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hifiaudio2's Avatar hifiaudio2 08:51 AM 11-19-2013
Oh..now that I reread that I see. Its saying that some discs differ from others. I have thought it meant SOME subs were forced, SOME were hardcoded, etc, all on the same disc.

hifiaudio2's Avatar hifiaudio2 08:57 AM 11-19-2013
Folllow up question on a different movie. That same site says Olympus has fallen has "29 forced captions in main subtitle track". If all I want are the forced ones, how do I extract these to make a subtitle file of only these forced ones? Or do I have to just leave that entire subtitle track intact and hope whatever I am playing them back on can recognize it? I assume MPC-HC could recognize the flag, but Mede8er would not? So how could I rip these subs to make them always show, but only be the forced ones? Again, this is ripping to a M2Ts file (to keep HD audio compatibility with my Oppo, which does not keep this in MKV).
GusGus748s's Avatar GusGus748s 09:07 AM 11-19-2013
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Folllow up question on a different movie. That same site says Olympus has fallen has "29 forced captions in main subtitle track". If all I want are the forced ones, how do I extract these to make a subtitle file of only these forced ones? Or do I have to just leave that entire subtitle track intact and hope whatever I am playing them back on can recognize it? I assume MPC-HC could recognize the flag, but Mede8er would not? So how could I rip these subs to make them always show, but only be the forced ones? Again, this is ripping to a M2Ts file (to keep HD audio compatibility with my Oppo, which does not keep this in MKV).

For Mede8er all you can do is include the forced sub track only and set the subs to always on.
dbone1026's Avatar dbone1026 09:09 AM 11-19-2013
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For Mede8er all you can do is include the forced sub track only and set the subs to always on.

^ This. There is no other way with the Mede8er (and of course the PITA with this solution, you either have to keep subtitles on and shut off manually if they are present in other movies that you don't need, or you have to remember which movie has forced subs and turn on then)
Killroy's Avatar Killroy 09:15 AM 11-19-2013
There is another method... two sub tracks. The first one is either empty or forced and the second one is the full. That way you always keep subs on but if you need full subs you can switch to the second track.
hifiaudio2's Avatar hifiaudio2 09:16 AM 11-19-2013
Ok, hmm... so lets throw mede8er out for the time being and concentrate on making M2ts rips that play well with any HTPC, DLNA, and the Oppo 93. If this is the case, should I just make sure the forced box is only grayed, not checked, in ClownBD and simply rip the correct subtitle track?

Thanks for the quick help so far!
GusGus748s's Avatar GusGus748s 09:25 AM 11-19-2013
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Ok, hmm... so lets throw mede8er out for the time being and concentrate on making M2ts rips that play well with any HTPC, DLNA, and the Oppo 93. If this is the case, should I just make sure the forced box is only grayed, not checked, in ClownBD and simply rip the correct subtitle track?

Thanks for the quick help so far!

Unfortunately, ClownBD will not flag the forced sub title track all the time. Therefore, you will have to used something else such as MKVMerge to flag it. I don't used ClownBD anymore. I only use MakeMKV and / or MKVMerge, and I can flag the correct force sub, which my Dune D1, PC and Plex media player can't recognize and play. In the rare occasion that MakeMKV can rip the BD, I then used ClownBD to make a Folder structure BD rip. I then use the MPLS file + MKVMerge to make am MKV file and keep chapters.
dbone1026's Avatar dbone1026 09:31 AM 11-19-2013
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Unfortunately, ClownBD will not flag the forced sub title track all the time. Therefore, you will have to used something else such as MKVMerge to flag it. I don't used ClownBD anymore. I only use MakeMKV and / or MKVMerge, and I can flag the correct force sub, which my Dune D1, PC and Plex media player can't recognize and play. In the rare occasion that MakeMKV can rip the BD, I then used ClownBD to make a Folder structure BD rip. I then use the MPLS file + MKVMerge to make am MKV file and keep chapters.

I still stick with my Clown_BD + mkvmerge process. It at least gives me a chance to look at the sub files before moving over to mkvmerge. The only disc I ever ran into issues with was Avatar where somehow eac3to would have the wrong timecodes for the forced subs (MakeMKV was able to get correct)
hifiaudio2's Avatar hifiaudio2 10:02 AM 11-19-2013
Thanks again guys. So in the above example, "29 forced captions in main subtitle track", just an a exercise to learn something, is there a way to extract JUST those 29 forced captions into their own forced sup file that ends up being the only sup file I mux into the final M2ts?
dbone1026's Avatar dbone1026 10:05 AM 11-19-2013
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Thanks again guys. So in the above example, "29 forced captions in main subtitle track", just an a exercise to learn something, is there a way to extract JUST those 29 forced captions into their own forced sup file that ends up being the only sup file I mux into the final M2ts?

