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Mmh, it never crossed my mind to use TSMuxer for MKVs so I can't say. But if you do rip your DVD episodes, you should be able to do so by changing the minimum title length in MakeMKV.
Ripping the DVD episodes in MakeMKV was not a problem, it was actually quite easy. From the ones I did, it seemed to rip them in numerical title order so as long as I know how the episode text titles correspond to the numerical order on the disk (easy to do) it is a simple matter to assign title names to the episode MKV's that are produced.

My reference to foolishness regarding ripping DVD episodes stems from my having close to 800 DVD.iso of TV series on my NAS units. I would have to be nuts to go back and start ripping individual episodes from all these disks just to save a little space. The thought makes me shudder.

As to TSMuxeR, it is pretty dated, development was stopped years ago and so its problems with MKV files may be historical. I believe there is a new version of TSMuxeR out. Someone has picked up development and added support for 3D. I haven't paid much attention to it because Clown_BD uses the older version so that is what I have stuck with and have not had problems up until now. I think I'll read up on the new version and give it a try.

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My reference to foolishness regarding ripping DVD episodes stems from my having close to 800 DVD.iso of TV series on my NAS units. I would have to be nuts to go back and start ripping individual episodes from all these disks just to save a little space. The thought makes me shudder.
Why? Add a temporary external disk, fire up MakeMKV Batch Converter and come back later when it's done.

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Or just leave them as ISOs and it's easier to deal with. All my TV show BDs are just in ISO format. I just use my older media players with them that show the full BD menus. If those ever crap out then I guess I would need to convert them to MKV. But right now I typically only use MKVs for those titles where they have hundreds of playlists, so I create an MKV of BD movie since I would not be able to remember the correct playlist.

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Or just leave them as ISOs and it's easier to deal with.
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Well, I hate all the clutter, especially those animated menus plus saving space is always nice. YMMV.
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Ripping the DVD episodes in MakeMKV was not a problem, it was actually quite easy. From the ones I did, it seemed to rip them in numerical title order so as long as I know how the episode text titles correspond to the numerical order on the disk (easy to do) it is a simple matter to assign title names to the episode MKV's that are produced.



My reference to foolishness regarding ripping DVD episodes stems from my having close to 800 DVD.iso of TV series on my NAS units. I would have to be nuts to go back and start ripping individual episodes from all these disks just to save a little space. The thought makes me shudder.



As to TSMuxeR, it is pretty dated, development was stopped years ago and so its problems with MKV files may be historical. I believe there is a new version of TSMuxeR out. Someone has picked up development and added support for 3D. I haven't paid much attention to it because Clown_BD uses the older version so that is what I have stuck with and have not had problems up until now. I think I'll read up on the new version and give it a try.

2.6.12 is the most current version of tsmuxer.
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The original post to this thread is quite old now, so I'm wondering which programs are suggested for ripping Bluray these days? I've heard AnyDVD works well, but are there any free programs that work with Bluray?

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Any DVD HD easily pays for itself over time. I've been using it to rip BD titles to ISOs for five years now. WIth the Lifetime option I've easily received more than my moneys worth. I never wanted to deal with any of the free options since they weren't updated on a regular basis. Which is what you need with new releases each week to be able to rip some of them properly.

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The original post to this thread is quite old now, so I'm wondering which programs are suggested for ripping Bluray these days? I've heard AnyDVD works well, but are there any free programs that work with Bluray?

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I just downloaded MakeMKV to test it out and it's only free for a 30 day trial period. Is there anything that is really free with no time limits?

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I just downloaded MakeMKV to test it out and it's only free for a 30 day trial period. Is there anything that is really free with no time limits?

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Anytime I forget and try to download and use MakeMKV I get the message that the trial has ended and I will need to purchase it. So I just uninstall it and go back to AnyDVD with TSMuxeR.

Usually it's just for fun or to try an help someone out on a forum so it has no real world effect to me but I would be curious how everyone gets around this as well.
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I just downloaded MakeMKV to test it out and it's only free for a 30 day trial period. Is there anything that is really free with no time limits?

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Anytime I forget and try to download and use MakeMKV I get the message that the trial has ended and I will need to purchase it. So I just uninstall it and go back to AnyDVD with TSMuxeR.

