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John Wick Redbox

Correct Playlist for John Wick RedBox Rental

261 possible playlists. Really Lionsgate? You guys lose again. DD 5.1 Lossy Audio.


196) 00641.mpls, 1:41:13
[505+508+507+501+512+504+520+513+517+506+515+518+51 0+516+503+511+519+502+514+509].m2ts
- Chapters, 16 chapters
- h264/AVC, 1080p24 /1.001 (16:9)
- AC3, English, multi-channel, 48kHz
- AC3, Spanish, multi-channel, 48kHz

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Correct Playlist for John Wick RedBox Rental

261 possible playlists. Really Lionsgate? You guys lose again. DD 5.1 Lossy Audio.


196) 00641.mpls, 1:41:13
[505+508+507+501+512+504+520+513+517+506+515+518+51 0+516+503+511+519+502+514+509].m2ts
- Chapters, 16 chapters
- h264/AVC, 1080p24 /1.001 (16:9)
- AC3, English, multi-channel, 48kHz
- AC3, Spanish, multi-channel, 48kHz

I know. There are some BD with only DD.
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Anyone know the correct playlist for standard retail version of 'John Wick'? Got my copy from Amazon.

Update: Man, this disc is nuts. Can't figure out yet via MakeMKV, AnyDVD's info window, nor using PowerDVD.

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Anyone know the correct playlist for standard retail version of 'John Wick'? Got my copy from Amazon.

Update: Man, this disc is nuts. Can't figure out yet via MakeMKV, AnyDVD's info window, nor using PowerDVD.
Hmmm ... just checked a few "dark" sites which if the BD copy is available usually lists the main playlist, but I can only find the BD25 copy and it doesn't state the playlist used. I assume my John Wick copy should arrive today as well.

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Trying 00589.mpls as I see it mentioned in various forums. Will report back.

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Correct Playlist for John Wick RedBox Rental

261 possible playlists. Really Lionsgate? You guys lose again. DD 5.1 Lossy Audio.
I'm willing to bet the video bitrate on the rental is significantly lower than for the retail version. That's been my experience on the last couple Lions Gate films I compared retail to rental.

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To save significant space, one has to first be willing to throw away the original BD cases -- a significant energy barrier for many. For high density disk storage I put the disks in combinations of single and double-sided Tyvek storage sleeves with a labeled tab on the top and store the sleeves vertically in simple Snap-n-Store disk boxes. I can store 125 disks in sleeves in one of these inexpensive boxes. They are covered to keep out light and dust and they stack nicely in a cool, dry closet. For me, organization is simply alphabetical.
Ditto on this storage method. Plus I alphabetize in case I want to find a disk in the future. Alphabetical tabs are available that fit the boxes.
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To save significant space, one has to first be willing to throw away the original BD cases -- a significant energy barrier for many. For high density disk storage I put the disks in combinations of single and double-sided Tyvek storage sleeves with a labeled tab on the top and store the sleeves vertically in simple Snap-n-Store disk boxes. I can store 125 disks in sleeves in one of these inexpensive boxes. They are covered to keep out light and dust and they stack nicely in a cool, dry closet. For me, organization is simply alphabetical.
I store mine off site in a Red Box.
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Trying 00589.mpls as I see it mentioned in various forums. Will report back.
May be the right one. Running time 1:41:13, with filesize 27.1GB. Ripped via MakeMKV, with TrueHD track only (w/o core), no subs. Don't think this movie has forced subs.

Plays fine on my PC, skipping to various chapters. No way to be certain unless I watch the whole thing.

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May be the right one. Running time 1:41:13, with filesize 27.1GB. Ripped via MakeMKV, with TrueHD track only (w/o core), no subs. Don't think this movie has forced subs.
Correct. No forced subs. Burned in. Also all playlists have the exact time on Rental version.
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This BD is posing quite a ripping challenge...
- http://www.makemkv.com/forum2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=8786
- https://forum.slysoft.com/showthread...-going-on-here

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I don't understand why Lions Gate would reduce the bit rate for their rental versions. I'm trying to understand it from their point of view and I'm drawing a blank. Apart from the costs involved in printing different disks are they possibly trying to entice repeat customers who've bought their discs before by discouraging them from renting their discs in the future?
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I don't understand why Lions Gate would reduce the bit rate for their rental versions. I'm trying to understand it from their point of view and I'm drawing a blank. Apart from the costs involved in printing different disks are they possibly trying to entice repeat customers who've bought their discs before by discouraging them from renting their discs in the future?
To get suckers like me to buy the Blu-Rays since we want to hear the full soundtrack in our Home Theaters. Thankfully if you wait a while you can get them used on e-bay for cheap =)

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Looks like 589 is the right playlist. A couple of people have confirmed at MakeMKV forum and SlySoft forum.
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I store mine off site in a Red Box.
The constant carping about the number of playlists, the video and audio quality of the rentals that are being ripped is LAUGHABLE. But that's one comment that you should keep to yourself. Posts about ripping rentals are bad enough on a thread for members who in large part want to rip their personal content onto their network and/or re-encode for viewing their content on their mobile devices.

