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1. you can easily setup an unraid with 1 data and 1 parity. I have no idea what format your existing drives are in so I can't answer your data migration question but more likely leave them where they are and migrate the data over the network.
2. pre-clear happens in the background so you DONT have to take unraid offline to add a disk.
3. can windows read unraid drives. no, not natively and I dont know of reiserFS IFS for windows but it might exist but unlikely.
4. There are tons of downsides to unraid just as there are lots upsides. Which server solution will works best for you is all a function of what your priorities are. you certainly can use a UPNP server with unraid though without the need for another machine. Whether its acheivable based on your level of experience or tolerance for exploration and time spent is another question all together.

unraid can share via SMB and also NFS although I find NFS support weak. AFP is also supported in 5.0

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1. Drives are currently NTFS. Sounds like I need to buy 1 new HD and re-use my parity drive then copy over files before adding old drives one at a time.
4. I'm pretty tech savy, and dont mind the time in exploration, but i know essentially nothing about Linux (isn't that the base for UnRaid?) How difficult is it to set up UPnP on UnRAID? Are there instructions out there?
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Here's what I have with ClownBD-created ISOs:

For movies that require forced subs (Godfather, Kill Bill, District 9, etc), I press Select from the menu screen and the movie starts playing with the forced subs enabled. If I want full subtitles, I press the Subtitle button to select them.

For the rest of the movies that don't need forced subs, I press Select from the menu screen and the movie starts playing with no subtitles enabled. If I want full subtitles, I press the Subtitle button to select them.

This all works exactly how I want it to work. When watching a movie, I don't have to know or care that the movie has forced subs. (Ripping is sometimes a different story.) And I always have the full subs available when I want them.

It sounds like MKV can be made to work this way too, if I put the forced subs as internal and the full subs as external and enable internal subs as default. (Or vice versa.) I didn't know that. That's kind of awesome.

Yep, that is how it can work if you want it to.

You can even take the approach a step further. Let's say you have a family member that needs closed captions. You can put forced subs external and closed caption track internal. I always recommend you keep the most complete tracks internal, less to recreate if you lose a file, plus most forced subs come from the full track, so you can use a program like subrip to easily recreate a lost external forced track. But if you only keep forced subs and no other, make those internal.

Anyway, lets say you primarily watch TV in a media room, but the person who needs the closed captioning usually watches in the bedroom. You can set the bedroom Dune up to default to the internal track, but the media room Dune to default to the external track. So you always get forced subs, with the option of a full track. They always get the full track with the option of just forced subs. Something you can't do with ISO's.
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Correct regarding BR Folder structures, I just keep subtitles shut off on the Dune. If there are forced subtitles they appear (which is the only time I would ever need subs). The fact that the Dune does not respect the forced subtitle flag in mkvs makes BR Folder structures a better option IMO.

I have a mix of both mkv and folder structure, but have been using more folder structure rips (just main movie) and have had zero issues with playback. I think a lot of issues folks had with playback of folder rips was BD Live being enabled with full disc rips (and honestly it is not fair to compare this to an mkv as if the user is ripping the full disc then an mkv is not an option anyhow). Both structures/containers work great, and if HDI could actually wake up and add chapter support (like just about every media player already does) and adds support for forced subtitle flags (such as the Boxee Box and PHC) then they make a very compelling player for mkvs. The other issue with forced subtitle flags is that if you use MakeMKV is does not flag forced subtitles as forced, so for mkvs I prefer to use an mkvmerge solution
Well, Dune is toying with chapter support (I suspect it will be in the next upgrade) but I haven't seen anything indicating they are looking it implementing the forced flag.

I agree about mkvmerge vs MakeMKV. However, I ripped a BD with MakeMKV that had forced subs. It did not set the forced flag and it did not set the sub as English (undefined). I just loaded the MKV in merge and remuxed it with the correct flags set. It took 37 seconds to remux a 19GB BD rip.

So if you have been using MakeMKV, its pretty easy to set the flags correctly once Dune does add support.
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Well, Dune is toying with chapter support (I suspect it will be in the next upgrade) but I haven't seen anything indicating they are looking it implementing the forced flag.

I agree about mkvmerge vs MakeMKV. However, I ripped a BD with MakeMKV that had forced subs. It did not set the forced flag and it did not set the sub as English (undefined). I just loaded the MKV in merge and remuxed it with the correct flags set. It took 37 seconds to remux a 19GB BD rip.

So if you have been using MakeMKV, its pretty easy to set the flags correctly once Dune does add support.
I forget exactly what the reason was why the MakeMKV developers do not flag forced subtitles as forced (I think all it does is flag them as default). Given that up until now there was very little support for the forced subtitle flag maybe it was never a priority to seriously address.

