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kriktsemaj99's Avatar kriktsemaj99 09:25 PM 03-22-2014
DVD can use 640kbps for DD 5.1, but it hardly ever did.

primetimeguy's Avatar primetimeguy 09:28 PM 03-22-2014
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Originally Posted by kriktsemaj99 View Post

DVD can use 640kbps for DD 5.1, but it hardly ever did.

You have a link?  My thoughts and wikipedia agree on 448kbps

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolby_Digital


kriktsemaj99's Avatar kriktsemaj99 06:53 AM 03-23-2014
It may not be standard, but a 640kb/s track was included on some DVDs. They were usually music videos, e.g. this one. Not all equipment would play those tracks.
jevansoh's Avatar jevansoh 06:53 AM 03-23-2014
Pink Floyd - Pulse concert DVD gives you a choice for 640 w/ DD. In fact, you have to select 448 or 640 before playing the disc. I'm not positive, but I believe I have a Red Hot Chili Peppers concert with the same option.

I've never seen this on any movies though.

--J
jevansoh's Avatar jevansoh 06:55 AM 03-23-2014
LOL - Great minds think alike and apparently at the same time down to the second, eh? wink.gif
primetimeguy's Avatar primetimeguy 07:00 AM 03-23-2014
Interesting, thanks guys.
elario's Avatar elario 07:43 AM 03-23-2014
It was a case that Pulse broke the specs, and not that DVD 'allowed' 640kbps AC3.
primetimeguy's Avatar primetimeguy 09:54 AM 03-23-2014
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It was a case that Pulse broke the specs, and not that DVD 'allowed' 640kbps AC3.

That appears to be the case.  DD max is 640kbps but DVD max is 448kbps although all decoders can decode up to 640kbps so it would play on DVD player.  See Dolby link below (yes it is about DD+ but it talks about the bitrate differences and specs.

 

http://www.dolby.com/uploadedFiles/Assets/US/Doc/Professional/Dolby-Digital-Plus-Technical-Paper.pdf


elario's Avatar elario 10:29 AM 03-23-2014
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That appears to be the case.  DD max is 640kbps but DVD max is 448kbps although all decoders can decode up to 640kbps so it would play on DVD player.  See Dolby link below (yes it is about DD+ but it talks about the bitrate differences and specs.
At the time of release, it would play on some DVD players and not others. That's the nature of breaking spec. There was a 448kbps AC3 track on the same disc for compatibility purposes.
olyteddy's Avatar olyteddy 10:40 AM 03-23-2014
With DVDFab being shut down, PavTube is offering their decrypter free today (3-23-14) only: http://giveaway.glarysoft.com/pavtubebytecopyv1.0-728/###
ellisr63's Avatar ellisr63 10:51 AM 03-23-2014
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With DVDFab being shut down, PavTube is offering their decrypter free today (3-23-14) only: http://giveaway.glarysoft.com/pavtubebytecopyv1.0-728/###

Thanks!
ellisr63's Avatar ellisr63 10:52 AM 03-23-2014
Is ANYDVD still available, or have they been ordered to stop too?
edorr's Avatar edorr 11:03 AM 03-23-2014
I'm new to the Blu Ray ripping game. I'm using PavTube Bytecopy for DVDs. I'm using ANYDVD for concert blu ray with lossless audio. And pavTube ByteCopy for DVDs and non-concert Blu Ray. Is there any program that allows me to extract individual titles from concert Blu Rays while ripping? I can do this with ByteCopy, but the audio will be converter to AC3. I want to keep lossless audio. Alternative is creating particles in Jriver, which is an inordinate amount of work, and not as practical as having individual tracks.
olyteddy's Avatar olyteddy 11:03 AM 03-23-2014
hogger129's Avatar hogger129 06:53 PM 03-23-2014
Won't DVDFab still work on older stuff?
jsmiddleton4's Avatar jsmiddleton4 06:57 PM 03-23-2014
DVDFab will work on newer stuff. They did not pull support/updates from existing registered owners of DVDFab. So it will work on older stuff and newer stuff as well as it has in the past.
hogger129's Avatar hogger129 07:31 PM 03-23-2014
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DVDFab will work on newer stuff. They did not pull support/updates from existing registered owners of DVDFab. So it will work on older stuff and newer stuff as well as it has in the past.

I thought they seized the domains and shut down DVDFab, like what happened with DVD Shrink?
dae3dae3's Avatar dae3dae3 07:49 PM 03-23-2014
Seizing a domain name will take someone down for a maximum of 24 hours plus however long it takes them to register a new domain name. It's a pretty useless way to try to take someone down. It would be like saying you you took down the 1-800-flowers phone number by saying they were no longer able to advertise with that name while at the same time the 1-800-356-9377 continues to work the whole time.
Killroy's Avatar Killroy 08:21 PM 03-23-2014
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I thought they seized the domains and shut down DVDFab, like what happened with DVD Shrink?

They seized the .com domain but there is NO WAY to shut them down. They just used a non-US based domain and they are back in business.
aaronwt's Avatar aaronwt 09:00 PM 03-23-2014
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Originally Posted by edorr View Post

I'm new to the Blu Ray ripping game. I'm using PavTube Bytecopy for DVDs. I'm using ANYDVD for concert blu ray with lossless audio. And pavTube ByteCopy for DVDs and non-concert Blu Ray. Is there any program that allows me to extract individual titles from concert Blu Rays while ripping? I can do this with ByteCopy, but the audio will be converter to AC3. I want to keep lossless audio. Alternative is creating particles in Jriver, which is an inordinate amount of work, and not as practical as having individual tracks.

