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Nope.. plenty of space. I just go back and tell it the same disk / same folder and just do the playlists that it misses. Maybe a disk error. Its writing to a usb 3.0 connected drive in an 8 bay tower so who knows what kind of i/o issues could be there. That must be it.
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I continue to ask myself, "If I can do this, little old non-programmer me, can figure this out why can't the developers of DVDFab?"
Can't figure out what? Both DVDFab and Tsmuxer had to have the proper playlist be identified by you (with BDInfo). And you might as well had done this from inside DVDfab using its preview function. In my tests DVDFab has done a pretty good job of identifying the proper playlist so far.

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Is there a more efficient way to rip TV series?
Use DVDfab's ripper module with m2ts passthrough which will rip each ep to a separate m2ts . No need for Clown_BD's pointless demuxing (never had any problems with it on USB drives, though).

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Can't figure out what? Both DVDFab and Tsmuxer had to have the proper playlist be identified by you (with BDInfo). And you might as well had done this from inside DVDfab using its preview function. In my tests DVDFab has done a pretty good job of identifying the proper playlist so far.
Use DVDfab's ripper module with m2ts passthrough which will rip each ep to a separate m2ts . No need for Clown_BD's pointless demuxing (never had any problems with it on USB drives, though).
What MakeMKV problem?

I meant using MakeMKV to do TV Show episodes. That's what I use now. Single file TV episodes. I stopped using ClownBD several months ago. If by some change MakeMKV can't rip the move, then I use ClownBD + MergeMKV.biggrin.gif

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techflaws....

DVDFab V9 while offering those options, options which work with V8 by the way, do not make MKV's reliably. The V9 MKV's stutter when played back. I end up having to use a different software IF I want to consistently make reliable acceptable mkv's. Software other than DVDFab V9.

I've even done as you noted used DVDFab V9 to archive the bluray to an m2ts output and then used V8.2.2..9 to convert that m2ts to a mkv. V8 made mkv's play fine.

I've made a lot of mkv's over the last few days using several different products/processes. Only DVDFab V9 made MKV's stutter.

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MakeMKV is looking better and better.....

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I was wondering about your extra m2ts step. Once you've identified the correct playlist use MakeMKV or DVDfab 8.


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tech....

If you are asking me the only way I got to making an m2ts step was in an attempt to fix the V9 mkv stuttering.

The journey to try at least and figure out what was going on with V9 led me down several paths. One of those paths including trying other software and making one large m2ts file from a source that has multi-branched m2ts files.

V9 mkv stuttering happens even with blurays that are not multibranched. In terms of observing outcomes and testing variables making m2ts files was certainly worthwhile. I've tried several different ways that one can make mkv's with V9. All end up stuttering once made into the mkv. The m2ts file, even with the multi-branches still in place did not stutter. Input that acceptable m2ts into DVDFab V9 and turn that into an mkv, it stutters on playback. Input that acceptable m2ts file made in V9 into V8 of DVDFab and make MKV, no stuttering.

I still have no idea what V9 is doing in the mkv process. Something clearly different between V8, which works, and V9 which doesn't.

It isn't that hard to make an mkv. Something is being done with the source file on the way to the mkv.

I know, rocket scientist......

If it was the source file or my hardware I'd not see success with V8, with txmuserR, MakeMKV, etc. The only thing that is different is which software I use not the platform nor the bluray nor the bluray drive.

V9 mkv stuttering.
V8 no stutter.
TsMuxerR plus MergeMKV no stutter.
MakeMKV no stutter.

I've been hammering the multi-channel LPCM into MKV's too but that is a different issue. Figured as long as I'm learning I might as well tackle the multi-channel LPCM learning curve too.

DVDFab has not been all that friendly nor welcoming of my criticism by the way.

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MakeMKV is looking better and better.....

yeah it is.

So I was originally ripping to m2ts files only because my Oppo 93 player does not play DTS master autio / true HD from an MKV container. But if I am going to move back to HTPC use for my playback that no longer matters.

Does someone mind summarizing the pros / cons of MKV vs m2ts? From a compatibility, ease of use, features standpoint?

I know m2ts doesnt support chapters, not a big deal...

Are either more universally compatible for things like DLNA, working over android / IOS apps, etc?

Seems that actually making the MKV with makeMKV is a much easier process... does it find a flag forced subtitles as well as ClownBD / bdsup2sup does?

Other differences?


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"Does someone mind summarizing the pros / cons of MKV vs m2ts?"

For me it is about playback comparability across all the media playback devices in my little home theater network.

