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Personally, I don't mind building Windows boxes but didn't want to roll my own Linux box. unRaid gives you the easiest approach to a Linux based PC NAS, IMO.
A Windows box is just a box until you install Windows.

I have in the past set up my main hotrod as a Win 7/Linux dual boot. For me, that was the challenge as once I booted into Linux I had no idea what to do.

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MakeMKV is a good tool on the Mac. You get the choice of full archive or just the movie. You can also do a full archive then run MakeMKV on it to get just the movie itself. After that, typical to the Mac world - try Handbrake for creating iPad or ATV versions. Select the correct streams in the movie which translates to one video stream, usually one or two audio streams and subs if required.

Typical software - OSX MakeMKV and Handbrake
Typical sofware - Win MakeMKV or ANYDVD HD, TSmuxer, various MKV tools (free) etc. I find Clown BD very useful when forced subs are in question as it can generate a separate forced sub stream file. (FYI these can run in virtual mode on OSX via Parallels or Fusion along with Windows 7).

As for external DVD/Blue Ray drives, it depends on the speed of the drive and the enclosure connections. USB3, Firewire 800 might be your best bet unless you can do eSATA. Since you have I gather the older Mac Pro tower, you can opt to put in an internal Blue Ray unit. There are sites that show how to do this. I have in the past put Blue Ray players into Mac Pro towers (older MP) and connected directly to the motherboard via SATA connection and one power cable.

Feel free to PM me if you have specific questions.
Thanks Phrehdd and everyone else for helping out with your experience.

I've been busy the past few days trying to figure this out. The first thing I realized was that my external reader was a bottleneck, reading max at 2X. I spent $90 on it from Newegg - from a company called Archgon.

Anyway, things have improved since I got the new LG BE14NU40 reader. I don't have an internal CD/DVD drive (it's the late 2013 Mac Pro), so didn't want to spend another $100 getting a blank enclosure and a bare drive.

Initially I was still getting slow reads (at least I thought so). I thought it was riplocked (had to read up about this). Then I ran a readtest with Optic Drive's CD SPeed test which gives a number of 7.6X for DL disk (Avengers) and 11.3X for SL disk (Walking Tall). This suggests that the disk is not riplocked. Anyway, I tried to flash the new firmware released last week but the drive seems to have a version number higher than that already (at least according to the flashing program).

So I ran some tests on the same disk (Marvels Avengers - dual layer BD, 2 hrs 22 mts length). I chose this because this is the reference disk on DVDFab's site (see attached image again).

Fullcopy (Clone) with DVDFab: 32 minutes (max read 22MB/s and file size 46G)
Full copy (backup) with MakeMKV: 50 mts, max read rate 5.7X
Fullcopy (clone) with DVDFab on a Windows 8.1 laptop with CUDA etc: 39 mts (there is really no benefit of the CUDA and Intelsync when you just do a clone I guess)

Copy to BD25 ISO from Disk: 52 mts, max read rate 17mb/s, file size 24G (suggests it takes longer to make a BD25 copy as it involves compression).

Now for ISO to MP4 conversion times: Same disk (Avengers);

BD50 ISO to iPad air (1900x1080) MP4 = 35 mts - 5.2GB
BD50 ISO to iPad air at low res (840x400) = 30 mts - 1.2GB
BD25 ISO to 840x400 = 30 mts - 1.07GB

Since the Mac cannot use the hardware in its GPU, the conversion times are much slower than the 9 or 10 mts quoted on the DVDfab site. I am not even getting the software alone time of 24 mts for the conversion.

Sadly, the program also seems to be very slow in ripping DVDs. I am getting 45 mts for a DL 8 G DVD for a straight ISO.

I have tried Leawo, Pavtube, AnyDVD (very clunky interface), either directly on the Mac or on Win 7 via VMWare Fusion (or even my office laptop with Win8). Nothing beats DVDFab overall , but I am still bummed by the lack of hardware support. It is also quirky, some disks it will take several hours to rip. MakeMKV is more consistent but does not do ISO and is slower than DVD for a full copy.

Here it is again, the reference times from DVDFab's website.
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Integrity (CRC check) is nice, but given the type of files I store (primarily media or backups) I don't worry much about it. If I were storing a large number of small files that I couldn't easily recover it might be more of an issue. Also, over the years I've had a number of disk failures but never any bit rot style file corruption.



