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shadow_cruiser's Avatar shadow_cruiser 11:46 PM 12-30-2010
I'm found a temporary fix until WD addresses this issue. You can see the fix here (last post)

http://community.wdc.com/t5/WD-TV-Li...es/td-p/100820

hal90002010's Avatar hal90002010 12:03 AM 12-31-2010
http://community.wdc.com/t5/WD-TV-Li...es/td-p/100820


Re: Live Hub won't see updated shares
Options

"2 weeks ago

I had the same problem, the easiest way to make it see the changes is to go into the network settings, go to the workgroup, go in, dont do any changes and click on submit, it will restart the network stack on the Hub and all is good."

That is a slick fix.
zamzickles's Avatar zamzickles 12:33 AM 12-31-2010
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Originally Posted by WDFan1970 View Post
New FW just came out... 2.03.24. User provided XML works!!!! Weeee!!
OK, i'll throw my noobie arms up in a surrender jesture. I get the impression
we should we able to implement great things with XML support. I just know what. Gurus unite and ~splain whats new!!!!

Tanks alot.
hal90002010's Avatar hal90002010 12:39 AM 12-31-2010
Custom Made Movie Sheets to start with,

XML
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XML XML.svg
Filename extension .xml
Internet media type application/xml,[1] text/xml[2] (deprecated in an expired draft[3])
Uniform Type Identifier public.xml
Developed by World Wide Web Consortium
Type of format Markup language
Extended from SGML
Extended to Numerous, including:
XHTML, RSS, Atom
Standard(s) 1.0 (Fifth Edition) November 26, 2008; 2 years ago (2008-11-26)
1.1 (Second Edition) August 16, 2006; 4 years ago (2006-08-16)
Open format? Yes
Extensible Markup Language (XML) Current Status Published
Year Started 1996
Editors Tim Bray, Jean Paoli, C. M. Sperberg-McQueen, Eve Maler, Fran├žois Yergeau, John Cowan
Related Standards XML Schema
Domain Data Serialization
Abbreviation XML
Website XML 1.0

Extensible Markup Language (XML) is a set of rules for encoding documents in machine-readable form. It is defined in the XML 1.0 Specification[4] produced by the W3C, and several other related specifications, all gratis open standards.[5]

XML's design goals emphasize simplicity, generality, and usability over the Internet.[6] It is a textual data format with strong support via Unicode for the languages of the world. Although the design of XML focuses on documents, it is widely used for the representation of arbitrary data structures, for example in web services.

Many application programming interfaces (APIs) have been developed that software developers use to process XML data, and several schema systems exist to aid in the definition of XML-based languages.

As of 2009[update], hundreds of XML-based languages have been developed,[7] including RSS, Atom, SOAP, and XHTML. XML-based formats have become the default for most office-productivity tools, including Microsoft Office (Office Open XML), OpenOffice.org (OpenDocument), and Apple's iWork.[8]

You did ask,

It gives us a platform to make a web paged located in/on the HUB itself to tell us info about our files in or associated with THE HUB!

But that is only the start. We can make a GUI to control any DLNA device connected to our home net. No mater who makes the device.

Example use the hub remote to control the TV, or a bluray player or play a web based game on the hub, Play HULU (don't tell hulu).

But I am very very sure that most of us will just use it to create, MOVIE SHEETS.

I can't believe it, the HUB has not even been out Three months yet.
mrlittlejeans's Avatar mrlittlejeans 06:43 AM 12-31-2010
Mkv's containing a Dolby TrueHD track still won't stream to the Hub with the new firmware.
Mfusick's Avatar Mfusick 07:13 AM 12-31-2010
I have one of these... I really should hook it up and learn to use it.

What can you do with it ?
Charles R's Avatar Charles R 10:27 AM 12-31-2010
Looks like the Best Buy exclusive has ended... my local Fry's has roughly two dozen on hand (same price $199).
ptsenter's Avatar ptsenter 11:49 AM 12-31-2010
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Originally Posted by mrlittlejeans View Post

Mkv's containing a Dolby TrueHD track still won't stream to the Hub with the new firmware.

This statement is too generic.

Have you tried to go deeper: what codec used as opposed to m2ts's? What load on you network? Maybe your mkv is too taxing for your network.
mrlittlejeans's Avatar mrlittlejeans 12:18 PM 12-31-2010
I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "what codec used as opposed to m2ts's". I use Clown_BD and mkvmerge to create the mkv's. All are rips of my bluray collection and the problem exists on every one that contains a TrueHD track regardless of the video codec in the file (VC-1 or MP4). The problem doesn't exist for any other mkv's that do not contain a Dolby TrueHD track and the mkv's themselves play fine if saved on the internal drive. If I use Clown_bd and txmuxer to create an m2ts file with the same underlying files as made the mkv, the file will stream fine. There was a suggestion to use DVDFab to create the mkv which yielded the same results.

