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You should crop out the letterboxing as this will save some bit rate.

If you absolutely need a file to be a specific size, then yes, do 2-3 pass. If you only need the file around a ballpark size then IMO you are better off sticking to crf and tweaking the crf value or other settings that affect compression like Decimation.
How do you crop the letterboxing and keep the full frame? Is this the cropping feature under the picture tab?

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PSNR and SSIM are the easiest. Not saying it's 100%, just saying it is objective.
I've noticed these are settings under "tune" how do they correlate to judging quality?

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That's what Beamr Video is supposed to do. AFAIK it's only available as a commercial solution, sold to Netflix et al.
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PSNR and SSIM are the easiest. Not saying it's 100%, just saying it is objective.

Edit: Let me clarify that when I talk of transparency in a compressed video I am not saying it is bit for bit exact. I have never and will never make claims like this. What I am saying however is that something I find transparent is so close to the source that it's not worth fretting about. Yes, I understand that some people will be up in arms if there is one off colored pixel in a single frame somewhere in the video, but I'm not that person [emoji4]
Beamr is a tool to compress, and from my quick read I'd guess that they developed better perceptual encoding. I was asking about a tool that would objectively compare, i.e. without human involvement, a 1:1 rip of a retail Blu-ray with a re-encoded copy.

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Beamr is a tool to compress, and from my quick read I'd guess that they developed better perceptual encoding. I was asking about a tool that would objectively compare, i.e. without human involvement, a 1:1 rip of a retail Blu-ray with a re-encoded copy.
Their "breakthrough" is not in perceptual encoding, but a better way to measure the visible differences between two videos. (Call it perceptual differencing?) They repeatedly try different reencodings, with varying compression parameters, and measure the visible degradation. If it's too much, they throw it out and try again.
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Can Handbrake be used to re-code DD 5.1/AC3 audio into AAC for the .MP4 container while leaving the video alone and just passing it through?

I have some HDTV recording files from my TiVo I'm been experimenting with. I used Video ReDo to convert the MPEG-2 files to H.264 and saved them as .m2ts. Unfortunately this was a while ago and I have since deleted the original .tivo MPEG-2 source. Recently, I used VRD to re-mux them into an .MP4 container to experiment with playing them on my TiVo. Apparently VRD leaves the audio as AC3. When I send them back to my TiVo the video plays but not the audio. Someone in another thread suggested the audio would need to be converted from AC3 to AAC for the MP4 container.

So the files are already H.264 encoded and I don't want Handbrake to re-code them yet another time -- just convert the audio and remux. Can Handbrake do this? Can it take the .m2ts file, convert the audio to AAC and remux to MP4 while just passing the video stream through?

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Their "breakthrough" is not in perceptual encoding, but a better way to measure the visible differences between two videos. (Call it perceptual differencing?) They repeatedly try different reencodings, with varying compression parameters, and measure the visible degradation. If it's too much, they throw it out and try again.
It's the measuring part that interests me, and just how that could be done objectively. Of course, the followup question is would you want to objectively measure a subjective difference? Ooooo, down the rabbit hole ....

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Can Handbrake be used to re-code DD 5.1/AC3 audio into AAC for the .MP4 container while leaving the video alone and just passing it through?

I have some HDTV recording files from my TiVo I'm been experimenting with. I used Video ReDo to convert the MPEG-2 files to H.264 and saved them as .m2ts. Unfortunately this was a while ago and I have since deleted the original .tivo MPEG-2 source. Recently, I used VRD to re-mux them into an .MP4 container to experiment with playing them on my TiVo. Apparently VRD leaves the audio as AC3. When I send them back to my TiVo the video plays but not the audio. Someone in another thread suggested the audio would need to be converted from AC3 to AAC for the MP4 container.