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1. Drives are currently NTFS. Sounds like I need to buy 1 new HD and re-use my parity drive then copy over files before adding old drives one at a time.
4. I'm pretty tech savy, and dont mind the time in exploration, but i know essentially nothing about Linux (isn't that the base for UnRaid?) How difficult is it to set up UPnP on UnRAID? Are there instructions out there?
Setting up a UPnP on UnRAID is easy and there are instructions on their wiki. That said, setting it up and tuning it for your particular hardware and network are two different things. I wasn't an entirely newb to Linux. I used Unix workstations back between 1994-1998 and then never used them since. So I was pretty out of date, but came up to speed on Linux in a few months of using unRAID. I'm by no means an expert, but I'm pretty comfortable playing in that sandbox.

I found setup with default settings to be easy for PS3 Media Server, but tuning for best performance (especially with on the fly transcoding) to sometimes be hair pulling. For my own unRAID, I just ended up throwing a quad core (even though I honestly think unRAID is only using two of those based on my syslog) with 4 GB of RAM and a house that is entirely a Gigabit network. So tuning wasn't really required. But I've helped setup uPnP on older processors with only 1GB RAM, and running Fast Ethernet and it can be a pain to get everything tuned up and working smoothly.

You can also use YAREG to read ReiserFS on a Windows machine. So you can copy data off unRAID back to your windows PC if needed.

I believe you can also install a parity and data drive and have unRAID setup those. You can then install a NTFS/FAT formatted drive from your windows machine, and copy from that drive to the unRAID data drive.

http://www.lime-technology.com/wiki/...m_a_NTFS_drive
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FYI, as an update, we have signed up as factory direct from Icy Dock and Super Talent for Dune purposes. I have 50 icy docks on way, 20 8GB ST SSD drives, 30 Super Talent internal SSD 2.5" to 3.5" converters (for D1 for instance, the hot swaps you'd nee an icy dock), 100 high speed super small USB sticks (the PICOs) for internal or external use. I also have large quantities of 2TB low heat hard drives coming as well. I committed to buying a ton to get the price low.
Finally, because we are an authorized distributor, HDI is sending us a bunch of their "Warranty Void if Removed" stickers so we can apply them after any upgrades so it is clear your warranty is intact.
e-commerce should be live by Monday (I hope), with basic players without upgrades (at MAP pricing) and then the various optional upgrades and accessories.
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Also, forgot, we have 2 custom rackmount shelves in production. 1 for the max/duo and 1 that will hold 2 smart units side-by-side with about 2" in between as a gap (although the gap isn't air its faceplate of course). Both are 2U and keep the player feet on and intact.
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Okay,

Need some help guys. I have owned a PCH A-110 for about 2 years on my main system, and in general am pretty happy with it. Almost all movies play back, although occasionally there is a fluke, and usually all I need to do is change the audio settings.

Just got a new set up for the bedroom.
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I am not happy with the LG BD570 since it seems to only play about 60% of the MKV files I have on my server. Bought it in the hopes of saving some money...Soooo........

I am thinking of either adding a PCH A210 or the simplest version of Dune Smart D1, to stream all my files, or return my LG, and get something else, possibly a Dune with BD, which I assume is a HD Smart B1, or a PCH C200

I am unclear as to whether the Dune will play ALL files, i.e, all MKVs regardless of encoding, as well as Vob,, mpg, VC-1, wmv, m2ts, etc.????

Also, what is the risk that Dune implements a FW upgrade that uses Cinavia or something else to block ripped file playback since they have a BD player on board the Dune Smart BD1???
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Need some help guys. I have owned a PCH A-110 for about 2 years on my main system, and in general am pretty happy with it. Almost all movies play back, although occasionally there is a fluke, and usually all I need to do is change the audio settings.

Just got a new set up for the bedroom.
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I am not happy with the LG BD570 since it seems to only play about 60% of the MKV files I have on my server. Bought it in the hopes of saving some money...Soooo........

I am thinking of either adding a PCH A210 or the simplest version of Dune Smart D1, to stream all my files, or return my LG, and get something else, possibly a Dune with BD, which I assume is a HD Smart B1, or a PCH C200

I am unclear as to whether the Dune will play ALL files, i.e, all MKVs regardless of encoding, as well as Vob,, mpg, VC-1, wmv, m2ts, etc.????

Also, what is the risk that Dune implements a FW upgrade that uses Cinavia or something else to block ripped file playback since they have a BD player on board the Dune Smart BD1???

