used MergeMKV and flag it accordingly.
The hard part is figuring out if a movie has a forced track. For many/most movies, it's easy, and both Clown and MakeMKV can find it automatically.

For others, not. And the danger is you don't realize it until you sit down with your friends to watch the movie, they start speaking some foreign language, and you're scratching your head wondering if there's supposed to be subtitles.
GusGus748s's Avatar GusGus748s 06:52 PM 06-24-2014
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The hard part is figuring out if a movie has a forced track. For many/most movies, it's easy, and both Clown and MakeMKV can find it automatically.

For others, not. And the danger is you don't realize it until you sit down with your friends to watch the movie, they start speaking some foreign language, and you're scratching your head wondering if there's supposed to be subtitles.
True. However, I always add the English and Spanish tracks. So I check the size of the file, and it tested on my PC. If it is forced I flag it.
ScottJ's Avatar ScottJ 07:12 PM 06-24-2014
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and it tested on my PC
What does this mean? You play the original disc on a software player, and look for forced subs? Is it always easy to tell?

(For some discs, my Oppo will show no subs are turned on, but the forced subs still show up. But, that only applies when the subs are flagged and so ClownBD would have easily found them.)
GusGus748s's Avatar GusGus748s 07:47 PM 06-24-2014
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What does this mean? You play the original disc on a software player, and look for forced subs? Is it always easy to tell?

(For some discs, my Oppo will show no subs are turned on, but the forced subs still show up. But, that only applies when the subs are flagged and so ClownBD would have easily found them.)
I test the ripped file and the subtitle tracks.
golobulus's Avatar golobulus 12:02 AM 06-25-2014
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The hard part is figuring out if a movie has a forced track. For many/most movies, it's easy, and both Clown and MakeMKV can find it automatically.

For others, not.
Wolverine was the first movie I've come across that had this separate track issue.

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And the danger is you don't realize it until you sit down with your friends to watch the movie, they start speaking some foreign language, and you're scratching your head wondering if there's supposed to be subtitles.
...and that's exactly what happened to me! I had to update the default tsmuxer version to even get it to grab the separate track that includes the forced subs but now I'm on my way.
EVT's Avatar EVT 01:12 PM 06-27-2014
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What does this mean? You play the original disc on a software player, and look for forced subs? Is it always easy to tell?

(For some discs, my Oppo will show no subs are turned on, but the forced subs still show up. But, that only applies when the subs are flagged and so ClownBD would have easily found them.)
The forced subs are usually not the issue as you've pointed out. The issue is when the english subtitles for non-english speaking parts are in a separate track. However, this too is easy to find using a blu-ray software player - for example, a movie like the Godfather will show that the separate subtitle track is turned on by default so you know to include that track and flag it as forced.
mchief99's Avatar mchief99 08:49 PM 06-28-2014
Interesting problem. Just upgraded My Movies to 5.0. The upgrade went fine and after restoring the database, checked the paths and everything seemed to work fine. From the iPad, my Dune H1 finds the movie and starting playing - one frame at a time. Same if I run from the My Movies on the Dune. If I play the movie directly from the source drive on the Dune, it plays properly. Thought I would see if anyone has an idea before I contact My Movies forum.
ScottJ's Avatar ScottJ 08:59 PM 06-28-2014
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Interesting problem. Just upgraded My Movies to 5.0. The upgrade went fine and after restoring the database, checked the paths and everything seemed to work fine. From the iPad, my Dune H1 finds the movie and starting playing - one frame at a time. Same if I run from the My Movies on the Dune. If I play the movie directly from the source drive on the Dune, it plays properly. Thought I would see if anyone has an idea before I contact My Movies forum.
Is the movie on a drive that's directly attached to the Dune? If so, it sounds like a path configuration problem, using SMB where it should use direct-attach.

