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post #4681 of 6194 Old 12-23-2013, 05:20 PM
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I think he was saying he noticed NO dropouts.

He asked for timestamps to look for them...you can't since the drops are random.
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That's the problem. The issue is at random times. You can rip it twice and both times the audio drops will be in different places.

Then it doesn't have anything to do with the track or how it's ripped. It's your playback setup that is dropping the audio. Which is why most people don't get any dropouts.

I just ripped Monsters U today with eac3to and MakeMKV and neither one had any dropouts.

edit: funny movie by the way. I thought I was going to blow $16 on this experiment but it's worth owning biggrin.gif
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Then it doesn't have anything to do with the track or how it's ripped. It's your playback setup that is dropping the audio. Which is why most people don't get any dropouts.

I just ripped Monsters U today with eac3to and MakeMKV and neither one had any dropouts.

edit: funny movie by the way. I thought I was going to blow $16 on this experiment but it's worth owning biggrin.gif

Then why does it only affect TrueHD and no other audio format? It wasn't only MU... several other movies have he same problem and the only thing in common is TrueHD. If you convert them to FLAC they playback fine.
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Then why does it only affect TrueHD and no other audio format? It wasn't only MU... several other movies have he same problem and the only thing in common is TrueHD. If you convert them to FLAC they playback fine.

I guess it could be a Dune issue. I think most of us experiencing problems are using Dune Players. It's not a real problem for me anymore, I just convert all TrueHD titles to FLAC.

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I guess it could be a Dune issue. I think most of us experiencing problems are using Dune Players. It's not a real problem for me anymore, I just convert all TrueHD titles to FLAC.

I think I have heard/read about PCH and some standard players also with the actual disc.
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I also ripped Monster U. I used DVD Fab to do a full disk rip to my HDD then used Clown_BD to extract the main title into a single BD.m2ts and put it on my server. The BD.m2ts contained the Video stream and only the True HD audio stream. When I played it by streaming on my WD Live-SMP the audio paused at every segment join point. I then used TSmuxer to remux the BD.m2ts with the same outcome -- audio skipping at every segment join.

Finally I used TSMuxer on the full disk rip to extract the main title instead of Clown_BD. Same result -- audio drops at segment joins. Not random drops, always at the segment joins.

This is the first and only title in my collection with TrueHD that has audio drops.

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What happens when you guys try to play it on some software player just on your PC?
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I also ripped Monster U. I used DVD Fab to do a full disk rip to my HDD then used Clown_BD to extract the main title into a single BD.m2ts and put it on my server. The BD.m2ts contained the Video stream and only the True HD audio stream. When I played it by streaming on my WD Live-SMP the audio paused at every segment join point. I then used TSmuxer to remux the BD.m2ts with the same outcome -- audio skipping at every segment join.

Finally I used TSMuxer on the full disk rip to extract the main title instead of Clown_BD. Same result -- audio drops at segment joins. Not random drops, always at the segment joins.

This is the first and only title in my collection with TrueHD that has audio drops.[/quote

I need to play my BD of Total Recall (remake) with my Oppo outputting PCM. I get pops on the TrueHD track. That's the disc; I have not ripped it.

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I think he was saying he noticed NO dropouts.
That's correct. I've now watched once and listened a second time using headphones with no audio drop out. Are these drop outs very noticeable? Like, whole words missing?
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Then why does it only affect TrueHD and no other audio format? It wasn't only MU... several other movies have he same problem and the only thing in common is TrueHD. If you convert them to FLAC they playback fine.
Maybe the playback device is having an issue decoding thd? Can you try playing a file that you know has dropouts, MU with thd for example, using mpc-hc and it's own internal codecs?
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Maybe the playback device is having an issue decoding thd? Can you try playing a file that you know has dropouts, MU with thd for example, using mpc-hc and it's own internal codecs?

I don't have a PCs hooked up to any AVRs. I'll check to see if anyone reported that though.
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So with MakeMKV I get the following messages when creating an MKV from my Iron Man 2 disc... is this of any consequence or worth re ripping with ClownBD to get rid of these issues?