The network can handle the traffic. It is a full gigabit network. The files play fine on my Dune D1's. Much higher bit rate files that do not contain a Dolby TrueHD track like Saving Private Ryan stream perfectly to the Hub.

Thanks for your assistance. I would like to figure out this problem. If you have any mkv's that contain a Dolby TrueHD source, could you try to stream them to your Hub and see if they play?
zamzickles's Avatar zamzickles 02:13 PM 12-31-2010
"Hal90002010"

Thanks for the info. I understand both the concept and implementation of XML since I have written web pages in HTML (it's lesser cousin). The are many scrapers and collection management programs that implement xml. Since 'moki' already does it's own scraping, how and where is the new xml and images placed to override and replace the internal mode of menus and images.

That's the meat of the question.
98_1LE's Avatar 98_1LE 02:49 PM 12-31-2010
From the limited experience I have since updating to the new FW last night, the xml for mkv are put in the same folder. If you have multiple mkv's in a folder; it expects the jpg and xml in the same folder.

For DVD folder structure backups, it puts them in the top level directory, with the AUDIO_TS & VIDEO_TS folders.

For BD folder structure backups, it puts them in the BDMV/STREAM folder, naming them the same as the m2ts file.


Some examples:
DVD
root@unraid:/mnt/user/xXx# ls | fmt -1
AUDIO_TS/
VIDEO_TS/
xXx.jpg*
xXx.xml*



MKV
root@unraid:/mnt/user# ls -l | grep -v ^d
total 165323661
-rwx------ 1 root root 32792 Dec 31 07:40 BRUNO.jpg*
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 16709938948 Dec 14 13:28 BRUNO.mkv
-rwx------ 1 root root 2281 Dec 31 07:40 BRUNO.xml*
-rwx------ 1 root root 41258 Dec 31 07:46 CLASH\\ OF\\ THE\\ TITANS\\ (2010).jpg*
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 19483242840 Dec 13 22:23 CLASH\\ OF\\ THE\\ TITANS\\ (2010).mkv
-rwx------ 1 root root 4933 Dec 31 07:46 CLASH\\ OF\\ THE\\ TITANS\\ (2010).xml*
-rwx------ 1 root root 32276 Dec 31 08:03 HOT\\ TUB\\ TIME\\ MACHINE\\ (2010).jpg*
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 27769644474 Dec 13 22:10 HOT\\ TUB\\ TIME\\ MACHINE\\ (2010).mkv
-rwx------ 1 root root 3789 Dec 31 08:03 HOT\\ TUB\\ TIME\\ MACHINE\\ (2010).xml*
-rwx------ 1 root root 35105 Dec 31 08:07 IRON\\ MAN\\ 2\\ (2010).jpg*
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 31589335274 Dec 13 17:22 IRON\\ MAN\\ 2\\ (2010).mkv
-rwx------ 1 root root 9011 Dec 31 08:07 IRON\\ MAN\\ 2\\ (2010).xml*
-rwx------ 1 root root 36621 Dec 31 08:19 ROLE\\ MODELS.jpg*
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 25628183722 Dec 14 01:49 ROLE\\ MODELS.mkv
-rwx------ 1 root root 3411 Dec 31 08:19 ROLE\\ MODELS.xml*
-rwx------ 1 root root 38771 Dec 31 08:21 SHERLOCK\\ HOLMES.jpg*
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 22897580721 Dec 14 02:15 SHERLOCK\\ HOLMES.mkv
-rwx------ 1 root root 4043 Dec 31 08:21 SHERLOCK\\ HOLMES.xml*
-rwx------ 1 root root 34301 Dec 31 08:33 TAKEN.jpg*
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 25048015393 Dec 14 02:03 TAKEN.mkv
-rwx------ 1 root root 4219 Dec 31 08:33 TAKEN.xml*



BD
root@unraid:/mnt/user# find GET\\ SMART\\ \\(2008\\)/
GET SMART (2008)/
GET SMART (2008)/BDMV
GET SMART (2008)/BDMV/JAR
GET SMART (2008)/BDMV/BDJO
GET SMART (2008)/BDMV/META
GET SMART (2008)/BDMV/STREAM
GET SMART (2008)/BDMV/STREAM/00700.m2ts
GET SMART (2008)/BDMV/STREAM/00700.jpg
GET SMART (2008)/BDMV/STREAM/00700.xml