So the files are already H.264 encoded and I don't want Handbrake to re-code them yet another time -- just convert the audio and remux. Can Handbrake do this? Can it take the .m2ts file, convert the audio to AAC and remux to MP4 while just passing the video stream through?
No, Handbrake forces you to re-encode the video and sometimes it drives me nuts. I use Super for those cases when I just want to re-encode the audio. If I don't fell like messing with Super, I will often just set up a re-encode with Handbrake at the lowest resolution and fastest settings for video (think 160p). Then I just mux out the new audio track and remux into the original .mp4 with Yamb or into .mkv with MKVMerge.

You don't have to have .aac for an .mp4 container but a large of amount of devices still demand an .mp4 with .aac as the 1st audio stream. To keep it compliant but still have true 5.1 audio, I will often create an .mp4 file with 2 audio tracks:
#1 : .aac DPLII 160kb/s
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Yeah, I understand that. It just surprised me how much difference there was between Godzilla and Transformers: Age of Extinction. I don't remember that much grain in Transformers, but there is little doubt that Transformers scenes were a lot more complex. I guess robots with all of their moving parts use a lot of bandwidth. I remember when they first Transformers came out there was a discussion of how much rendering time it took to make their transformations and it was something ridiculous like 24 hours to render a 20 second transformation.



Still, most 2 Hour BDs that I re encode come in between 8-12GB. It was surprising to see Godzilla that low. You just never know. At this point, there's no way to accurately predict a destination size until the CF encode is actually done.
Transformers not only has 40 more minutes on Godzilla, but I'm sure that transformers also has a lot bright static scenes, all of which contributes to needing more bits.

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How do you crop the letterboxing and keep the full frame? Is this the cropping feature under the picture tab?







I've noticed these are settings under "tune" how do they correlate to judging quality?
I don't use handbrake so I'm not so sure how to use its cropping tool.

Psnr and ssim are metrics for pq. The tune feature will optimize certain parameters to increase whichever metric you chose to go with. You can have the encoder spit out the actual number for psnr or ssim after the encode. The higher the number the closer it is to the source. My advice is, don't get caught up with the numbers game and just let your eyes be the judge.

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Can Handbrake be used to re-code DD 5.1/AC3 audio into AAC for the .MP4 container while leaving the video alone and just passing it through?



I have some HDTV recording files from my TiVo I'm been experimenting with. I used Video ReDo to convert the MPEG-2 files to H.264 and saved them as .m2ts. Unfortunately this was a while ago and I have since deleted the original .tivo MPEG-2 source. Recently, I used VRD to re-mux them into an .MP4 container to experiment with playing them on my TiVo. Apparently VRD leaves the audio as AC3. When I send them back to my TiVo the video plays but not the audio. Someone in another thread suggested the audio would need to be converted from AC3 to AAC for the MP4 container.



So the files are already H.264 encoded and I don't want Handbrake to re-code them yet another time -- just convert the audio and remux. Can Handbrake do this? Can it take the .m2ts file, convert the audio to AAC and remux to MP4 while just passing the video stream through?

AFAIK, handbrake will not pass video through as video processing is what this app was built for. What you could do is use eac3to to transcode your audio file then use mkvmerge to mux them together.
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Can Handbrake be used to re-code DD 5.1/AC3 audio into AAC for the .MP4 container while leaving the video alone and just passing it through?
AVIDeMux can.
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You should crop out the letterboxing as this will save some bit rate....
Since the letterbox bars are an unmodulated solid color you'll save very little.
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No, Handbrake forces you to re-encode the video . . .
You don't have to have .aac for an .mp4 container but a large of amount of devices still demand an .mp4 with .aac as the 1st audio stream. To keep it compliant but still have true 5.1 audio, I will often create an .mp4 file with 2 audio tracks:
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#2 : .ac3 5.1ch 448-640kb/s
Thank you and @DotJun & @olyteddy for the responses.

Turns out I can change the MP4 profile in Video ReDo to convert the audio from AC3 to AAC while leaving the video alone. However, when doing so VRD flattens the 5.1 AC3 to 2.0 AAC and I lose surround sound. The resulting file now plays on my TiVo and gives me audio but I'm not thrilled with it being 2.0.

