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Imagine if Denon, Pioneer or Marantz played that game
You're conflating device types. I'll imagine that you mean AVRs and note that they can accept many digital inputs but they only output a single analog audio format (ignoring impedance) and a small number of video formats (YCC, RGB or S-video).
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You're conflating device types. I'll imagine that you mean AVRs and note that they can accept many digital inputs but they only output a single analog audio format (ignoring impedance) and a small number of video formats (YCC, RGB or S-video).
My last thought on this (and certainly not trying to be argumentative). They should specify "input formats" and "output formats".

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My last thought on this (and certainly not trying to be argumentative). They should specify "input formats" and "output formats".
Of course and I agree that they probably should provide that information. It's certainly available for my Denon AVR but the output voltages and current limits to the speakers are not bullet points on the web page -- they're buried in the back of the rather imposing user manual.

It actually surprises me that Apple put pass-through on the ATV3 page. It's the sort of detail I would expect to find in a developer document or how-we-make-it video.
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Imagine if Denon, Pioneer or Marantz played that game.... We can read all those audio formats but only output to 5.1 DD.
Yep, if I bought a blu ray player from Denon or anyone else, and it converted audio to a format that didn't contain all the data in the bitstream (like flags and meta data for Atmos), or changed the sample rate when converting to multi channel linear PCM, I would return that player and buy one that wasn't crippled in that manner.

But with ATV, unless we change ecosystems, there isn't really an alternative (except to stick with ATV3).

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or changed the sample rate when converting to multi channel linear PCM, I would return that player and buy one that wasn't crippled in that manner.

But with ATV, unless we change ecosystems, there isn't really an alternative (except to stick with ATV3).
Except that resampling is happening and, despite the fact that it can happen internally without anyone being any the wiser, people complain about Apple doing it. The Apple TV (and lots of other similar devices) can display photographs. Do people complain that those photos are mapped from one color space to another and return the device?

To be clear: I think Apple (and lots of other companies) could do better but ambiguity on the spec page is a minor issue and is not uncommon in the industry. The current decode/encode process has some real problems and it would be nice if those were fixed before Apple adds a footnote in the specs that says "All output from Apple written apps has been converted to MPCM".
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