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Finally, unRAID is both your OS and your software raid solution in one. So, can you use use FlexRaid or SnapRaid off a USB stick? That's entirely up to you, since acquiring the OS is your responsibility. Can you get an Ubuntu Linux distro running from a USB stick? Personally, I don't mind building Windows boxes but didn't want to roll my own Linux box. unRaid gives you the easiest approach to a Linux based PC NAS, IMO.

I would think that drive capacity would be the more important factor in determining whether you should have 2+ parity drives as I still dread the drive failure during the initialization of a degraded array when your array is not redundant anymore.
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I would think that drive capacity would be the more important factor in determining whether you should have 2+ parity drives as I still dread the drive failure during the initialization of a degraded array when your array is not redundant anymore.
While I understand your point, the economics don't work for me. Sure, doing full drive mirroring or 2 parity drives for 3 data drives is more protection than 1 parity drive for 4 data drives. I'd rather work on my offsite backup strategy with that money rather than invest in lots of redundant hard drives, though - I think that's a false sense of security. My priority will change somewhere north of 4 data drives - multiple drive failures can and do happen.
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I dislike cross-posting so I apologize in advance, but I posted this in another thread and it clearly belongs here where a lot of the MakeMKV experts reside and can comment.
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I rip all my BluRay titles to native .m2ts files using Clown_BD. But lately I've been taking a good look at MakeMKV. The tool has improved a lot from when I last visited it 3 yr ago and was put off by issues with it and MKV in general. I'm quite impressed with its ability to rip very recent BD releases and I like the Backup mode for ripping the full disk. I've already come to the conclusion that should I ever be so foolish as to rip the individual episodes of a TV series DVD disk, I would use MakeMKV and rip them to MKV format.

The reason for this post is the following problem I discovered regarding BD.MKV:
I typically use DVD Fab to rip the full BD disk to my HDD then use Clown_BD on the rip to extract the main_title to BD.m2ts. So, I used MakeMKV on a couple of these full disk rips to create the main_title MKV. The MKV's all played perfectly when streamed to my Live-SMP's with support for chapter skip -- no problem there, I had video, HD audio and subtitles -- it was quite nice.

What I didn't like was when I opened the MKV's in TSMuxeR, it issued an error about file structure compatibility and would not show any subtitle streams in the mux list. In one case, RoboCop, I created the MKV both from the DVD Fab rip and using MakeMKV to rip straight from the disk. When I opened either of them in TSMuxeR only the video stream could be read. In contrast, MediaInfo reads the MKV properly without error and shows all the BD streams present -- which I already know from the playback. I want to be able to use TSMuxeR as a way to remux the MKV back into an .m2ts container. Have others seen this issue with MakeMKV files and TSMuxeR?

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Mmh, it never crossed my mind to use TSMuxer for MKVs so I can't say. But if you do rip your DVD episodes, you should be able to do so by changing the minimum title length in MakeMKV.

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Mmh, it never crossed my mind to use TSMuxer for MKVs so I can't say. But if you do rip your DVD episodes, you should be able to do so by changing the minimum title length in MakeMKV.
Ripping the DVD episodes in MakeMKV was not a problem, it was actually quite easy. From the ones I did, it seemed to rip them in numerical title order so as long as I know how the episode text titles correspond to the numerical order on the disk (easy to do) it is a simple matter to assign title names to the episode MKV's that are produced.

My reference to foolishness regarding ripping DVD episodes stems from my having close to 800 DVD.iso of TV series on my NAS units. I would have to be nuts to go back and start ripping individual episodes from all these disks just to save a little space. The thought makes me shudder.

As to TSMuxeR, it is pretty dated, development was stopped years ago and so its problems with MKV files may be historical. I believe there is a new version of TSMuxeR out. Someone has picked up development and added support for 3D. I haven't paid much attention to it because Clown_BD uses the older version so that is what I have stuck with and have not had problems up until now. I think I'll read up on the new version and give it a try.

