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That's strange.

Two different things going on:

The "auto detect" appears to not like your custom choice of output. That's probably a "feature" though since you have told it what you want and it is prompting you to change, you could be forgiven for thinking it's a bug. I have found that eh ATV wants to do a new "auto detect" when I start it up as well. It is annoying but maybe useful for unsophisticated users?

The unresponsive buttons: I haven't seen this and it's probably just a hiccup. If it continues you should contact Apple support, imo.
Thanks, I did speak with them this morning and they had me disconnect everything on the Apple TV 4k, including Ethernet and HDMI cables. I haven't had the box long but this is the first time it happened. I had it set for 4k Dolby Vision up until yesterday when I changed it to 1080p SDR and this happened the following day.

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Thanks, I did speak with them this morning and they had me disconnect everything on the Apple TV 4k, including Ethernet and HDMI cables. I haven't had the box long but this is the first time it happened. I had it set for 4k Dolby Vision up until yesterday when I changed it to 1080p SDR and this happened the following day.
It will be interesting to see if the two things are related. Just because they coincided doesn't indicate a causal relationship and on the face of it it would seem like they are different parts of the unit which should be unrelated.

In a former life I did multimedia Q/A work for Apple, and even then their protocols were pretty good at sorting out such things -- which is why most of the time one might reasonably complain about feature choices but it feels far more rare for actual bugs to persist (but yes sometimes they do, of course).

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I gotcha. Is there ANY quantifiable advantage to 60Hz, though, outside of menus’ etc.? Does it affect color depth or anything else (I know you had been thinking it was more related to your receiver). I haven’t noticed any banding using 24Hz, but me noticing and it being present can be two different things, haha.


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It could cause changes to color depth indirectly. For instance, one color depth may be supported at 24 or 30 Hz, but not at 60 Hz, or vice-versa.

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It could cause changes to color depth indirectly. For instance, one color depth may be supported at 24 or 30 Hz, but not at 60 Hz, or vice-versa.


And is there any way of knowing if that’s the case? I’m just trying to understand the relationship between Chrome and refresh rate since it’s now user-controllable on the Apple TV.


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And is there any way of knowing if that’s the case? I’m just trying to understand the relationship between Chrome and refresh rate since it’s now user-controllable on the Apple TV.


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Sure, do a google image search of “hdmi color bit depth refresh rate” and you’ll see various charts of the combinations HDMI supports.

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Sure, do a google image search of “hdmi color bit depth refresh rate” and you’ll see various charts of the combinations HDMI supports.


Thanks! And are these standards that apply to all devices, or is up to the manufacturer at some point?


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All DV titles can do HDR10. There will never be a Dolby Vision title that cannot do HDR10. HDR10 always must be present.
There are different DoVi profiles and levels, which may be restricted based on the delivery format (e.g. disc or OTT). Some profiles have an SDR base layer; others are HDR.

See this Dolby document for more details.
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As long as the manufacturer follows the HDMI specification. I can’t speak to whether all of them do or not though.

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As long as the manufacturer follows the HDMI specification. I can’t speak to whether all of them do or not though.


So from what I can see, according to this site: http://www.acousticfrontiers.com/uhd-101-v2/, I would always want more bandwidth, i.e., 4:4:4. It looks like this is only possible with HDMI 2.0a (Apple TV spec) at 4k@60Hz. Am I reading this correctly?


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The content is typically delivered to the box from the provider as 4:2:0.

Somewhere between that and the actual image hitting your eyes, it is converted to 4:4:4. You display can do that. Other devices can take the content part or all the way there, such as the settings on the ATV. Which device does it better is something that needs to be tested, but one thing is for sure: If you do it BEFORE the signal gets to the display then you are increasing the bandwidth needed for the signal, which can exacerbate any problems you might have with the capability of your HDMI connections and cables.
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Thanks, I did speak with them this morning and they had me disconnect everything on the Apple TV 4k, including Ethernet and HDMI cables.
Yeah. Unplugging the Apple TV, disconnecting the TV and stepping outside and looking at the view will give the smoothest HDR image.
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The content is typically delivered to the box from the provider as 4:2:0.
Assume you are speaking of HDR10 (10bit) for which 4:2:0 will suffice . But, DV content from Netflix (and others) are delivered in 4:2:2 (12-bit). Just wanted to clear it up (or, add to the confusion?)
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Yeah. Unplugging the Apple TV, disconnecting the TV and stepping outside and looking at the view will give the smoothest HDR image.
Yeah, everyone knows that.

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ios 11 and Sound Improvement

After I updated my iPhone 6S, I noticed a sonic improvement playing aiff music files on my iPhone using the mini out jack. The improvements were in the mid range and high frequencies both which appear to be more opened, clearer and cleaner sounding. Has anyone else noticed the same or is this only in my imagination?
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Ordered my first ATV having owned Roku/FireTV/ShieldTV. I'm a little bit apprehensive on this whole forced HDR mode etc. but will find out for myself.
I'm however disappointed in the User Manuals that I have seen posted as they lack severely in detailed data. I want the Siri remote to control my Vizio 4531 soundbar. I believe that I have to use some sort of learning mode? The manual sucks and says follow the on screen prompts? Does this remote have an IR output?
Anyone used the ATV remote to hook to a soundbar?
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Didn't even unwrap my new ATV4K. Picked up a Roku Ultra for $64 from WalMart and returning my ATV after owning all of it's predecessors.
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Some of you guys are melodramatic. I'm not being an apologist, but lately every piece of new technology takes some time to get where it needs to be. My 2016 Vizio P75 TV had several months of firmware updates to enable capabilities and fix initial issues. Same for the Oppo 203. Other devices as well.