@smitbret -- if I am reading your post correctly, it tells me that this is not a limitation of VRD but that AAC is only 2.0 which is why you also include an AC3 5.1 audio track in your MP4's. Is this the case?

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Since the letterbox bars are an unmodulated solid color you'll save very little.
And that's why I said "some" bits. This becomes more important to people that are doing extreme compression where every bit counts.

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Thank you and @DotJun & @olyteddy for the responses.



Turns out I can change the MP4 profile in Video ReDo to convert the audio from AC3 to AAC while leaving the video alone. However, when doing so VRD flattens the 5.1 AC3 to 2.0 AAC and I lose surround sound. The resulting file now plays on my TiVo and gives me audio but I'm not thrilled with it being 2.0.


@smitbret -- if I am reading your post correctly, it tells me that this is not a limitation of VRD but that AAC is only 2.0 which is why you also include an AC3 5.1 audio track in your MP4's. Is this the case?

IIRC, aac is capable of 5.1 but Apple devices only supported 2.0? It's been a while for me since I worked with any kind of stand alone players so please someone educate me on this [emoji4]
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And that's why I said "some" bits. This becomes more important to people that are doing extreme compression where every bit counts.




IIRC, aac is capable of 5.1 but Apple devices only supported 2.0? It's been a while for me since I worked with any kind of stand alone players so please someone educate me on this [emoji4]
This.

The first audio stream in the .mp4/.m4v must be a 2-channel .aac track. I've found that you can have pretty much any other .mp4 compliant audio track as the 2nd and it will still work fine (.ac3, multi-channel .aac, etc.). The primary audio track can be stereo or DPLII, so I just do the DPLII because my audio system supports the simulated surround and I am often too lazy to just change the audio track to stream 2.

Really, though, I don't do .mp4 much anymore as I don't have any Apple devices in my home at this point. Most of my mobile devices are supporting multi-channel audio. I have a Kindle Fire for the kids that needs .mp4, so it's a lot easier to just be able to remux from the .mkv than it is to re rip and re encode.

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IIRC, aac is capable of 5.1 but Apple devices only supported 2.0?
I looked up the specs. for AAC and it is capable of 5.1 so this must be a VRD limitation. I'll give the AVIdemux utility @olyteddy cited a look and see what it can do.

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The first audio stream in the .mp4/.m4v must be a 2-channel .aac track. I've found that you can have pretty much any other .mp4 compliant audio track as the 2nd and it will still work fine (.ac3, multi-channel .aac, etc.). The primary audio track can be stereo or DPLII, so I just do the DPLII because my audio system supports the simulated surround and I am often too lazy to just change the audio track to stream 2.
Thanks a lot for the info. I've never played with .mp4 containers before so I was not aware of that compatibility restriction for the first audio track. The TiVo obviously follows that restriction -- it's a pity it can't play MKV.

That pretty much kills .mp4 for me in this application because the TiVo can't select an audio track and will just play the first one which will be stereo. So thanks for the info, you have saved me from wasting any more time on this.

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Yeah, I understand that. It just surprised me how much difference there was between Godzilla and Transformers: Age of Extinction. I don't remember that much grain in Transformers, but there is little doubt that Transformers scenes were a lot more complex. I guess robots with all of their moving parts use a lot of bandwidth. I remember when they first Transformers came out there was a discussion of how much rendering time it took to make their transformations and it was something ridiculous like 24 hours to render a 20 second transformation.

Still, most 2 Hour BDs that I re encode come in between 8-12GB. It was surprising to see Godzilla that low. You just never know. At this point, there's no way to accurately predict a destination size until the CF encode is actually done.
Transformers AOE I wouldn't call it 'grain heavy' but there is certainly grain througout the movie. It's also quite a sharp, detailed image.

Godzilla has little or no grain and is rather soft and drab with not much fine detail. As you would expect, it was shot on Alexa and has a 2K DI.