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My reference to foolishness regarding ripping DVD episodes stems from my having close to 800 DVD.iso of TV series on my NAS units. I would have to be nuts to go back and start ripping individual episodes from all these disks just to save a little space. The thought makes me shudder.
Why? Add a temporary external disk, fire up MakeMKV Batch Converter and come back later when it's done.

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Or just leave them as ISOs and it's easier to deal with. All my TV show BDs are just in ISO format. I just use my older media players with them that show the full BD menus. If those ever crap out then I guess I would need to convert them to MKV. But right now I typically only use MKVs for those titles where they have hundreds of playlists, so I create an MKV of BD movie since I would not be able to remember the correct playlist.

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Or just leave them as ISOs and it's easier to deal with.
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Well, I hate all the clutter, especially those animated menus plus saving space is always nice. YMMV.
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Ripping the DVD episodes in MakeMKV was not a problem, it was actually quite easy. From the ones I did, it seemed to rip them in numerical title order so as long as I know how the episode text titles correspond to the numerical order on the disk (easy to do) it is a simple matter to assign title names to the episode MKV's that are produced.



My reference to foolishness regarding ripping DVD episodes stems from my having close to 800 DVD.iso of TV series on my NAS units. I would have to be nuts to go back and start ripping individual episodes from all these disks just to save a little space. The thought makes me shudder.



As to TSMuxeR, it is pretty dated, development was stopped years ago and so its problems with MKV files may be historical. I believe there is a new version of TSMuxeR out. Someone has picked up development and added support for 3D. I haven't paid much attention to it because Clown_BD uses the older version so that is what I have stuck with and have not had problems up until now. I think I'll read up on the new version and give it a try.

2.6.12 is the most current version of tsmuxer.
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The original post to this thread is quite old now, so I'm wondering which programs are suggested for ripping Bluray these days? I've heard AnyDVD works well, but are there any free programs that work with Bluray?

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Any DVD HD easily pays for itself over time. I've been using it to rip BD titles to ISOs for five years now. WIth the Lifetime option I've easily received more than my moneys worth. I never wanted to deal with any of the free options since they weren't updated on a regular basis. Which is what you need with new releases each week to be able to rip some of them properly.

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The original post to this thread is quite old now, so I'm wondering which programs are suggested for ripping Bluray these days? I've heard AnyDVD works well, but are there any free programs that work with Bluray?

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I just downloaded MakeMKV to test it out and it's only free for a 30 day trial period. Is there anything that is really free with no time limits?

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I just downloaded MakeMKV to test it out and it's only free for a 30 day trial period. Is there anything that is really free with no time limits?

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Anytime I forget and try to download and use MakeMKV I get the message that the trial has ended and I will need to purchase it. So I just uninstall it and go back to AnyDVD with TSMuxeR.

Usually it's just for fun or to try an help someone out on a forum so it has no real world effect to me but I would be curious how everyone gets around this as well.
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Anytime I forget and try to download and use MakeMKV I get the message that the trial has ended and I will need to purchase it. So I just uninstall it and go back to AnyDVD with TSMuxeR.

Usually it's just for fun or to try an help someone out on a forum so it has no real world effect to me but I would be curious how everyone gets around this as well.
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MakeMKV is free while in beta -- it has been in beta for a long, long time.
Copy/Paste the key into the registration box in the Help menu and it will be functional
It is updated with the newest beta key regularly.
The current key is good until the end of September 2014.

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Let me ask you a question. How much money do you have invested in Home Theater Equipment and Media? And you're bitching about a hundred bucks or so?
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Anytime I forget and try to download and use MakeMKV I get the message that the trial has ended and I will need to purchase it. So I just uninstall it and go back to AnyDVD with TSMuxeR.

Usually it's just for fun or to try an help someone out on a forum so it has no real world effect to me but I would be curious how everyone gets around this as well.
I get a new key every month or so that can be used with MakeMKV. But I only use MakeMKV for titles that have the hundreds of playlists. Otherwise I just rip to a BD ISO. But MakeMKV does do a good job. I also have AnyDVD HD running in the background so I have no idea how well MakeMKV works by itself in ripping the BDs. I always use MakeMKV on a BD ISO I had previously ripped. Never directly from my disc.