This is the first common problem listed on my Path Configuration help page.
mchief99's Avatar mchief99 09:16 AM 06-29-2014
And I knew that - but with MM5, it now requires that each attached drive be configured individually, which I finally found. In MM4, I believe there was one check box for all attached drives? Getting old, CRS
DiabloZoe's Avatar DiabloZoe 02:40 PM 06-29-2014
I've used MM just for movies, but recently added a tv series to the HDD. Is there anything special I need to be aware of? Right now the series is one folder series name. And in side the main folder are 5 folders, each one holding a series. Do I just add it as if I were adding a movie? But select tv series all the way over to the right?
stefuel's Avatar stefuel 04:12 AM 06-30-2014
In the hundreds of movies I own, there is only a small handfull that require full menu support. For the rest I am ripping the main file and audio files I want to MKV. The one I'm mostly interested in is my calibration disc (Digital Video Essentials, HD Basics). Need full menu control to select various test patterns to calibrate the display the D1 is connected to.
Do I need to rip to a different format for full menu support?
Mr Eric's Avatar Mr Eric 06:43 AM 06-30-2014
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I've used MM just for movies, but recently added a tv series to the HDD. Is there anything special I need to be aware of? Right now the series is one folder series name. And in side the main folder are 5 folders, each one holding a series. Do I just add it as if I were adding a movie? But select tv series all the way over to the right?
yes, that's all you need to do. You can also use folder monitoring for TV series (you need to monitor your main folder)for your next additions, it's very usefull...
Mr Eric's Avatar Mr Eric 06:45 AM 06-30-2014
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In the hundreds of movies I own, there is only a small handfull that require full menu support. For the rest I am ripping the main file and audio files I want to MKV. The one I'm mostly interested in is my calibration disc (Digital Video Essentials, HD Basics). Need full menu control to select various test patterns to calibrate the display the D1 is connected to.
Do I need to rip to a different format for full menu support?
you need to rip as bdvm folders or ISO to have the menus.
stefuel's Avatar stefuel 11:03 AM 07-01-2014
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you need to rip as bdvm folders or ISO to have the menus.
I actually only have 1 BD that will require full menu. The rest (5 or 6) are DVD so I'm looking for something cheap as 1 BD doesn't really justify spending alot of money. Found many software providers with free DVD stuff. A quick search has not provided any el-cheap-o
BD stuff.
Mr Eric's Avatar Mr Eric 12:50 PM 07-01-2014
Dvdfab demo version was able to do full rips (that's all you were allowed to do with the demo). I say was because it seems to be difficult to find it now if you live in the US...
pdxrealtor's Avatar pdxrealtor 03:00 PM 07-02-2014
Is there any work around or 'hack' to perform on the smart series (or HD Max/DUO) boxes that will allow the playback of 3d files?

I currently rip all of my 2d stuff to .ISO and was planning on just using 3d via blu-ray player but of course now that I have 3d glasses and am used to using my Dunes the last thing I want to do is fire up the BD player.
ScottJ's Avatar ScottJ 03:24 PM 07-02-2014
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Is there any work around or 'hack' to perform on the smart series (or HD Max/DUO) boxes that will allow the playback of 3d files?
You'd have to rip them as TnB or SbS (half-resolution) files.
pdxrealtor's Avatar pdxrealtor 03:50 PM 07-02-2014
What does that do to the resolution.
ScottJ's Avatar ScottJ 05:11 PM 07-02-2014
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You'd have to rip them as TnB or SbS (half-resolution) files.
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What does that do to the resolution.
Really?
pdxrealtor's Avatar pdxrealtor 05:12 PM 07-02-2014
Lol... sorry... multi=tasking. I'll study up on the info you gave me. Thanks much!
joesiv 02:40 PM 07-18-2014
I'm not sure if this is the best place to ask, but I didn't find an official Dune Smart series thread.

Lately my wife has been on me to have the ability to playback all our home videos. We have a lot, they're either MP4 (Sanyo Xacti), MTS (Canon M400), and MOV (iphone).

Over the years, I've tried several different streamers, I've had a PCH for many years, I found that to be quite buggy, and the networking to be very finicky to my DLNA stuff on my Win 7 Home Prem box. I've also tried DLNA from my Panasonic Smart TV, and DLNA from my Sony BD player, those seems to have compromises, either in codec support, or performance (stuttering) even running over gigabit ethernet.

Anyways, I was looking into getting a WD TV, when I started hearing about the Dune Smart Series, though I don't really rip BD's, from what I gather it's one of the more well put together (and stable) media streamers for local content.