So naturally Transformers is less compressible. Rapid scene cuts and high-action camera work also cause a movie to be less compressible than movies with more deliberate cinematography.
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Hi to all, Im new to this forum but im very interested in blu-ray copy, Anyone know about the new mybd tool released by Cinemartin at mybd.cinemartin.com They said are capable of convert Blurays to hevc h265. It appears to be a coppier, backup, decrypter and converter, say no other tool required, what do you think guys about ? I will try the free version. The size they said are crazy !, just 2% of a bluray
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Hi to all, Im new to this forum but im very interested in blu-ray copy, Anyone know about the new mybd tool released by Cinemartin at mybd.cinemartin.com They said are capable of convert Blurays to hevc h265. It appears to be a coppier, backup, decrypter and converter, say no other tool required, what do you think guys about ? I will try the free version. The size they said are crazy !, just 2% of a bluray
I'm not familiar and am not opposed to trying it out... However, makemkv is an excellent tool and handbrake's nightly build (includes HEVC) is by far the best tool I've used for (re) encoding.

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I'm not familiar and am not opposed to trying it out... However, makemkv is an excellent tool and handbrake's nightly build (includes HEVC) is by far the best tool I've used for (re) encoding.
Thats true, but I will be more confortable using only one app, like DVDfab or MyBD than using 2 or more different apps (makmkv and handbrake) for my backup purposes, Just load a BD, press one button, wait and nothing more to do, well, at least I think that will be best.

I will try both DVDFab and MyBD and i will try to give you my reports too if i have time for.
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I've been ripping DVDs to my iMac to play over AppleTV (3). I plan to pick up a pioneer usb3 drive to rip Blu-Rays and use makeMKV with handbrake. If ripped properly with this setup, Will I be able to play the movies with DTS-MA or TrueHD? If not, what is the week link?
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Thats true, but I will be more confortable using only one app, like DVDfab or MyBD than using 2 or more different apps (makmkv and handbrake) for my backup purposes, Just load a BD, press one button, wait and nothing more to do, well, at least I think that will be best.

I will try both DVDFab and MyBD and i will try to give you my reports too if i have time for.
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I promise you it will not be that easy. "pressing one button" is none existent in this hobby. I have a dozen or so mouse clicks before I get my final product. Sure, if you want to just rip to MKV via DVDfab or makemkv then it will be much simpler... but to re-encode will likely lead you down many more steps to completion. DVDfab used to allow for a pretty seamless operation but I haven't used it since it booted me out of the program (free trial).

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I've been ripping DVDs to my iMac to play over AppleTV (3). I plan to pick up a pioneer usb3 drive to rip Blu-Rays and use makeMKV with handbrake. If ripped properly with this setup, Will I be able to play the movies with DTS-MA or TrueHD? If not, what is the week link?
I'm not quite sure what "setup" you are referring to? YOu need a compatible AVR to utilize DTS HD or TrueHD. I don't think AppleTV support either.

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I'm not quite sure what "setup" you are referring to? YOu need a compatible AVR to utilize DTS HD or TrueHD. I don't think AppleTV support either.
Sorry I thought I gave enough info but I understand why you're asking. Yes, I have the appropriate home theater setup and the AVR decodes DTS-MA and TrueHD. The Apple TV feeds to the AVR via HDMI.

My question was really focused on the rip/convert portion. The "setup" being: blu-ray drive > usb3.0 > makeMKV > Handbrake > AppleTV > HDMI > AVR.

I am familiar with doing DVD > handbrake > AppleTV... But am about to be new to ripping Blu Rays and concerned about the ability, given the proper settings, to maintain DTS-MA or TruHD when playing movies stored on my HDD, from the setup explained above.
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Sorry I thought I gave enough info but I understand why you're asking. Yes, I have the appropriate home theater setup and the AVR decodes DTS-MA and TrueHD. The Apple TV feeds to the AVR via HDMI.