GET SMART (2008)/BDMV/PLAYLIST
GET SMART (2008)/BDMV/PLAYLIST/00000.mpls
GET SMART (2008)/BDMV/index.bdmv
GET SMART (2008)/BDMV/AUXDATA
GET SMART (2008)/BDMV/CLIPINF
GET SMART (2008)/BDMV/CLIPINF/00700.clpi
GET SMART (2008)/BDMV/MovieObject.bdmv
GET SMART (2008)/BDMV/BACKUP
GET SMART (2008)/BDMV/BACKUP/JAR
GET SMART (2008)/BDMV/BACKUP/BDJO
GET SMART (2008)/BDMV/BACKUP/PLAYLIST
GET SMART (2008)/BDMV/BACKUP/PLAYLIST/00000.mpls
GET SMART (2008)/BDMV/BACKUP/index.bdmv
GET SMART (2008)/BDMV/BACKUP/CLIPINF
GET SMART (2008)/BDMV/BACKUP/CLIPINF/00700.clpi
GET SMART (2008)/BDMV/BACKUP/MovieObject.bdmv
GET SMART (2008)/CERTIFICATE
GET SMART (2008)/CERTIFICATE/BACKUP
zamzickles's Avatar zamzickles 03:36 PM 12-31-2010
98_1LE,

Very well constructed examples. I haven't had the opportunity to play around with it yet, but now I understand the concept. (despite the unix commands).

Thanks,
hal90002010's Avatar hal90002010 04:38 PM 12-31-2010
zamzickles,

Hey Took a shot in the dark, could not tell from the post that this info would make you a fairly dangerous man.

The owners manual Describes the manual way to do this in great detail.
hal90002010's Avatar hal90002010 04:41 PM 12-31-2010
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USER MANUAL!!!!!!!!!

http://www.wdc.com/wdproducts/librar...779-705046.pdf

Hello again.
hal90002010's Avatar hal90002010 05:17 PM 12-31-2010
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proliance's Avatar proliance 11:00 AM 01-01-2011
I've had the Live Hub for about 24 hrs now and it doesn't look like it fits my needs for watching recorded TV.

I record over-the-air TV to my main pc (Win7 pro) and they are moved automatically to my Windows Home Server. I've seen the work arounds to get the Live Hub to recognize .wtv files on Win7, but I need them to be read from my WHS box.

Converting them to .dvr-ms is a poor substitute because my server is a low-powered dual Atom processor box. It takes about 30 minutes or longer to convert an hour long show recorded in HD. It takes about 6-7 minutes to convert a tv show on my pc.

This was bought to replace an older xbox 360 which works ok. Since my server doesn't do Windows Media Center I have to turn on my Win7 pc, my server, and my clunky xbox360. Its a little slow, noisy, power hungry and non-hdmi, but it works. If I have to convert every TV show before I can watch it using the WD TV Hub its not going to be worth the time and effort.

I'm feeling a little grumpy this morning because I thought this was going to work. I love the internal storage, the interface and the way it streams my dvd's from my server. But it looks like the best choice may be to trade this in for an xbox 360 for the same price.

*heading over to xbox 360 forum to get their opinions
reecycup's Avatar reecycup 12:59 PM 01-01-2011
down loaded the new firmware and installed it
Lost all my down loaded pics
2600 dvds and blu-rays
hal90002010's Avatar hal90002010 04:58 PM 01-01-2011
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Originally Posted by 98_1LE View Post

If you have your media on a NAS, make it read write before updating to the 2.03.24 firmware. If you do not, your media library will be discarded. If you do, it will be migrated from the medadata folder to the folders the movies are in.

hope this helps
farnlc's Avatar farnlc 07:27 PM 01-01-2011
I have this player that I am using to connect an external HD with .mkv files on it. Last night I was watching one of my movies and about an hour into the movie it stuttered then froze completely to the point that I had to unplug the unit. I started it back up and started at the chapter BEFORE the freeze and the movie played just fine so I know the encode is fine. Is this common for this player? Is there anything I can do differently?

I'm also in the process of ripping my HD-DVD collection to .mkv and some movies are fine and others have severe stuttering. I read somewhere to mux? it to .ts file, but when I do that the stuttering goes away but it's like the movie is in fast forward mode at like 1.1 times speed, just fast enough to notice...


Can anyone help??
98_1LE's Avatar 98_1LE 07:34 PM 01-01-2011
That happened to mine once when new, and it has never happened since. It has been streaming 1080p for several hours straight now and hasn't skipped a beat.
mrlittlejeans's Avatar mrlittlejeans 08:14 PM 01-01-2011
Do the mkv's that severely stutter happen to contain Dolby TrueHD tracks while the ones that don't have a TrueHD track play fine?

.ts and .m2ts files are much larger than the equivalent .mkv so I use .mkv's. The problem I have found is that any .mkv's that have a Dolby TrueHD track as an available soundtrack stutter severely when not played off of the internal hard drive.