Usually it's just for fun or to try an help someone out on a forum so it has no real world effect to me but I would be curious how everyone gets around this as well.
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MakeMKV is free while in beta -- it has been in beta for a long, long time.
Copy/Paste the key into the registration box in the Help menu and it will be functional
It is updated with the newest beta key regularly.
The current key is good until the end of September 2014.

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I just downloaded MakeMKV to test it out and it's only free for a 30 day trial period. Is there anything that is really free with no time limits?

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Let me ask you a question. How much money do you have invested in Home Theater Equipment and Media? And you're bitching about a hundred bucks or so?
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Anytime I forget and try to download and use MakeMKV I get the message that the trial has ended and I will need to purchase it. So I just uninstall it and go back to AnyDVD with TSMuxeR.

Usually it's just for fun or to try an help someone out on a forum so it has no real world effect to me but I would be curious how everyone gets around this as well.
I get a new key every month or so that can be used with MakeMKV. But I only use MakeMKV for titles that have the hundreds of playlists. Otherwise I just rip to a BD ISO. But MakeMKV does do a good job. I also have AnyDVD HD running in the background so I have no idea how well MakeMKV works by itself in ripping the BDs. I always use MakeMKV on a BD ISO I had previously ripped. Never directly from my disc.

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OK, sounds good. Unfortunately my first attempt to backup a bluray disk failed as MakeMKV hangs in the middle of the backup (I'm assuming I should be checking the decrypt box under backup). The disc is the just released "Bears" documentary, but I'll give it another try on a different disc next week.
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MakeMKV is free while in beta -- it has been in beta for a long, long time.
Copy/Paste the key into the registration box in the Help menu and it will be functional
It is updated with the newest beta key regularly.
The current key is good until the end of September 2014.
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OK, sounds good. Unfortunately my first attempt to backup a bluray disk failed as MakeMKV hangs in the middle of the backup (I'm assuming I should be checking the decrypt box under backup). The disc is the just released "Bears" documentary, but I'll give it another try on a different disc next week.
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I get a new key every month or so that can be used with MakeMKV. But I only use MakeMKV for titles that have the hundreds of playlists. Otherwise I just rip to a BD ISO. But MakeMKV does do a good job. I also have AnyDVD HD running in the background so I have no idea how well MakeMKV works by itself in ripping the BDs. I always use MakeMKV on a BD ISO I had previously ripped. Never directly from my disc.
I thought that they didn't play well together (MakeMKV & AnyDVD)?
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I thought that they didn't play well together (MakeMKV & AnyDVD)?
I've never had an issue, but I know MakeMKV does mention a possible conflict if you have AnyDVD running in the background

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I've never had an issue, but I know MakeMKV does mention a possible conflict if you have AnyDVD running in the background
Yes. I always see the warning pop up, but I just ignore it. So far it hasn't caused a problem for me. But I also don't use MakeMKV very often either.

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OK, sounds good. Unfortunately my first attempt to backup a bluray disk failed as MakeMKV hangs in the middle of the backup (I'm assuming I should be checking the decrypt box under backup). The disc is the just released "Bears" documentary, but I'll give it another try on a different disc next week.
My primary ripper is DVD Fab so I do not have a resident decryption app constantly running in the background. In my continuing experimentation with MakeMKV, I'm finding that it decrypts all the most recent BD releases I have acquired -- doing a full disk "backup". -- MakeMKV is doing the decryption on its own.
Impressive.

I've taken these full disk rips and run them through Clown_BD to extract the main_title to BD.m2ts to make sure nothing was screwy with the MakeMKV rip. So far, so good. They seem the same as a DVD Fab folder rip.

Something amusing I've found. If I use DVD Fab to rip a full disk DVD to folder then run MakeMKV on it, MakeMKV issues a warning error that DVD Fab is known to make bad VOB files that may be corrupted and I should use MakeMKV to rip from the original disk. If I use DVD Shrink to rip the same DVD's to folder or .iso then run MakeMKV on them, I get no such error.