My question was really focused on the rip/convert portion. The "setup" being: blu-ray drive > usb3.0 > makeMKV > Handbrake > AppleTV > HDMI > AVR.

I am familiar with doing DVD > handbrake > AppleTV... But am about to be new to ripping Blu Rays and concerned about the ability, given the proper settings, to maintain DTS-MA or TruHD when playing movies stored on my HDD, from the setup explained above.
I'm still having a hard time understanding what you are asking. I'm assuming you are saying that you are going to use an external BD Drive to rip your BD films onto an Apple Computer of some sort and then store the media onto an external hard drive? Then you want your AppleTV to play the MKV files? I'm not sure an AppleTV will play direct play MKV or MP4... it doesn't sound like it will support high bitrates but a re-encoded might work... there doesn't seem to be a USB input on the AppleTV though so I doubt you'll get the AppleTV to read the files unless networked to a server somehow.

Lastly... the AppleTV doesn't support DTS-HD or TrueHD.

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I'm still having a hard time understanding what you are asking. I'm assuming you are saying that you are going to use an external BD Drive to rip your BD films onto an Apple Computer of some sort and then store the media onto an external hard drive? Then you want your AppleTV to play the MKV files? I'm not sure an AppleTV will play direct play MKV or MP4... it doesn't sound like it will support high bitrates but a re-encoded might work... there doesn't seem to be a USB input on the AppleTV though so I doubt you'll get the AppleTV to read the files unless networked to a server somehow.

Lastly... the AppleTV doesn't support DTS-HD or TrueHD.
You may be getting too hung up on the "Apple computer of some sort". Let's forget the computing hardware part because that I know is not an issue. The software, makeMKV and Handbrake are housed on a computer HDD with ample HDD space to hold the resulting media files to be played. Yes, and external drive will be connected to this computer from which the blu-ray disks will be ripped.

MakeMKV will make the MKV, handbrake will make a file suitable for AppleTV playback ( I assume .m--). No, I will not be looking for theAppleTV to interpret and play MKV.

So at this point in the chain, we have covered the computing hardware and storage (sorry if I made it sound as if I connected a HDD to an Apple TV via usb not sure how I made it that unclear but oh well).

Now I have a file suitable for playback via Apple TV (audio issue aside) the primary part of the question is it possible at this point I have audio that can be sent on from the computer with DTSMA or DolbyTrueHD still intact, most likely bitstremed to be decoded eventually by the AV receiver.

I'm an A/V as well as computing geek that cut my teeth building 80286 based clones for local businesses in the80s. On a/v my equipment is split between audiophile 2 channel systems and home theater. I've had HT surround systems since Dolby Pro Logic was the rage, maybe before. I've build a few HTPCs over the years more directly rigged to the A/V system. I'd say if anything the Blu Ray world has been most cumbersome from what I can remember ....but I have a 7.1 system and those discrete channels when developed well by Hollywood are a spectacular experience in the HT so I am planning as much as possible to be sure I can preserve it.

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You may be getting too hung up on the "Apple computer of some sort". Let's forget the computing hardware part because that I know is not an issue. The software, makeMKV and Handbrake are housed on a computer HDD with ample HDD space to hold the resulting media files to be played. Yes, and external drive will be connected to this computer from which the blu-ray disks will be ripped.



MakeMKV will make the MKV, handbrake will make a file suitable for AppleTV playback ( I assume .m--). No, I will not be looking for theAppleTV to interpret and play MKV.



So at this point in the chain, we have covered the computing hardware and storage (sorry if I made it sound as if I connected a HDD to an Apple TV via usb not sure how I made it that unclear but oh well).



Now I have a file suitable for playback via Apple TV (audio issue aside) the primary part of the question is it possible at this point I have audio that can be sent on from the computer with DTSMA or DolbyTrueHD still intact, most likely bitstremed to be decoded eventually by the AV receiver.