I purchased a used Smart B1 off ebay recently, it's yet to arrive. I would have prefered a H1 or D1, but the price was reasonable compared to the D1's that are currently available. I already have a BD player, and since the Dune's BD player is nothing special (and not updated anymore), I don't think I'll ever use it.

I have a few questions:
  1. 1) For my use cases (not using MKV's or ISO's, just .MP4, MTS, MOV) is the B1 going to be a reasonable choice for streaming over ethernet? I realy need some WAF, since the PCH and other options I've tried failed miserably lol
  2. 2) Does anyone know if it's possible to remove the BD Drive out of the Dune, and just install an SATA HDD into it, making it effectively a H1 without the hot swapping. Obviously I'd have to get the drive in there and not shifting around and shorting anything out. But in theory, the firmware should support it right?
  3. 3) For some of my iphone videos we taped them upside down... Does the Dune have the ability to rotate video, or can it detect it and correct it automatically (some players can, maybe from metadata). I want to avoid transcoding if at all possible.

Right now, I'm not 100% sure if the Dune SMART B1 was a good choice given my usecase, since it's not really supported anymore. Any help with my questions would be greatly appreciated!
joesiv 12:12 PM 07-25-2014
I took delivery of my Dune Smart B1. Smaller and deeper than I was anticipating

Some initial impressions:
- Great build quality, the metal casing is quite nice compared to the all plastic popcornhour A-200 I had previously.
- UI is easy to navigate, and I love the remote, it makes navigating easy since it's well integrated with the UI
- Wow, upgrading/downgrading firmwares is super easy, all done through the UI, even shows beta firmwares, never had an appliance that was this easy to downgrade, or install betas
- Connectivity via DLNA to my computer was spotty. Streamed MTS files fine, but failed at .MOV's and MP4's.
- Installing a System Software drive was a bit strange, maybe my cheapie 8GB drive wasn't playing nice, took forever to attempt to set it up, and eventually failed.
- Setting up a HDD on it was a bit odd. After formatting, you need to reboot before you can use the drive, and then once you enable system software on it, it partitions it, and then again you need to format it (partition 2/2 to get it working again, and don't forget to reboot again)
- I had some initial problems with FTPing into the dune, but I think that was due to the HDD not being formatted correctly, and not realizing that I needed to go into that drives folder (it was permissions problems, as I was trying to write to the root folder).

Btw, in response to my questions I had in the previous post:
1) Streaming MP4, and MOV's was bad via DLNA, maybe it was my windows 7 causing isues though, MTS was ok, however when run locally, they they ran perfect, though some really old WMV's that I had encoded didn't play video, only audio.
2) Removing BD Drive and replacing it with an internal SATA drive... The BD Drive is easy to remove with a narrow screw driver, pop off the lid and front panel, and there are 4 screws that hold the drive in place. Putting in an internal drive however was a bit of a hassle (as you'd expect given I didn't have any mounting hardware that comes with the H1/D1). I had plans to just use the bottom plate of another 5.25" disk drive as a mounting plate, however, I quickly realized that the B1 is actually narrower than 5.25", so the plate didn't fit. But with some creative cutting, I made a suitable plate with risers that could be screwed in, and had clearance to not touch anything. I then hot glued in a tooless HDD bracket from an old dell desktop case. The next problem was the power connector for the BD drive was not standard, so I had to hack/solder a real SATA power plug, with the dune power connector on the other end. Once that was all done, the Dune recognised it, and powered everything fine! I'm quite happy, I threw in a WD Green 2TB, and it is playing local content very well!
3) Haven't hit one of those files yet, we'll see I guess.

Anyways, So far I'm happy with the performance, stability, and interface on the Dune.
pdxrealtor's Avatar pdxrealtor 06:55 PM 08-07-2014
Has anyone noticed that firmware B6 has more audio dropouts compared to a newer B8 version?
mecmec's Avatar mecmec 08:15 AM 08-08-2014
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Has anyone noticed that firmware B6 has more audio dropouts compared to a newer B8 version?
i am not sure i have EVER had an audio drop out with my dune...network issue?...
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