SO what does PAVTube get me? I've been using Any DVD HD for many years now. I usually use it in conjunction with IMGBurn
edorr's Avatar edorr 11:41 PM 03-23-2014
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SO what does PAVTube get me? I've been using Any DVD HD for many years now. I usually use it in conjunction with IMGBurn

PavTube will convert video to MKV (savings lots of space) and extract titles from chapters on DVD while ripping/converting. For concert DVDs this is very practical - I want the individual tracks. However, it will not capture lossless audio formats on Blu Ray, so those I rip as ISO with Any DVD
techflaws's Avatar techflaws 12:50 AM 03-24-2014
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Originally Posted by hogger129 View Post

I thought they seized the domains and shut down DVDFab, like what happened with DVD Shrink?
DVD Shrink wasn't shut down, their host received a DCMA notice and complied. DVD Shrink is widely available still but dvdshrink himself stopped development because he "sold out" to Nero. Before, he released a German version without DeCSS which therefore is completely legal to be hosted on German sites.
aaronwt's Avatar aaronwt 06:34 AM 03-24-2014
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Originally Posted by edorr View Post

PavTube will convert video to MKV (savings lots of space) and extract titles from chapters on DVD while ripping/converting. For concert DVDs this is very practical - I want the individual tracks. However, it will not capture lossless audio formats on Blu Ray, so those I rip as ISO with Any DVD

eek.gif It's won't get the lossless audio tracks? crap. That makes it worthless to me. I downloaded it on six PCs last night thinking that I could use this as a replacement to makeMKV, but without the ability to have a lossless audio track, I have no use for it since most BDs have a lossless audio track.
scary_harry's Avatar scary_harry 06:41 AM 03-24-2014
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Originally Posted by edorr View Post

PavTube will convert video to MKV (savings lots of space) and extract titles from chapters on DVD while ripping/converting. For concert DVDs this is very practical - I want the individual tracks. However, it will not capture lossless audio formats on Blu Ray, so those I rip as ISO with Any DVD

How is converting a file to mkv saving you lots of space? Mkv is just a container. Are you also re-encoding?

Harry
Wryker's Avatar Wryker 11:42 AM 03-24-2014
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I assume you meant speedmenu? I never use that so I'm not sure what that does to the disc.inf. All I know is, when I browse to my Blu-ray drive when AnyDVD is active and a Blu-ray disc in the drive, I see directories named ANY!, BDMV, and CERTIFICATE, and a file called disc.inf.

Edit: I should add that the disc.inf file is always there, ScreenPass or not. I pasted an example below. When there is ScreenPass, then the contents of that file will include the correct playlist.
Code:
[disc]
type=BD-ROM
version=AnyDVD HD 7.4.4.3 (BDPHash.bin 14-02-26-B)
totalsectors=12764896
label=FULL_METAL_JACKET
speedmenu=0
region=-1

Speedmenu uses AnyDVDs 'own skin' so when you click to play the movie their 'menu' appears showing the various playlists (main movie, extras, etc). It's a quick way to play just the movie or, in my case, see what playlist it shows me.
pheare's Avatar pheare 03:45 PM 03-24-2014
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Originally Posted by edorr View Post

I'm new to the Blu Ray ripping game. I'm using PavTube Bytecopy for DVDs. I'm using ANYDVD for concert blu ray with lossless audio. And pavTube ByteCopy for DVDs and non-concert Blu Ray. Is there any program that allows me to extract individual titles from concert Blu Rays while ripping? I can do this with ByteCopy, but the audio will be converter to AC3. I want to keep lossless audio. Alternative is creating particles in Jriver, which is an inordinate amount of work, and not as practical as having individual tracks.

Sounds to me like you want makemkv. And then run the mkv through handbrake if you want to reduce the file size
edorr's Avatar edorr 03:52 PM 03-24-2014
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Sounds to me like you want makemkv. And then run the mkv through handbrake if you want to reduce the file size

Will this preserve the lossless audio on BluRay AND allow me to extract individual titles within chapters in batch?
pheare's Avatar pheare 03:58 PM 03-24-2014
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Will this preserve the lossless audio on BluRay AND allow me to extract individual titles within chapters in batch?

yes to audio and I am not sure what you mean by extract individual titles within chapters. It will allow you to extract multiple tracks (from a single bluray) in batch, but each track usually has multiple chapters. I you are looking to somehow extract a single track into multiple files - one per a chapter, not sure how you'd do that.

Check it out, it is free while it is in beta and it has been in beta for years.
edorr's Avatar edorr 04:04 PM 03-24-2014
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yes to audio and I am not sure what you mean by extract individual titles within chapters. It will allow you to extract multiple tracks in batch, but each track usually has multiple chapters. I you are looking to somehow extract a single track into multiple files - one per a chapter, not sure how you'd do that.

Check it out, it is free while it is in beta and it has been in beta for years.

Always confuse tracks, and chapters. I'm ripping concert BRs and want individual files for each song. This is a the lowest level in the hierarchy, probably chapters within a track. I can rip inidivual chapters (?) on DVDs in batch (i.e. I check a box of which chapters I want ripped and they are all ripped in indivudal files. Want to do the same for BR, with lossless audio.
pheare's Avatar pheare 04:10 PM 03-24-2014
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Originally Posted by edorr View Post

Always confuse tracks, and chapters. I'm ripping concert BRs and want individual files for each song. This is a the lowest level in the hierarchy, probably chapters within a track. I can rip inidivual chapters (?) on DVDs in batch (i.e. I check a box of which chapters I want ripped and they are all ripped in indivudal files. Want to do the same for BR, with lossless audio.

Well, as far as I know, makemkv, cannot output chapters into individual files. You can use handbrake to do this (after you use makemkv or whatever to get your mkv file). But that means you are transcoding the file. Plus I am pretty sure handbrake can only pass thru DTS-HD and not True HD. Though most bluray's seem to be DTS-HD, so might not be that big of a deal.
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