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That sounds like it's hardly worth the trouble for such a small increment. Why not leave the 2TB drives as-is and replace the 1.5TB with the 3TB? And why not use 4 or 6TB HDDs? And 8TB is coming soon.
I agree. Why not just get a bigger drive right? I currently have a 4TB drive and a 1TB drive (both WD Red) and will replace both with the 8TB drive when they come out and stabilize in price. At the rate that I rip BD movies it will take me about two years to fill up an 8TB drive... I don't keep what I really don't like and all my rips are makemkv (not ISO). When the 8TB fills up I'll probably just get another one, however, what I really have not considered is backing up those MKV files. I have not pondered setting up any sort of RAID (seems like a bit of a headache). I would almost just consider purchasing a few giant external drives to backup the MKV but that doesn't sound efficient either. One thing that I like about just having a bunch of drives with their own drive letters is that if the drive fails you only loose the media on that particular drive. Not really a big deal I guess.

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So what do folks agree on here as far as resolution? Better to rip at 720p or 1080p if I want to keep my rips down below ~8GB?

I'm just using DVDFab for transcoding which seems to do 'good enough' in comparison to better encoders like Handbrake with x264.

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I would say that most of my Disney movies encode to less than 4GB at 1080p with 20 constant quality. Some grainy films were 12GB though.... the average between all of my BD encodes is probably less than 8GB.

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I have w-a-y too many BDs I do not watch. I certainly don't rip them. Someone with thousands of rips either has widely varied tastes and 48 hours in a day, or they have a lot of content that they don't watch. If I am wrong and there is a third scenario, I'd like to hear it.

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I have w-a-y too many BDs I do not watch. I certainly don't rip them. Someone with thousands of rips either has widely varied tastes and 48 hours in a day, or they have a lot of content that they don't watch. If I am wrong and there is a third scenario, I'd like to hear it.

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For me, I never know what I will be in the mood to watch, so I like to have a wide variety available. I could be in the mood to watch something at 5PM, when I'm still at work, but by the time I get home at 6:30PM, I want to watch something different.

It's also the same reason I record several hundred things, every couple of weeks, on my TiVos. I only watch a small percentage of it, but I want a wide variety of things available to watch when I sit down to watch TV. Since I never know what I will be in the mood to watch.

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Those 8 TB are sweet but $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.. I have 16 4 TB hdds and just built a new RAID 6 server to replace my aging RAID 5 Server. Never had an issue with the Raid 5 at all. I just figured after 5 years of service it was time. After Raid 6 proves itself I will break down RAID 5 and dump parts on eBay.
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For me, I never know what I will be in the mood to watch, so I like to have a wide variety available. I could be in the mood to watch something at 5PM, when I'm still at work, but by the time I get home at 6:30PM, I want to watch something different.

It's also the same reason I record several hundred things, every couple of weeks, on my TiVos. I only watch a small percentage of it, but I want a wide variety of things available to watch when I sit down to watch TV. Since I never know what I will be in the mood to watch.
Same here. I watch 30% of what I record on my Tivo's. During the day, I always plan watch this or that but it almost always changes. It is nice to have a choice and no stupid commercials.
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I agree. Why not just get a bigger drive right? I currently have a 4TB drive and a 1TB drive (both WD Red) and will replace both with the 8TB drive when they come out and stabilize in price. At the rate that I rip BD movies it will take me about two years to fill up an 8TB drive... I don't keep what I really don't like and all my rips are makemkv (not ISO). When the 8TB fills up I'll probably just get another one, however, what I really have not considered is backing up those MKV files. I have not pondered setting up any sort of RAID (seems like a bit of a headache). I would almost just consider purchasing a few giant external drives to backup the MKV but that doesn't sound efficient either. One thing that I like about just having a bunch of drives with their own drive letters is that if the drive fails you only loose the media on that particular drive. Not really a big deal I guess.



I would say that most of my Disney movies encode to less than 4GB at 1080p with 20 constant quality. Some grainy films were 12GB though.... the average between all of my BD encodes is probably less than 8GB.
Yeah, weird. Just for fun after reading this thread and checking out Matt Gadient's website, I went through and reencoded several of my animated features at RF 18, Fast, Animated Preset and kept the resolution at 1080p:

Wall-E
How to Train Your Dragon
Despicable Me
Megamind

All of them came in at less than 4.5GB from BR Rip sizes of 25-30GB.

You just never know what the encoder is going to decide given an RF setting. After I did the animated movies, I wanted to play around with some more encodes with RF and the presets rather than Advanced Settings in Handbrake.