.m2ts files play fine though if they contain a Dolby TrueHD track although you shouldn't have a speed issue there unless it was burned with a different frame rate parameter. Maybe it was remuxed as 25fps?
shadow_cruiser's Avatar shadow_cruiser 09:49 PM 01-01-2011
Now that the live hub supports user generated metadata, can someone recommend a program for WDTV's XML format. I tried Thumbgen but after comparing the XML from Thumbgen to Live Hub, they are very much different
hal90002010's Avatar hal90002010 11:36 PM 01-01-2011
A wild shot in the dark try DVDFAB for all you MKV needs .

Wash Rinse Repeat.
just_visiting's Avatar just_visiting 01:47 AM 01-02-2011
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Originally Posted by shadow_cruiser View Post
My hub has been collecting dust for a few months now, mainly due to one thing. The hub does not auto-refresh your library like the WDTV Live. Lets say I add a movie to my drive. I have to unplug the hub, plug it back it in and it will do a forced refresh. On the Live, I can just exit the shares to the homescreen, go back into my shares and I will see the new file. Anyone know when they will implement this feature from the Live?
I have the same problem. I'm thinking of getting the new Oppo 95 to replace this WD Hub in the spring. It'll replace my BD player too.
reecycup's Avatar reecycup 06:28 AM 01-02-2011
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Originally Posted by hal90002010 View Post
hope this helps
made sure first, seen it here

Plus it still has hidden files, cause you still cant change the name
WDFan1970's Avatar WDFan1970 07:08 AM 01-02-2011
I can't make a specific recommendation, Shadow, but from what I've seen, there's only ONE difference between NFO and the Hub format: NFO uses the tag PLOT, and Hub wants it to be OVERVIEW.

All the Other stuff is just ignored, so it poses no danger.

I wrote my own program to scrape data from TheTVDB.com and convert it, but it's in Perl and most people don't have any idea how to use Perl... (I've never written a UI in my life, so it's kludgy, but it pulled 1800 some-odd records in about 20 minutes... )
slimoli's Avatar slimoli 10:31 AM 01-02-2011
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Originally Posted by just_visiting View Post

I have the same problem. I'm thinking of getting the new Oppo 95 to replace this WD Hub in the spring. It'll replace my BD player too.

The Oppo will never support .iso files, only reason I keep my WD-LIVE+.
shadow_cruiser's Avatar shadow_cruiser 12:11 PM 01-02-2011
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Originally Posted by WDFan1970 View Post

I can't make a specific recommendation, Shadow, but from what I've seen, there's only ONE difference between NFO and the Hub format: NFO uses the tag PLOT, and Hub wants it to be OVERVIEW.

All the Other stuff is just ignored, so it poses no danger.

I wrote my own program to scrape data from TheTVDB.com and convert it, but it's in Perl and most people don't have any idea how to use Perl... (I've never written a UI in my life, so it's kludgy, but it pulled 1800 some-odd records in about 20 minutes... )

The problem is, I have 1100 .mkv files, I can't imagine how long it will take to change every single XML from PLOT to OVERVIEW.

I wanted to use the "Get Content Info" for each file but the Live Hub renames the files after the XML is created. All my files are named "Big Lebowski, The". As you can see, this will disorganize my collection. Ah, these are the times I wish I knew script writing:S
WDFan1970's Avatar WDFan1970 12:27 PM 01-02-2011
Shadow: Unfortunately, the User-Generated XML will NOT replace the title. The Title Tag is there, but the hub ignores it right now... I'm hoping they change that behavior... but it sounds like it would actually do you a favor by not replacing it...
pjtgrizzly's Avatar pjtgrizzly 12:52 PM 01-02-2011
Anyone have any experience in using this with a large music library? As in 20,000+ files? I currently have the WD TV Live (not hub) and find the music navigation clunky in terms of speed of navigation, interface when playing, visualization options etc. Thus I find myself going back to my original Xbox with XBMC.

Does WD TV Live Hub support smart/dynamic playlists, Random play on all music files? Multiple visualization options? Preferences to prevent screen burn (for those with older tv's)? Is navigation screaming fast AND smooth without any "hold on - reading from disc" indicators? Can you navigate folder structure effectively and elegantly (I tend to avoid library modes - I know where my stuff is)?

I looked all over youtube and can't find anyone showing the interface during music playback (other than one dude who had like 5 albums) and scrolling through hundreds of folders. I know Squeezebox and Sonos are the kings in this area for true audiophiles but I can't quite see dropping $300 for an audio streamer only. I know Boxee Box music playback is basic now with a "promise" that it may get better in the indeterminate future. Looking into this as a potential option.
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