I have yet to come across a "typical" file that the Dune does not play. I think possibly I have seen some people post that JPEG motion MOV (created from a camcorder) doesn't work, but otherwise all my local content (BluRay mkvs, BluRay Folder Rips, avi, mp4, DVD Folder, VC-1, H264, HD Audio) all play fine (you can see my D1 review here)

As far as Cinavia it is anyones guess. However, keep in mind that firmware for the Dune and PCH is not forced on the user, so worse case you simply don't upgrade your firmware (not an issue for me since as things currently stands playback is fine and any firmware tweaks would definitely not offset having Cinavia)

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To backup what Damian said, the Dunes play everything I have well. I have ~500 or so movies in my collection and I haven't encountered anything that doesn't work. The D1 works well enough that I can't imagine choosing to upgrade the firmware to a version with Cinavia. It's too good as is to ever make that a consideration. If you rip movie only there's no need to ever update firmware to play the latest title.
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To backup what Damian said, the Dunes play everything I have well. I have ~500 or so movies in my collection and I haven't encountered anything that doesn't work. The D1 works well enough that I can't imagine choosing to upgrade the firmware to a version with Cinavia. It's too good as is to ever make that a consideration. If you rip movie only there's no need to ever update firmware to play the latest title.

I have never ripped a movie of my own, so all these years my collection consists of various codecs etc. I agree that if you rip its easy to settle in on one format and go
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All this talk about the format of the BD rip and nobody mentions m2ts? Is there a downside? I don't have Dune yet, but I'm planing to buy one. Is there a problem with m2ts on Dune?

In my BD ripping process (with DVDfab/anyDVD) I just use TSMUXER to remux/assemble main movie only (don't need/want anything else) with the streams that I want/need (subs/audio) in m2ts file format.

No problem with M2TS or TS that I have seen so far. All my movies are TS and HD camcorder footage in M2TS.
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Ok, then, how about BR disc playback on the B1???

I just got done watching Toy Story 3 on BR disc on my LG BD570, at 24 FPS, and saw the effects of skipping, etc.....

does the Dune do this????? if so then I will get a Sony for BR playback and a Dune for streaming network files
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I found setup with default settings to be easy for PS3 Media Server, but tuning for best performance (especially with on the fly transcoding) to sometimes be hair pulling. For my own unRAID, I just ended up throwing a quad core (even though I honestly think unRAID is only using two of those based on my syslog) with 4 GB of RAM and a house that is entirely a Gigabit network. So tuning wasn't really required. But I've helped setup uPnP on older processors with only 1GB RAM, and running Fast Ethernet and it can be a pain to get everything tuned up and working smoothly.

You can also use YAREG to read ReiserFS on a Windows machine. So you can copy data off unRAID back to your windows PC if needed.

I believe you can also install a parity and data drive and have unRAID setup those. You can then install a NTFS/FAT formatted drive from your windows machine, and copy from that drive to the unRAID data drive.

http://www.lime-technology.com/wiki/...m_a_NTFS_drive

My only reason for wanting uPnP on the box is for serving music catagorized by metadata tag. I use Zapiti for 99% of my video files from shares. So, no need for transcoding. I would hope the setup doesn't require much tweaking. The box I"m using is is pretty basic, Athalon II Dual Core 3.0 Ghz with 4 GB Ram. Inexpensive Biostar MB ( I did add an Intel NIC), but for strictly sharing files it seems to be doing fine running Windows 7, so I wouldnt think unRAID would be a problem.

So is a uPnP server built into the software? Or do you have to add something?

Correct me if I'm wrong but unRaid will only allow you to have 1 parity drive? There isn't a setting for two parity drives so you can have 2 drive fault protection? Not important now, but if i got 6 or so drives in an array, I could see wanting it.
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I am looking to but a dune but trying to work out if the max is worth the extra money over the B1. I think I would only use the HDD for a short period of time but not really needed.
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I have never ripped a movie of my own, so all these years my collection consists of various codecs etc. I agree that if you rip its easy to settle in on one format and go

So how do you get your movies?

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Ok, then, how about BR disc playback on the B1???

I just got done watching Toy Story 3 on BR disc on my LG BD570, at 24 FPS, and saw the effects of skipping, etc.....

does the Dune do this????? if so then I will get a Sony for BR playback and a Dune for streaming network files

What exactly are "the effects of skipping" you are referring to?

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I am looking to but a dune but trying to work out if the max is worth the extra money over the B1. I think I would only use the HDD for a short period of time but not really needed.

You can put a hard drive in either the D1 or H1 so you could use one of those for the short time you needed the HDD.