I re-encoded "300" on RF 18, Slow, Grain, and kept the resolution at 1080p. It came back 1.5GB smaller than the BR Rip (22.5GB - 21.5GB) and if I had kept the True-HD track instead of downsampling to DD 5.1 then it probably would have been bigger than the original. All 3 Transformers movies only came in about 20% smaller at the same settings (except change 'Grain' to 'Film'). Both Hobbit movies compressed to 10GB and 8.5GB respectively. Which was about 30% the size of the original BR rip.

Grain matters even more than I thought.
Lots of Grain (300) = Big file.
Quite a bit of Grain (Tranformers) = Almost as big
No Grain (Animated Films) = Compresses to about 20% of the original size
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I have w-a-y too many BDs I do not watch. I certainly don't rip them. Someone with thousands of rips either has widely varied tastes and 48 hours in a day, or they have a lot of content that they don't watch. If I am wrong and there is a third scenario, I'd like to hear it.

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I have a household with more than one avid movie watcher, and all of us have vastly different tastes in what we watch. Also, since we've been acquiring titles since the very earliest launch of DVD, the collection is massive. We held off on 1080p stuff until HD-DVD officially threw in the towel. So on the BD front we only have about 900 titles.
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I have a household with more than one avid movie watcher, and all of us have vastly different tastes in what we watch. Also, since we've been acquiring titles since the very earliest launch of DVD, the collection is massive. We held off on 1080p stuff until HD-DVD officially threw in the towel. So on the BD front we only have about 900 titles.
Do you have 128 terabytes like Aaron?



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I agree. Why not just get a bigger drive right? I currently have a 4TB drive and a 1TB drive (both WD Red) and will replace both with the 8TB drive when they come out and stabilize in price. At the rate that I rip BD movies it will take me about two years to fill up an 8TB drive... I don't keep what I really don't like and all my rips are makemkv (not ISO). When the 8TB fills up I'll probably just get another one, however, what I really have not considered is backing up those MKV files. I have not pondered setting up any sort of RAID (seems like a bit of a headache). I would almost just consider purchasing a few giant external drives to backup the MKV but that doesn't sound efficient either. One thing that I like about just having a bunch of drives with their own drive letters is that if the drive fails you only loose the media on that particular drive. Not really a big deal I guess.

There was just a pair of topics about this very thing over on the HTPC side of the forums. If you are approaching 5TB of ripped data, it's probably time to start looking into redundancy if it would actually be bothersome to lose the data. The time to re-rip 25 BD is one thing (and would still probably take a few days). The time to re-rip 100+ titles is enough of a time-suck that many people consider the added expense of redundancy to be a wise investment.

With affordable 6TB drives on the market already,and consumer-ready, affordable 8TB drives on the way probably in the next 2 years, even a simple mirror back-up is relatively inexpensive and easily achievable at this point, though there are free RAID-like options out there as well - but those don't really kick in until you get ot the point where you'll have 2+ large drives of filled data.
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Do you have 128 terabytes like Aaron?

I am only at 48TB

Granted, since I pretty much run 1:1 mirror only half of that is used for storage

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Do you have 128 terabytes like Aaron?

Alas, I do not - though I suspect that has more to do with SWMBO tempering the purchases more than anything else. I'm still at a modest 32 TB loaded up onto the server with ~33-35 TB more to go. By the time we finish loading all of that, there will probably be about 5 TB more. Once we finish with that and are all "caught up" I figure about 3-5 TB/year depending on the quality of movies and the release of those rare catalog titles that have just been gathering dust and have not seen the light of day in a generation.

So I doubt I will ever get to that 128 TB mark. Heck, it's quite possible I may never quite hit 100 TB, though I wouldn't be shocked if I eventually crept beyond that point ever so slightly.

Of course the release of 4K 3D HFR Extended Editions of all the Hobbit movies and the 4K and 8K versions of Lawrence of Arabia could very well change my math right, quick, and in a hurry.
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Of course the release of 4K 3D HFR Extended Editions of all the Hobbit movies and the 4K and 8K versions of Lawrence of Arabia could very well change my math right, quick, and in a hurry.
One of the reasons I started collecting movies was my realization that Blu-ray is Good Enough for the vast majority of the movies I want to watch. I'd say for 98% of my collection, I will never need to buy another copy. I can't imagine any technology that would make me want a newer copy of (say) Forrest Gump, or Weird Science, or WarGames. The Blu-ray is literally as good as, or better, than those movies ever looked in a movie theater.