Throw that sub file into BDSup2Sup and have it export just the forced captions
hifiaudio2's Avatar hifiaudio2 10:07 AM 11-19-2013
Ah OK -- cool. And then just make a new sup file, label it *_forced.sup put instructions into the meta file to use it for the mux and thats it?
ScottJ's Avatar ScottJ 10:46 AM 11-19-2013
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Ah OK -- cool. And then just make a new sup file, label it *_forced.sup put instructions into the meta file to use it for the mux and thats it?

This is exactly what ClownBD does automatically if the forced subs box is grey (not empty, but not checked).
hifiaudio2's Avatar hifiaudio2 11:06 AM 11-19-2013
Oh smile.gif

So on that rip, if I gray that box and then go look in the demux folder, it should have made its own filed called *_forced.sup and added it to the meta file?
dbone1026's Avatar dbone1026 11:08 AM 11-19-2013
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Oh smile.gif

So on that rip, if I gray that box and then go look in the demux folder, it should have made its own filed called *_forced.sup and added it to the meta file?

Yes, works most of the time
GusGus748s's Avatar GusGus748s 11:14 AM 11-19-2013
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Oh smile.gif

So on that rip, if I gray that box and then go look in the demux folder, it should have made its own filed called *_forced.sup and added it to the meta file?

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Yes, works most of the time

It won't do *_forced.sup all the time.
ScottJ's Avatar ScottJ 12:26 PM 11-19-2013
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Oh smile.gif

So on that rip, if I gray that box and then go look in the demux folder, it should have made its own filed called *_forced.sup and added it to the meta file?

Exactly.

As others have pointed out, this works 99% of the time. On that last 1% of your rips, you'll be missing forced subs, and might not even realize it. That's why I always look at every sub track by hand after the demux step, just to verify that any forced subs were properly identified, and fix things up if not.
mifronte's Avatar mifronte 01:14 PM 11-19-2013
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I don't use eac3to to rip straight from disc. I use anydvd to decrypt then use tsmuxer to rip the movie off the bluray onto my hdd as an m2ts. I then rip out the thd using eac. Doing it this way has never produced any kind of corrupted audio file, seamless branching or not.

Edit* I would never rip dts/thd to PCM. If anything you might as well go flac as nothing will be gained but file size when going to PCM.

PCM over FLAC for higher playback compatibility since support for PCM is a BD specification. I am not sure about FLAC.
DotJun's Avatar DotJun 02:34 AM 11-20-2013
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PCM over FLAC for higher playback compatibility since support for PCM is a BD specification. I am not sure about FLAC.
Oh I keep forgetting that not everyone uses the same player I do 😊 you are of course correct.
DotJun's Avatar DotJun 02:49 AM 11-20-2013
Has anyone checked out x265? I know it's in its infancy but it looks very promising.
Alx330's Avatar Alx330 04:08 AM 11-20-2013
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Has anyone checked out x265? I know it's in its infancy but it looks very promising.

Personally I don't think there is much to it.

The primary benefit of H.265 is that it cuts the bitrates required by H.264 for the same level of quality which is big boon for internet streaming media but for local storage where space & network speeds aren't really that much of an issue it doesn't matter as much.

Also the people who made x264 the best H.264 encoder out there have nothing to do with x265, a company jumped on the name then open sourced their H.265 encoder hoping to emulate the success and profit from the x264 name.
hifiaudio2's Avatar hifiaudio2 11:13 AM 11-20-2013
Does Clone BD always produce h264 video? I notice that all of my m2ts rips say they are h264, but I assume at least some of the discs would have been VC1, etc.
dbone1026's Avatar dbone1026 11:17 AM 11-20-2013
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Does Clone BD always produce h264 video? I notice that all of my m2ts rips say they are h264, but I assume at least some of the discs would have been VC1, etc.