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My only reason for wanting uPnP on the box is for serving music catagorized by metadata tag. I use Zapiti for 99% of my video files from shares. So, no need for transcoding. I would hope the setup doesn't require much tweaking. The box I"m using is is pretty basic, Athalon II Dual Core 3.0 Ghz with 4 GB Ram. Inexpensive Biostar MB ( I did add an Intel NIC), but for strictly sharing files it seems to be doing fine running Windows 7, so I wouldnt think unRAID would be a problem.

So is a uPnP server built into the software? Or do you have to add something?

Correct me if I'm wrong but unRaid will only allow you to have 1 parity drive? There isn't a setting for two parity drives so you can have 2 drive fault protection? Not important now, but if i got 6 or so drives in an array, I could see wanting it.

PS3 media server is an add on you would have to install.

There is currently only one parity drive in unraid. However, with unraid even if you lose two drives simultaneously, you would only lose the data on those two drives since unraid doesn't employ striping whereas in a typical raid array, you would lose everything. That said, people have been asking for the ability for two parity drives and I would like it as well. I'm sure they're looking into it.

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So how do you get your movies?

Friends lend me their various ripped files from their libraries rather than lend me their discs
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What exactly are "the effects of skipping" you are referring to?

Watching Alice in Wonderland in 24fps, and all of a sudden the movie jumps ahead, apparently to another chapter, the chapter identification appears at the bottom of the screen then goes away...and the movie continues to play.

This happened about 4 times.
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Ok, then, how about BR disc playback on the B1???

I just got done watching Toy Story 3 on BR disc on my LG BD570, at 24 FPS, and saw the effects of skipping, etc.....

does the Dune do this????? if so then I will get a Sony for BR playback and a Dune for streaming network files

Perhaps I should have paraphrased this.....does the Dune B1 have any problems with high quality BR playback at 24, 60 fps?? or under any other conditions???? And therefore is it a better way to go than buying an inexpensive Sony BR player and getting the D1???
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Friends lend me their various ripped files from their libraries rather than lend me their discs

Otherwise known as stealing. There is no legal way to make a copy and lend it to someone. How do you give it back?

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Watching Alice in Wonderland in 24fps, and all of a sudden the movie jumps ahead, apparently to another chapter, the chapter identification appears at the bottom of the screen then goes away...and the movie continues to play.

This happened about 4 times.

This is either a disc problem or a player problem. No player should behave that way in normal operation with good discs. Something is broken there. It is not a problem inherent to certain players.

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This is either a disc problem or a player problem. No player should behave that way in normal operation with good discs. Something is broken there. It is not a problem inherent to certain players.

hmmm.ok. I will try another disc from Red Box to see what happens.
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PS3 media server is an add on you would have to install.

There is currently only one parity drive in unraid. However, with unraid even if you lose two drives simultaneously, you would only lose the data on those two drives since unraid doesn't employ striping whereas in a typical raid array, you would lose everything. That said, people have been asking for the ability for two parity drives and I would like it as well. I'm sure they're looking into it.

Is there a "how to" write up on installing PS3 on unRaid? I haven't really looked so will be searing around tonight.

For anyone out there with more than 6 SATA drives (havne't seen a MB with more than 6 ports)... What type of ad on controller are you using for the additional ports? I am at 6 total drives now, and everything I've looked at seems to be a $20 cheapy (1.5 Gbps or terrible ratings) or $500-$1000 RAID card. Isn't there a decent 3.0Gbps add on SATA Controller out there?
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Is there a "how to" write up on installing PS3 on unRaid? I haven't really looked so will be searing around tonight.

For anyone out there with more than 6 SATA drives (havne't seen a MB with more than 6 ports)... What type of ad on controller are you using for the additional ports? I am at 6 total drives now, and everything I've looked at seems to be a $20 cheapy (1.5 Gbps or terrible ratings) or $500-$1000 RAID card. Isn't there a decent 3.0Gbps add on SATA Controller out there?

I have one of these:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...9&Tpk=SAT2-MV8

and one of these:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...1358&Tpk=SASLP

This gives me an additional 16 drive capacity and the cards have been rock solid to date.

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I have one of these:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...9&Tpk=SAT2-MV8

and one of these:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...1358&Tpk=SASLP

This gives me an additional 16 drive capacity and the cards have been rock solid to date.

I love those! I have 8 of them.
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I have one of these:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...9&Tpk=SAT2-MV8

and one of these:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...1358&Tpk=SASLP

This gives me an additional 16 drive capacity and the cards have been rock solid to date.

I have two of the second one and use a SAS to 4 SATA breakout cable for my fifth drive plane.

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Is there a "how to" write up on installing PS3 on unRaid? I haven't really looked so will be searing around tonight.


http://lime-technology.com/forum/index.php?topic=3072.0

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