Saving 1 titles into directory F:/Video/Iron_Man_2_Disc_1
AV synchronization issues were found in file 'F:/Video/Iron_Man_2_Disc_1/Iron_Man_2_Disc_1_t01.mkv' (title #2)
AV sync issue in stream 1 at 0:03:08.688 with duration of 4.291ms : encountered overlapping frame, audio skew is +4.833ms
AV sync issue in stream 1 at 0:05:39.047 with duration of 9.458ms : encountered overlapping frame, audio skew is +14.291ms
AV sync issue in stream 1 at 0:05:39.061 with duration of 10.666ms : 1 frame(s) dropped to reduce audio skew to +3.625ms
AV sync issue in stream 1 at 0:06:05.031 with duration of 10.375ms : encountered overlapping frame, audio skew is +14ms
AV sync issue in stream 1 at 0:06:05.045 with duration of 10.666ms : 1 frame(s) dropped to reduce audio skew to +3.333ms
AV sync issue in stream 1 at 0:15:44.818 with duration of 9.791ms : encountered overlapping frame, audio skew is +13.125ms
AV sync issue in stream 1 at 0:15:44.832 with duration of 10.666ms : 1 frame(s) dropped to reduce audio skew to +2.458ms
AV sync issue in stream 1 at 0:16:18.852 with duration of 3.333ms : encountered overlapping frame, audio skew is +5.791ms
AV sync issue in stream 1 at 0:22:21.465 with duration of 1.083ms : encountered overlapping frame, audio skew is +6.875ms
AV sync issue in stream 1 at 0:22:42.861 with duration of 0.958ms : encountered overlapping frame, audio skew is +7.833ms
AV sync issue in stream 1 at 0:36:08.749 with duration of 10.25ms : encountered overlapping frame, audio skew is +18.083ms
AV sync issue in stream 1 at 0:36:08.768 with duration of 10.666ms : 1 frame(s) dropped to reduce audio skew to +7.416ms
AV sync issue in stream 1 at 0:36:15.548 with duration of 6.875ms : encountered overlapping frame, audio skew is +14.291ms
AV sync issue in stream 1 at 0:36:15.562 with duration of 10.666ms : 1 frame(s) dropped to reduce audio skew to +3.625ms
AV sync issue in stream 1 at 0:47:54.162 with duration of 9.416ms : encountered overlapping frame, audio skew is +13.041ms
AV sync issue in stream 1 at 0:47:54.176 with duration of 10.666ms : 1 frame(s) dropped to reduce audio skew to +2.375ms
AV sync issue in stream 1 at 0:48:21.440 with duration of 8.083ms : encountered overlapping frame, audio skew is +10.458ms
AV sync issue in stream 1 at 0:58:53.780 with duration of 1.291ms : encountered overlapping frame, audio skew is +11.75ms
AV sync issue in stream 1 at 0:58:53.792 with duration of 10.666ms : 1 frame(s) dropped to reduce audio skew to +1.083ms
AV sync issue in stream 1 at 0:59:09.629 with duration of 1.5ms : encountered overlapping frame, audio skew is +2.583ms
AV sync issue in stream 1 at 1:10:44.698 with duration of 2.625ms : encountered overlapping frame, audio skew is +5.208ms
AV sync issue in stream 1 at 1:12:13.245 with duration of 7.875ms : encountered overlapping frame, audio skew is +13.083ms
AV sync issue in stream 1 at 1:12:13.258 with duration of 10.666ms : 1 frame(s) dropped to reduce audio skew to +2.416ms
AV sync issue in stream 1 at 1:12:47.404 with duration of 6.208ms : encountered overlapping frame, audio skew is +8.625ms
AV sync issue in stream 1 at 1:13:34.410 with duration of 2.708ms : encountered overlapping frame, audio skew is +11.333ms
AV sync issue in stream 1 at 1:13:34.421 with duration of 10.666ms : 1 frame(s) dropped to reduce audio skew to +0.666ms
AV sync issue in stream 1 at 1:24:13.381 with duration of 4.333ms : encountered overlapping frame, audio skew is +5ms
AV sync issue in stream 1 at 1:25:03.348 with duration of 6.75ms : encountered overlapping frame, audio skew is +11.75ms
AV sync issue in stream 1 at 1:25:03.360 with duration of 10.666ms : 1 frame(s) dropped to reduce audio skew to +1.083ms
AV sync issue in stream 1 at 1:33:36.027 with duration of 3.833ms : encountered overlapping frame, audio skew is +4.916ms
AV sync issue in stream 1 at 1:34:35.878 with duration of 9.875ms : encountered overlapping frame, audio skew is +14.791ms
AV sync issue in stream 1 at 1:34:35.893 with duration of 10.666ms : 1 frame(s) dropped to reduce audio skew to +4.125ms
AV sync issue in stream 1 at 1:35:10.413 with duration of 4.166ms : encountered overlapping frame, audio skew is +8.291ms
AV sync issue in stream 1 at 1:35:26.429 with duration of 5.333ms : encountered overlapping frame, audio skew is +13.625ms
AV sync issue in stream 1 at 1:35:26.442 with duration of 10.666ms : 1 frame(s) dropped to reduce audio skew to +2.958ms
AV sync issue in stream 1 at 1:47:17.931 with duration of 6.875ms : encountered overlapping frame, audio skew is +9.833ms
AV sync issue in stream 1 at 1:47:37.409 with duration of 10.208ms : encountered overlapping frame, audio skew is +20.041ms
AV sync issue in stream 1 at 1:47:37.429 with duration of 10.666ms : 1 frame(s) dropped to reduce audio skew to +9.375ms
AV sync issue in stream 1 at 1:49:22.806 with duration of 0.375ms : encountered overlapping frame, audio skew is +9.75ms
AV sync issue in stream 1 at 1:49:35.277 with duration of 9.208ms : encountered overlapping frame, audio skew is +18.958ms
AV sync issue in stream 1 at 1:49:35.296 with duration of 10.666ms : 1 frame(s) dropped to reduce audio skew to +8.291ms
AV sync issue in stream 1 at 1:54:10.176 with duration of 1.708ms : encountered overlapping frame, audio skew is +10ms
AV sync issue in stream 1 at 1:54:34.492 with duration of 4.041ms : encountered overlapping frame, audio skew is +14.041ms
AV sync issue in stream 1 at 1:54:34.506 with duration of 10.666ms : 1 frame(s) dropped to reduce audio skew to +3.375ms
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Well I just started ripping Blu Ray yesterday and all is going well. I use MakeMKV for the rip and then Handbrake to get them into an ATV compatible format. I experimented using Goodfellas to test quality and must say that the ATV2 preset in Handbrake with a couple of tweaks gets me files of 3-4.5GB depending on film length. At my viewing distance on any of our 4 TV's the resulting file looks as good to me as the original Blu Ray. The TV used for testing is a 50in Pioneer Kuro which I sit about 10ft from. I had to get to about 4ft from the screen to be able to see the difference and I'm 20/20 uncorrected.