MKV playback is the common link for media player and bluray players that can stream like the Panasonic 500.

I don't care about chapters either. For me all that I want is the main movie and the best audio track available. I don't need subtitles either.

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I don't need subtitles either.

Yeah but we all need the forced subtitles. So the software needs to have a reliable way of getting those out.


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I've always understood that the need for subtitles makes everything a bit more complicated. I'm glad I do not need them but I do feel for the folks that do.

Edit: I also don't do forced subtitles. I find them distracting and prefer to get a sense of what is going on by watching the movie. I worked in foreign countries doing medical relief for some time. You learn to understand what is being "said" by all kinds of means other than spoken language.

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A little off topic, but is there any downside to storing all media / Blu ray rips, etc in a true NAS vs usb attached drive bays or direct attached drives? I am strongly considering investing in an 8 bay Synology product but wanted to make sure there isn't a red flag for compatibility or sharing by doing this. I think those things are only going to be enhanced by a true nas, but want to be sure...


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I feed my PIVOS AIOS and the bluray players used as media playback devices via NAS drives over my home network. I have no issues doing so.

I would not try such with the typical USB attached to a network setups. Typically we're talking USB 2.0.

The new routers are coming with USB 3.0 ports and are designed to feed the network off the USB 3.0 attached drive. If I had one of those routers I'd probably at least try it and see how it worked.

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Ha - just messed around with MakeMKV a little... yeah... about 1000% quicker and easier... has me asking "What's the catch?"

Does it do a decent job of subtitle selection when just selecting "forced" subtitles? Or at least a job on par with ClownBD using BDsup2sup?


I am assuming for movies with known difficult forced subs its an involved process no matter which you choose.... but that "most" movies have their forced subs extracted with no extra intervention?


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So far I've seen no indication that Clown_BD is better at identifying forced subs that are stored in a separate track with no item flaggd as forced.


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There's yet one more of a series of "released" versions of DVDFab today. They've taken all the meaning out of the concept of "released"....

Will be trying it momentarily for the mkv ripping.

Will be pleasantly surprised if it works like it is supposed to.

Edit: Nope, Avengers MKV output playback quite jerky. Same disk, same equipment, V8.2.2.9 MKV output playback smooth and enjoyable.

No one paid any attention to this MKV issue for V9. I don't get it.

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Just finished test with same disk and MakeMKV and yep, play back is fine. Just needed to confirm it for myself.

Same outcome.

V9 made MKV playback jerky and unacceptable.
V8 made MKV playback is fine.
MakeMKV made MKV playback is fine.

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Why rip the whole disc to hdd then combine the branch I to a single file using tsmuxer? Why not point tsmuxer to the playlist file on disc instead so you only have one process instead of two?
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I have to deal with the copy protection some how.

TSMuxerR does not make MKV's so I have to use something to do so.

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Like I wrote before: once you've identified the right playlist you can rip it with MakeMKV and be done with it.


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I have to deal with the copy protection some how.

TSMuxerR does not make MKV's so I have to use something to do so.
I don't use makemkv so I don't know if it decrypts the disc or not. I let anydvd do that for me so I'm able to load the playlist into tsmuxer and rip what I want.
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I don't use makemkv so I don't know if it decrypts the disc or not. I let anydvd do that for me so I'm able to load the playlist into tsmuxer and rip what I want.

MakeMKV does decrypts.

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Do you now have to pay for Makemkv after the trial is over? That's what their website seems to indicate now. I thought it was in perpetual beta.


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As I understand it as long as MakeMKV is the beta version there is a way to avoid paying for it. However if one is using it, should be paying for it.

AnyDVD is probably where I'm headed once my DVDFab licenses expire. However with LPCM mult-channel audio I have been reading TSMuxer has an issue if size of the audio file gets past a certain size.

I don't know as I'm not using it, just reading and learning.

I tired the FLAC setting with MakeMKV and it converts the WAV LPCM track to FLAC. Playback as long as I don't hit FF/REW is fine. Still stalls or lockups with if I attempt to FF/REW.

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...Edit: Nope, Avengers MKV output playback quite jerky. Same disk, same equipment, V8.2.2.9 MKV output playback smooth and enjoyable.

Which playback device(s) are you using? It's possible that the differences between DVDFab V8 and V9 are only affecting certain playback devices (especially as some people can't reproduce your problem). I'm interested because I have the paid version of DVDFab (although I've only used V8 so far), and I was planning to switch to MKVs since Oppo BD players no longer play BD ISOs.
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