I pulled my Roku Ultra in favor of Apple TV because of months updates breaking things. Continual red flashes, audio bleeps, and HDMI purple screen errors. If you plan to run a Roku Ultra through an AVR and turn your system on from full off and expect it to stably HDMI negotiate and be usable, I give you my best hope. It never worked right through my top end AV7702mkII Marantz preamp. Not the mention that box lacks DV support.
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Some of you guys are melodramatic. I'm not being an apologist, but lately every piece of new technology takes some time to get where it needs to be. My 2016 Vizio P75 TV had several months of firmware updates to enable capabilities and fix initial issues. Same for the Oppo 203. Other devices as well.

I pulled my Roku Ultra in favor of Apple TV because of months updates breaking things. Continual red flashes, audio bleeps, and HDMI purple screen errors. If you plan to run a Roku Ultra through an AVR and turn your system on from full off and expect it to stably HDMI negotiate and be usable, I give you my best hope. It never worked right through my top end AV7702mkII Marantz preamp. Not the mention that box lacks DV support.
I had the same issue with there updates breaking HDCP and giving the purple screen. What's worse is that their support is downright horrible. They insisted it was a hardware problem (not the software update that triggered it) and required I send the box back, paying for the shipping myself, and giving me a new box. Didn't fix it. It was unusable for some months until the next software update came out. Still have handshake issue but now at least I know the work around is to turn everything off and then turn it all back on.
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Didn't even unwrap my new ATV4K. Picked up a Roku Ultra for $64 from WalMart and returning my ATV after owning all of it's predecessors.
So, you had to post this in two different threads just so we'd know Sorry you're unhappy with and it's your choice but good luck with the Roku as i'm sure you'll be satisfied. You bought it in the other thread for $74 and here you posted $64, which is it cause that's a good deal if it is the Ultra.
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I want the Siri remote to control my Vizio 4531 soundbar. I believe that I have to use some sort of learning mode? The manual sucks and says follow the on screen prompts? Does this remote have an IR output?

Anyone used the ATV remote to hook to a soundbar?

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Yes, the remote has an IR emitter, but it can also control via HDMI. I connect my ATV to all kinds of devices when I travel and it always just works. No programming required. But I’ve never connected it to a sound bar. Does the sound bar support CEC? Have you tried it?

At home my ATV remote controls my TV and AVR without any special setup, I assume it detects the device via HDMI EDID.



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My 4K is waiting in customs in Hong Kong at the moment. Despite all the negativity on this thread, I'm looking forward to it's arrival, and trust Apple to work out the kinks via updates. I was just talking to my wife about how ten years ago, if a piece of electronics didn't work as expected out of the box, it would be a non-purchase or quick return, but now that everything is connected to the internet, changes can be made on the fly, and I have no qualms about my purchase.
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I gotcha. Is there ANY quantifiable advantage to 60Hz, though, outside of menus’ etc.? Does it affect color depth or anything else (I know you had been thinking it was more related to your receiver). I haven’t noticed any banding using 24Hz, but me noticing and it being present can be two different things, haha.


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How do you see info for what the movie or show is playing at? For example, I want to watch a Dolby vision hdr. Do I need to Force that in the settings menu to get that output? I?m trying John wick.
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anyone experience poor audio quality on the new Vudu app?

I tried a movie on Vudu app on apple tv, poor sound quality (think low bitrate mp3)
Tried a different movie, poor sound quality

switched over to Netflix on apple tv, audio was fine

switched over to Vudu on my bluray player, audio was fine

anyone else?
I have a new atv 4K and I am getting horrendous sound quality on my Vudu app. I thought maybe it was the atv cause what I “tested” on Netflix wasn’t much better however it was Narcos 8 used so maybe someth8 go with more action. I watched scenes from Deadpool on VUDU and it was very flat and muffled.
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The vudu app is having trouble on ATV4 and ATV5 in general at present.

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The content is typically delivered to the box from the provider as 4:2:0.



Somewhere between that and the actual image hitting your eyes, it is converted to 4:4:4. You display can do that. Other devices can take the content part or all the way there, such as the settings on the ATV. Which device does it better is something that needs to be tested, but one thing is for sure: If you do it BEFORE the signal gets to the display then you are increasing the bandwidth needed for the signal, which can exacerbate any problems you might have with the capability of your HDMI connections and cables.


So, theoretically, if I choose 4:4:4 on my Apple TV, I’m getting the best possible picture it can deliver (barring any performance issues from my HDMI connection)? I’m assuming so long as I have the bandwidth, the higher the Chroma, the better?


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Maybe.

If the tv is better at the chromo sampling then, no.

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