The beauty of it is that I get the great picture quality and what I consider the best user interface on every TV in the house. In addition I can get a couple hundred movies on our meager 2TB Synology NAS. Very happy with the results.

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Well I just started ripping Blu Ray yesterday and all is going well. I use MakeMKV for the rip and then Handbrake to get them into an ATV compatible format. I experimented using Goodfellas to test quality and must say that the ATV2 preset in Handbrake with a couple of tweaks gets me files of 3-4.5GB depending on film length. At my viewing distance on any of our 4 TV's the resulting file looks as good to me as the original Blu Ray. The TV used for testing is a 50in Pioneer Kuro which I sit about 10ft from. I had to get to about 4ft from the screen to be able to see the difference and I'm 20/20 uncorrected.

The beauty of it is that I get the great picture quality and what I consider the best user interface on every TV in the house. In addition I can get a couple hundred movies on our meager 2TB Synology NAS. Very happy with the results.

File sizes of 3GB - 4.5GB Doesn't seem like much compression. After stripping out all of the extras and unneeded audio tracks, my files are about that size. I don't use Handbrake or any compression.

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File sizes of 3GB - 4.5GB Doesn't seem like much compression. After stripping out all of the extras and unneeded audio tracks, my files are about that size. I don't use Handbrake or any compression.

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For Blu-ray feature films? I'm seeing 20-40GB uncompressed.

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For Blu-ray feature films? I'm seeing 20-40GB uncompressed.

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Oops! Yes yes, I am obviously not completely awake yet.

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For Blu-ray feature films? I'm seeing 20-40GB uncompressed.

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Well even the 20-40 was compressed.