4K? Meh. Atmos? Meh. HFR? Meh. All solutions in search of a problem, a desperate effort to keep the upgrade dollars flowing.
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One of the reasons I started collecting movies was my realization that Blu-ray is Good Enough for the vast majority of the movies I want to watch. I'd say for 98% of my collection, I will never need to buy another copy. I can't imagine any technology that would make me want a newer copy of (say) Forrest Gump, or Weird Science, or WarGames. The Blu-ray is literally as good as, or better, than those movies ever looked in a movie theater.

4K? Meh. Atmos? Meh. HFR? Meh. All solutions in search of a problem, a desperate effort to keep the upgrade dollars flowing.
For the most part, I wholly agree. I too see essentially zero chance that I will be investing enough in anything beyond Blu-ray and DTS-HD MA. There are a few exceptions. The Hobbit films are among them, not because they are incredible films (though they are very entertaining), but because 3D HFR was how they were intended to be seen, and I am a big enough Tolkien aficionado that I would invest in them. And for me, Lawrence of Arabia stands as one of the greatest visual epics of all time. I rushed to order the remastered Blu-ray when it was produced. If they ever release a higher quality transfer (4K, 8K, VR) I would probably be clobbering people to get to the head of the line. Outside of a few truly elite titles though, I don't see me going beyond Blu-ray.
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I am only at 48TB

Granted, since I pretty much run 1:1 mirror only half of that is used for storage
I think my Mediasmart WHS days are over. I used to have around 56TB that was mirrored with WHS but I repurposed that to unRAID to be able to have more storage space to use. I think it's been a year since i turned on my WHS now.

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If they ever release a higher quality transfer (4K, 8K, VR) I would probably be clobbering people to get to the head of the line. Outside of a few truly elite titles though, I don't see me going beyond Blu-ray.
Exactly. For new releases, or a few elite titles where it makes sense to retrofit, the new technologies can be useful. I will probably upgrade to all of those technologies eventually, because why not? But for catalog titles, including practically all my current library, I can rip with confidence knowing it will last forever.
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There was just a pair of topics about this very thing over on the HTPC side of the forums. If you are approaching 5TB of ripped data, it's probably time to start looking into redundancy if it would actually be bothersome to lose the data. The time to re-rip 25 BD is one thing (and would still probably take a few days). The time to re-rip 100+ titles is enough of a time-suck that many people consider the added expense of redundancy to be a wise investment.

With affordable 6TB drives on the market already,and consumer-ready, affordable 8TB drives on the way probably in the next 2 years, even a simple mirror back-up is relatively inexpensive and easily achievable at this point, though there are free RAID-like options out there as well - but those don't really kick in until you get ot the point where you'll have 2+ large drives of filled data.
Good point. Yes I will invest in a redundant (1:1) drive set-up... With that said I wish NAS wasn't so expensive.

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Good point. Yes I will invest in a redundant (1:1) drive set-up... With that said I wish NAS wasn't so expensive.

If anyone is looking for a Western Digital Red drive (I have 1TB and 4TB) please PM me. I'll part with them for a great deal (I'm going to setting on a single 6TB drive for the moment).
Depending on how many disks you will be running, a NAS doesn't really have to cost much of anything. If you are running with 4 drives or less, especially if you are not doing parity through snapshot, you can find some nice enclosure solutions for under $100. If you have upgraded (or are upgrading) to a 6 TB drive and it is capable of holding most of your data already, there are plenty of very inexpensive solutions available. It's once you get past the 4 drives that things can really get out of control in a hurry.
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Good point. Yes I will invest in a redundant (1:1) drive set-up... With that said I wish NAS wasn't so expensive.

If anyone is looking for a Western Digital Red drive (I have 1TB and 4TB) please PM me. I'll part with them for a great deal (I'm going to setting on a single 6TB drive for the moment).
Depending on how many disks you will be running, a NAS doesn't really have to cost much of anything. If you are running with 4 drives or less, especially if you are not doing parity through snapshot, you can find some nice enclosure solutions for under $100. If you have upgraded (or are upgrading) to a 6 TB drive and it is capable of holding most of your data already, there are plenty of very inexpensive solutions available. It's once you get past the 4 drives that things can really get out of control in a hurry.
Oh ok I didn't know... say I decide to keep the 4TB red drive... what would be a good NAS solution? Would I have to have all 4 drives to start with?
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Yeah, weird. Just for fun after reading this thread and checking out Matt Gadient's website, I went through and reencoded several of my animated features at RF 18, Fast, Animated Preset and kept the resolution at 1080p:

Wall-E
How to Train Your Dragon
Despicable Me
Megamind

All of them came in at less than 4.5GB from BR Rip sizes of 25-30GB.