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I bought the lifetime too about 2 years ago. Maybe I'm wrong though. Any of the newer updates actually installs a different program that wont let you rip your BDs so I still have the old one but the issue is that it doesnt seem like its updating the encryption for newer titles. I will try some more but I tried to rip Divergent and it just spit it back out.
Unless it changed AGAIN, you can download an add-on to DVDfab to get it to bypass the encryption and it works just the same as it used to.
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So for my automated robotic ripping software I've put together some code to help select the primary title in makeMKV. It works in conjunction with the minlength, which for movies I set to 3600 (seconds--60 minutes... note to self: change that for 3d movies). It does:

~~# of titles = 1? Rip that one
else
~~"primary title" identified by makeMKV? Rip that one
else
~~number of tracks over minimum length with matching segments = 1? Rip that one
else
~~rip track zero and hope for the best

I'm also working on pulling the runtime from TMDB for help in getting the correct movie name/year and could add that to the matching segment check, but what I'm curious about is if anyone knows of code out there that matches to the correct title by analyzing the java code (or whatever it is) for the menu? That would be the best way and it's not something I'm real interested in learning how to do.
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I'm also working on pulling the runtime from TMDB for help in getting the correct movie name/year and could add that to the matching segment check, but what I'm curious about is if anyone knows of code out there that matches to the correct title by analyzing the java code (or whatever it is) for the menu? That would be the best way and it's not something I'm real interested in learning how to do.
AnyDVD does this for ScreenPass (copy protection system with lots of phony playlists), but in general it's a difficult or impossible problem. What about a movie with both director's cut and theatrical cut? How does it know which one you want, and even if it did, how could it figure out which was which? Matching by runtime is about the best you can hope for.
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Match by run-time? I guess you haven't seen some movies like Hunger Games or, more recently, Draft Day. Without AnyDVD telling me what the correct playlist was I'd never be able to tell by the run-time.

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Match by run-time? I guess you haven't seen some movies like Hunger Games or, more recently, Draft Day. Without AnyDVD telling me what the correct playlist was I'd never be able to tell by the run-time.
Any DVd HD wasn't even right initially. But they usually get an update out pretty quickly to deal with the new discs. I usually check out the Slysoft forums to find the proper playlist if it doesn't show up correctly with any DVD HD yet.

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Match by run-time? I guess you haven't seen some movies like Hunger Games or, more recently, Draft Day. Without AnyDVD telling me what the correct playlist was I'd never be able to tell by the run-time.
"Matching segments", as is in my code, is (one of?) the method(s) for pulling the correct title when there are issues of duplicate playlists, as in The Hunger Games (which, Catching Fire and the Expendables are my test discs for that function). The idea, and code, was brought up in the makemkv forums. The code pulls the playlist segments from the clipinfo and playlist folders of the bluray and pulls the playlists that have matching segments. Typically the one that has the most matched segments is the correct playlist. I added on to that criteria by only pulling the playlists that are over the minlegth.

As far as I can tell, it works (there was this really weird, very slight, quirk with The Expendables 2 when I was watching it...). I don't really need the runtime for the title selection, though it could help... and then not really help. Like the other poster brought up, there's the issue of director's cuts. However, there really isn't a way to automate that, at least not completely (which one YOU want is completely up to you). You could have a message box pop up and ask which one you prefer though, to speed things up.

However, the biggest problem is one that no one's brought up yet... and I didn't even know was a thing until I ripped and watched Monsters University. I apparently ripped the French version initially--All the text in the film was in French!! As all the languages and subtitles are the same between the three playlists that are available, it's pretty much impossible to even figure it out from looking at the three options. Now I don't know if AnyDVD or DVDfab has the ability to figure that out. If they're code is based on the menu, it's quite possible that they do. I'm debating paying up to get the "rip" version of DVDfab, as my ripping tower is also a CUDA encoding powerhouse, but if AnyDVD is better than Fab in the determining the correct title arena, I might try that one out instead.

.... is there even command line functionality with AnyDVD? I can't remember if that was the problem with that one or if it had trouble with multiple instances/trays. If the former, no big deal, I don't think, but I need cmd line abilities.
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By the way, that quirk with Expendables was that, in one scene, it repeated about two seconds of the film; just once--not a continuous repeat. I imagine if they have duplicate playlists, the dupes would not work at all, not just be wonky for two seconds. I was also watching on Plex, soooo... it coulda been something weird with that.
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.... just occurred to me that I have the U.K. version of Monsters University. Derp
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.... is there even command line functionality with AnyDVD? I can't remember if that was the problem with that one or if it had trouble with multiple instances/trays. If the former, no big deal, I don't think, but I need cmd line abilities.
What do you want to do via cmdline? For the most part, AnyDVD works in the background with no interactivity. For ScreenPass titles, it makes a disc.inf file you can parse to find the correct playlist.
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