I have a handful of bit for bit Blu-rays on my drive among the mkvs. I picked a movie from the movie wall and took notice how good it looked. Sure enough after going to file view it was one of the few bit for bit Blu-rays.
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Well even the 20-40 was compressed.

I have a handful of bit for bit Blu-rays on my drive among the mkvs. I picked a movie from the movie wall and took notice how good it looked. Sure enough after going to file view it was one of the few bit for bit Blu-rays.



Yeah the original file size after stripping out everything but the main movie and a 5.1 core audio along with a 2.0 audio track is 10-16GB using Make MKV. Handbrake with the ATV2 preset tweaked a little(720P) get's it down to 3-4.5GB. When I used the ATV3 preset(1080P) the file size was double at 6-10GB. I know on larger screens it wouldn't look that great, but it works for me.

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Well I just started ripping Blu Ray yesterday and all is going well. I use MakeMKV for the rip and then Handbrake to get them into an ATV compatible format. I experimented using Goodfellas to test quality and must say that the ATV2 preset in Handbrake with a couple of tweaks gets me files of 3-4.5GB depending on film length. At my viewing distance on any of our 4 TV's the resulting file looks as good to me as the original Blu Ray. The TV used for testing is a 50in Pioneer Kuro which I sit about 10ft from. I had to get to about 4ft from the screen to be able to see the difference and I'm 20/20 uncorrected.

The beauty of it is that I get the great picture quality and what I consider the best user interface on every TV in the house. In addition I can get a couple hundred movies on our meager 2TB Synology NAS. Very happy with the results.
If you can figure out how to use the advanced command line portion of handbrake I can give you a simple tweak to see if it's any better than the parameters you're using. Pm me if interested.
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If you can figure out how to use the advanced command line portion of handbrake I can give you a simple tweak to see if it's any better than the parameters you're using. Pm me if interested.

Do you think it's possible to script it to recompress a set of videos so as to reduce the video to 720 but keep the soundtrack as high def?
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Do you think it's possible to script it to recompress a set of videos so as to reduce the video to 720 but keep the soundtrack as high def?
Of course, just resize the video and passthrough the audio.
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...so I take it that it's impossible to move/minimize/hide the gray bar that Clown_BD throws up when it starts processing streams? It ALWAYS gets in the way of the tabs I have opened in my browser.
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Yeah, that's what immediately annoyed me when testing the software, the fact that it demuxed everything was the last straw wink.gif

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Yeah, that's what immediately annoyed me when testing the software, the fact that it demuxed everything was the last straw wink.gif

I guess I missed the context here, but what is wrong with demuxing or perhaps what you really mean, REmuxing?

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Ok that was painful. Just got done listening to monsters U on multiple software players with the thd track using multiple apps to rip the thd out and remuxed back to mkv and... No dropouts. The players used heir own internal codecs and those that didn't have the proper codecs, LAV was used. I suppose I could have tested ffdshow to be complete but it was time for me to go home.

My conclusion is that it is a hardware player issue, which I don't use so I cannot test. Maybe thd is more intensive than flac to decode?
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Ok that was painful. Just got done listening to monsters U on multiple software players with the thd track using multiple apps to rip the thd out and remuxed back to mkv and... No dropouts. The players used heir own internal codecs and those that didn't have the proper codecs, LAV was used. I suppose I could have tested ffdshow to be complete but it was time for me to go home.

My conclusion is that it is a hardware player issue, which I don't use so I cannot test. Maybe thd is more intensive than flac to decode?

Thanks for doing all that testing.....

I'm starting to wonder if it isn't a hardware issue as well...Dunes and/or the receivers.
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Thanks for doing all that testing.....

I'm starting to wonder if it isn't a hardware issue as well...Dunes and/or the receivers.
I myself use a denon and have never experienced any sort of hiccup when bitstreaming lossless.
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I myself use a denon and have never experienced any sort of hiccup when bitstreaming lossless.

I have a Harman Kardon AVR-254 and I haven't experienced any issues with bitstreaming THD or any other audio for that matter.
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It could be the age of the receiver. Most receivers, at least up until the last couple of years, did not support firmware upgrades by the user.
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I guess I missed the context here, but what is wrong with demuxing?
For me it's a pointless additional step. With MakeMKV I go straight from m2ts to MKV, with Clown_BD I (need extra space to) go from m2ts to separate streams to mkv.

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