You just never know what the encoder is going to decide given an RF setting. After I did the animated movies, I wanted to play around with some more encodes with RF and the presets rather than Advanced Settings in Handbrake.

I re-encoded "300" on RF 18, Slow, Grain, and kept the resolution at 1080p. It came back 1.5GB smaller than the BR Rip (22.5GB - 21.5GB) and if I had kept the True-HD track instead of downsampling to DD 5.1 then it probably would have been bigger than the original. All 3 Transformers movies only came in about 20% smaller at the same settings (except change 'Grain' to 'Film'). Both Hobbit movies compressed to 10GB and 8.5GB respectively. Which was about 30% the size of the original BR rip.

Grain matters even more than I thought.
Lots of Grain (300) = Big file.
Quite a bit of Grain (Tranformers) = Almost as big
No Grain (Animated Films) = Compresses to about 20% of the original size

You shouldn't be using --tune animation, for those titles. Either leave at nothing or do tune film. Tune anim is for cartoon-like movies with huge areas of flat color and hard bordered objects. Just a tip [emoji4]

For movies with lots of grain, if your end goal is to lower the file size a lot while trying to retain as much transparency as possible, might I suggest a denoiser like mctemporaldenoise? Warning, it will slow your encodes down by factors [emoji1]
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You just never know what the encoder is going to decide given an RF setting.
You make it sound like something mysterious or random is involved. With experience you can have a very good idea of what the encoder is going to do.

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I re-encoded "300" on RF 18, Slow, Grain, and kept the resolution at 1080p. It came back 1.5GB smaller than the BR Rip (22.5GB - 21.5GB) and if I had kept the True-HD track instead of downsampling to DD 5.1 then it probably would have been bigger than the original. All 3 Transformers movies only came in about 20% smaller at the same settings (except change 'Grain' to 'Film'). Both Hobbit movies compressed to 10GB and 8.5GB respectively. Which was about 30% the size of the original BR rip.
Tune grain will naturally result in a very large file at RF18. You are telling the encoder that you want it to retain the grain as much as possible, which naturally requires more bits. It should only be used when you want to retain the grain and are willing to expend a lot of bits to do so. If you were authoring a grainy movie for Bluray and had 40Mbps to use, you would use tune grain. Certainly not if you are attempting to make a small file size.

Some Bluray titles have an abundance of bitrate. By that I mean, they might be encoded at 30Mbps but in reality would look almost identical at 20 or even 15Mbps. They have 30Mbps because - why not? If the space is on the disk you might as well use it.

However other titles may already be stretched thin with very little room for further compression. 300 - a highly grainy title delivered at 16Mbps or whatever....within the same generation of video codecs there is very little scope for making it smaller without noticeably losing quality.

So you have to bear this in mind when considering how much scope there is for recompression. I don't know why you would even bother to re-encode something like 300, it's already an extremely small and well-compressed title.
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I always leave x264 tune to "none" and end up with a decent encode. I don't mind if a movie (like Avatar did) ends up at 12GB. I only encode for portability though and to watch on my 1080p gaming laptop abroad.

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You make it sound like something mysterious or random is involved. With experience you can have a very good idea of what the encoder is going to do.



Tune grain will naturally result in a very large file at RF18. You are telling the encoder that you want it to retain the grain as much as possible, which naturally requires more bits. It should only be used when you want to retain the grain and are willing to expend a lot of bits to do so. If you were authoring a grainy movie for Bluray and had 40Mbps to use, you would use tune grain. Certainly not if you are attempting to make a small file size.

Some Bluray titles have an abundance of bitrate. By that I mean, they might be encoded at 30Mbps but in reality would look almost identical at 20 or even 15Mbps. They have 30Mbps because - why not? If the space is on the disk you might as well use it.

However other titles may already be stretched thin with very little room for further compression. 300 - a highly grainy title delivered at 16Mbps or whatever....within the same generation of video codecs there is very little scope for making it smaller without noticeably losing quality.

So you have to bear this in mind when considering how much scope there is for recompression. I don't know why you would even bother to re-encode something like 300, it's already an extremely small and well-compressed title.
It wasn't mysterious or random, just shocking that grain made THAT much difference. It was apparent even from the Hobbit films to the Transformer films. Similar length BR with similar original bitrates were worlds apart with different settings.

I will mess around with the animated movies at 'film' settings instead of 'animation' and see what happens.
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