Do you mean Clown_BD? If so it does not touch the video, so what goes in is what comes out (whether, h264, vc1, etc....). This is similar to chinese food ...
hifiaudio2's Avatar hifiaudio2 11:19 AM 11-20-2013
Yeah sorry meant Clown. Ok thats great. My rips must just have happened to be h264. They were almost all kids movies and probably most by dreamworks or Pixar so probably all used the same now that I think about it.
Kelson's Avatar Kelson 01:32 PM 11-20-2013
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My rips must just have happened to be h264. They were almost all kids movies and probably most by dreamworks or Pixar so probably all used the same now that I think about it.
I think >95% of modern BluRays are H.264. I will see some VC-1 on movies that have small file sizes of <20GB but it is rare. One almost never sees MPEG-2 encoded BD any more except for transfers of old titles. I just ran across one the other day -- Sleepy Hollow (1999, Johnny Depp & Christina Ricci).
DotJun's Avatar DotJun 12:30 AM 11-21-2013
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Personally I don't think there is much to it.

The primary benefit of H.265 is that it cuts the bitrates required by H.264 for the same level of quality which is big boon for internet streaming media but for local storage where space & network speeds aren't really that much of an issue it doesn't matter as much.

Also the people who made x264 the best H.264 encoder out there have nothing to do with x265, a company jumped on the name then open sourced their H.265 encoder hoping to emulate the success and profit from the x264 name.
I know they haven't implemented most of x264s functions into x265, like not supporting 10 bit, but I figured that will just come in time?

Are you saying dark shakira isnt on the team?
DotJun's Avatar DotJun 12:33 AM 11-21-2013
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I think >95% of modern BluRays are H.264. I will see some VC-1 on movies that have small file sizes of <20GB but it is rare. One almost never sees MPEG-2 encoded BD any more except for transfers of old titles. I just ran across one the other day -- Sleepy Hollow (1999, Johnny Depp & Christina Ricci).
Just as disappointing are the titles that have no lossless audio like The Cabin in the Woods. Only ac3 on that one.
elario's Avatar elario 04:38 AM 11-21-2013
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I know they haven't implemented most of x264s functions into x265, like not supporting 10 bit, but I figured that will just come in time?

Are you saying dark shakira isnt on the team?

Jason (Dark Shikari) and the rest of the x264 team gave x265 a tentative blessing. They have not ruled out eventually contributing to the project provided they are satisfied with its direction and handling. They have a licence to use x264 code and algorithms so certainly some x264 features and decision making will find their way into x265

Here is what Jason said earlier in the year:
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MultiCoreWare's project is being made with the (very tentative) blessing of the x264 team. Unlike the others, as far as I know, it will actually be based on x264's source and algorithms and be a publicly developed open source project (e.g. something I could/might commit to).

In other words, it exists as an open source project because I said "yes" to it

Kelson's Avatar Kelson 06:32 AM 11-21-2013
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Just as disappointing are the titles that have no lossless audio like The Cabin in the Woods. Only ac3 on that one.
I'm not familiar with that particular title, but I have seen the studios play games with other titles. I've seen rental versions of a title that are produced without HD audio, only AC3. I've also seen commercial retail disks where if you bought the BluRay-only packaging, the title had only AC3 audio and not HD audio -- you had to buy the BD/DVD combo pack or some similar deluxe edition in order to get HD audio on the BluRay.
pepar's Avatar pepar 08:04 AM 11-21-2013
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I'm not familiar with that particular title, but I have seen the studios play games with other titles. I've seen rental versions of a title that are produced without HD audio, only AC3. I've also seen commercial retail disks where if you bought the BluRay-only packaging, the title had only AC3 audio and not HD audio -- you had to buy the BD/DVD combo pack or some similar deluxe edition in order to get HD audio on the BluRay.

I have encountered the "crippled" rentals, but never any that I bought retail ... and I purposely seek out the BD only versions when they are available.

How is everyone checking their work when the studios have played games? Watching from beginning to end? Consulting forums and other ripping resources for the experiences of others that have already traveled the path?

Jeff
dbone1026's Avatar dbone1026 08:08 AM 11-21-2013
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I have encountered the "crippled" rentals, but never any that I bought retail ... and I purposely seek out the BD only versions when they are available.

How is everyone checking their work when the studios have played games? Watching from beginning to end? Consulting forums and other ripping resources for the experiences of others that have already traveled the path?

Jeff

I just wait until I actually watch a movie to see the end result. So far I have run into maybe 2-3 bad rips (or if there was something wrong it usually happened while I was still ripping / processing on my PC)
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