I'm an A/V as well as computing geek that cut my teeth building 80286 based clones for local businesses in the80s. On a/v my equipment is split between audiophile 2 channel systems and home theater. I've had HT surround systems since Dolby Pro Logic was the rage, maybe before. I've build a few HTPCs over the years more directly rigged to the A/V system. I'd say if anything the Blu Ray world has been most cumbersome from what I can remember ....but I have a 7.1 system and those discrete channels when developed well by Hollywood are a spectacular experience in the HT so I am planning as much as possible to be sure I can preserve it.



Thanks

It's very hard to understand the chain of equipment your file is going to flow through but I'll try and answer as best I can.

Yes, your audio will be intact if you play your file from your computer to your avr via hdmi.

AFAIK, your file will not be intact if you are using an Appletv connected via hdmi to your avr regardless of whether the file resides on the appletv or the computer/external HDD as appletv does not support bitstreaming.

Hope that helps.
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It's very hard to understand the chain of equipment your file is going to flow through but I'll try and answer as best I can.

Yes, your audio will be intact if you play your file from your computer to your avr via hdmi.

AFAIK, your file will not be intact if you are using an Appletv connected via hdmi to your avr regardless of whether the file resides on the appletv or the computer/external HDD as appletv does not support bitstreaming.

Hope that helps.
Thanks yes that does help. That answers my original question: yes, I can get the HD audio though the software and to the AppleTV but at that point it will not continue to the AVR and then my speakers/ears. The week link in that chain being the AppleTV.

Thank you.

FWIW this is the full chain from source disc to speakers, hardware only:

External pioneer bluray player>usb 3.0 cable>iMac/HDD [software here]>cat5e cable>AppleTV>HDMI cable>AV Reciver>[video goes HDMI to 60" plasma, audio goes speaker cables to 7 speakers, sub audio goes via sub patch cable to subwoofer]

Btw this all works wonderfully smooth (my 8 year old can sit on the couch with a single remote control and launch the whole system from cold start and play a movie of her choice within a minute or two) with all the digital copies, online purchased, and DVD ripped movies...but those are all DD5.1(AC3)...so there lies the rub . This is Dads peeve
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Thanks yes that does help. That answers my original question: yes, I can get the HD audio though the software and to the AppleTV but at that point it will not continue to the AVR and then my speakers/ears. The week link in that chain being the AppleTV.



Thank you.



FWIW this is the full chain from source disc to speakers, hardware only:



External pioneer bluray player>usb 3.0 cable>iMac/HDD [software here]>cat5e cable>AppleTV>HDMI cable>AV Reciver>[video goes HDMI to 60" plasma, audio goes speaker cables to 7 speakers, sub audio goes via sub patch cable to subwoofer]



Btw this all works wonderfully smooth (my 8 year old can sit on the couch with a single remote control and launch the whole system from cold start and play a movie of her choice within a minute or two) with all the digital copies, online purchased, and DVD ripped movies...but those are all DD5.1(AC3)...so there lies the rub . This is Dads peeve

Thanks again.

I say ditch the appletv and pipe the computer to your avr instead.
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I say ditch the appletv and pipe the computer to your avr instead.
This technical HD sound issue aside, I happen to like the AppleTV. I have three of them throughout the house and use various channels often. What I see and can access on this basement HT setup that I'm discussion here, is exactly the same as what I and my family can see and access in the living room upstairs, and in our bedroom another floor up.

It's a smooth and consistent experience in each room, it just works when we ask it to work whether it be watching my movie collection, my music collection, Netflix, Hulu, etc....all looks and works the same in all rooms.

If I can figure out how to get MA/truHD to the basement theater the whole system is perfect for me. That may involve just waiting and seeing what the next ATV upgrade has to offer but considering the extensive use of this house-wide system I can live with watching my movies in DD5.1 or just popping in the blu ray for HD7.1 as I did last night with x-men days of future past...that was a fun ride!

This is venturing off topic so I'll just say thanks again for the input and I hope some others can benefit fron the discussion!
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HD audio in a $99 streaming device may be a bit much to ask. Are there any?
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