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OK, sounds good. Unfortunately my first attempt to backup a bluray disk failed as MakeMKV hangs in the middle of the backup (I'm assuming I should be checking the decrypt box under backup). The disc is the just released "Bears" documentary, but I'll give it another try on a different disc next week.
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MakeMKV is free while in beta -- it has been in beta for a long, long time.
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It is updated with the newest beta key regularly.
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OK, sounds good. Unfortunately my first attempt to backup a bluray disk failed as MakeMKV hangs in the middle of the backup (I'm assuming I should be checking the decrypt box under backup). The disc is the just released "Bears" documentary, but I'll give it another try on a different disc next week.
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I get a new key every month or so that can be used with MakeMKV. But I only use MakeMKV for titles that have the hundreds of playlists. Otherwise I just rip to a BD ISO. But MakeMKV does do a good job. I also have AnyDVD HD running in the background so I have no idea how well MakeMKV works by itself in ripping the BDs. I always use MakeMKV on a BD ISO I had previously ripped. Never directly from my disc.
I thought that they didn't play well together (MakeMKV & AnyDVD)?
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I thought that they didn't play well together (MakeMKV & AnyDVD)?
I've never had an issue, but I know MakeMKV does mention a possible conflict if you have AnyDVD running in the background

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I've never had an issue, but I know MakeMKV does mention a possible conflict if you have AnyDVD running in the background
Yes. I always see the warning pop up, but I just ignore it. So far it hasn't caused a problem for me. But I also don't use MakeMKV very often either.

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OK, sounds good. Unfortunately my first attempt to backup a bluray disk failed as MakeMKV hangs in the middle of the backup (I'm assuming I should be checking the decrypt box under backup). The disc is the just released "Bears" documentary, but I'll give it another try on a different disc next week.
My primary ripper is DVD Fab so I do not have a resident decryption app constantly running in the background. In my continuing experimentation with MakeMKV, I'm finding that it decrypts all the most recent BD releases I have acquired -- doing a full disk "backup". -- MakeMKV is doing the decryption on its own.
Impressive.

I've taken these full disk rips and run them through Clown_BD to extract the main_title to BD.m2ts to make sure nothing was screwy with the MakeMKV rip. So far, so good. They seem the same as a DVD Fab folder rip.

Something amusing I've found. If I use DVD Fab to rip a full disk DVD to folder then run MakeMKV on it, MakeMKV issues a warning error that DVD Fab is known to make bad VOB files that may be corrupted and I should use MakeMKV to rip from the original disk. If I use DVD Shrink to rip the same DVD's to folder or .iso then run MakeMKV on them, I get no such error.

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I bought the lifetime too about 2 years ago. Maybe I'm wrong though. Any of the newer updates actually installs a different program that wont let you rip your BDs so I still have the old one but the issue is that it doesnt seem like its updating the encryption for newer titles. I will try some more but I tried to rip Divergent and it just spit it back out.
Unless it changed AGAIN, you can download an add-on to DVDfab to get it to bypass the encryption and it works just the same as it used to.
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So for my automated robotic ripping software I've put together some code to help select the primary title in makeMKV. It works in conjunction with the minlength, which for movies I set to 3600 (seconds--60 minutes... note to self: change that for 3d movies). It does:

~~# of titles = 1? Rip that one
else
~~"primary title" identified by makeMKV? Rip that one
else
~~number of tracks over minimum length with matching segments = 1? Rip that one
else
~~rip track zero and hope for the best

I'm also working on pulling the runtime from TMDB for help in getting the correct movie name/year and could add that to the matching segment check, but what I'm curious about is if anyone knows of code out there that matches to the correct title by analyzing the java code (or whatever it is) for the menu? That would be the best way and it's not something I'm real interested in learning how to do.
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I'm also working on pulling the runtime from TMDB for help in getting the correct movie name/year and could add that to the matching segment check, but what I'm curious about is if anyone knows of code out there that matches to the correct title by analyzing the java code (or whatever it is) for the menu? That would be the best way and it's not something I'm real interested in learning how to do.
AnyDVD does this for ScreenPass (copy protection system with lots of phony playlists), but in general it's a difficult or impossible problem. What about a movie with both director's cut and theatrical cut? How does it know which one you want, and even if it did, how could it figure out which was which? Matching by runtime is about the best you can hope for.
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