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The constant carping about the number of playlists, the video and audio quality of the rentals that are being ripped is LAUGHABLE. But that's one comment that you should keep to yourself. Posts about ripping rentals are bad enough on a thread for members who in large part want to rip their personal content onto their network and/or re-encode for viewing their content on their mobile devices.

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I love to "carp", especially when it is a slow day at my office. My comment about storing in a red box was meant as humor, nothing more, nothing less, but thanks for caring enough to state your opinion and for the record I do have a red box in my storage facility. I use rentals as a "try before you buy" model. Discussing the number of playlists in rentals is no different than discussing the number of playlists in retail versions.Both topics are walking a fine line and both are discussing the games that studios play in an attempt to drive up sales. Supplying an inferior version of a movie in the rental channel and a 30 day "wait window" are both failed attempts to force consumers to buy more movies. I rent all movies that I have not seen in the theater from REDBOX or Netflix and decide if it is worth buying. If memory serves me correct the only movie that I have purchased from Lionsgate in the past 3 years was Expendables 3 and that was to experience Atmos. I purchased it on eBay for $ 10.00 bucks. It was a wasted $ 10 bucks IMHO. I will never watch it again. The "Playlist obfuscation" anti-piracy method is a failure because within hours the correct playlist is listed, for every version of the movie, on every major enthusiast forum all over the world. The studios should stop the shenanigans and realize that great movies will sell on their own merit and there is no need for corporate games trying to force consumers into buying.

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I kicked RedBox to the curb when they raised their BD rentals by 33% to $2/night. It's Netflix or the Public Library for me -- unless I get a good RedBox PROMO coupon.

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I kicked RedBox to the curb when they raised their BD rentals by 33% to $2/night. It's Netflix or the Public Library for me -- unless I get a good RedBox PROMO coupon.
I agree to a point but 2 bucks is not that bad and REDBOX is 20 feet from my office and the girl who fills the machine is kind enough to pop in to tell me machine is ready with new releases. On more than one occasion REDBOX did not have the Blu-ray version of the movie so I had to go to NetFlix to rent. I am not sure if this lack of BD availability is REDBOX or the studios holding back and playing games. In a perfect world DVDs would just go away and force the slow adopters to get a BD player and get with the program. BD players are cheap enough now and so are High Def TVs. No excuse not to get some Hi Def love.

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I am seeing a pattern now:
On every rip of bluray with Dolby atmos soundtrack – if the main movie is in segments, I have sound drops.
On the bluray disk with Dolby atmos where main movies is one m2ts (on the disk), everything works fine.
What is your experience?
My usual workflow is rip the whole disk to folder structure on HD and that use TsMuxer (2.6.12) to create just main movie in m2ts format.
I tried MakeMKV on the same disks and got the same results (sound dropouts on segmented movies and all OK on non-segmented.
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Hm, am I to assume that I am the only one with the sound drops problem?
John Wick bluray is the perfect example (by the way my DVDfab passkey correctly identified playlist 772 on my Canadian disk right from the start).
First ~ 20min of the movie are in various lengths chunks and the last chunk is ~ 1:20 min. I have sound dropouts in first 20 min and once playback is on the last chunk – no dropouts.
I can’t blame DVDfab or TsMuxer as I had exactly the same results with MakeMKV.

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Hm, am I to assume that I am the only one with the sound drops problem?
John Wick bluray is the perfect example (by the way my DVDfab passkey correctly identified playlist 772 on my Canadian disk right from the start).
First ~ 20min of the movie are in various lengths chunks and the last chunk is ~ 1:20 min. I have sound dropouts in first 20 min and once playback is on the last chunk – no dropouts.
I can’t blame DVDfab or TsMuxer as I had exactly the same results with MakeMKV.
If you use tsMuxeR 2.6.12 you can create a single m2ts file and would have no drops outs.
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If you use tsMuxeR 2.6.12 you can create a single m2ts file and would have no drops outs.
Are you sure, he said he had the same result with MakeMKV which I am assuming meant he made a single mkv (so no seamless branch). Unless he used MakeMKV to just do a full disk rip in which the seamless branch would remain.

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If you use tsMuxeR 2.6.12 you can create a single m2ts file and would have no drops outs.
As I mentioned before, I always use TsMuxer (2.6.12) to create single m2ts but sound dropouts are still there.
To make it more clear:
The workflow is always the same and the result is always single m2ts file.

If the movie is segmented and has Dolby Atmos = sound dropouts

If the movie is segmented and has DTS MA or Dolby true HD = NO sound dropouts

If the movie is NOT segmented and has Dolby Atmos = NO sound dropouts

If the movie is NOT segmented and has DTS MA or Dolby true HD = NO sound dropouts.

Same goes if I use MakeMKV and create single mkv file (direct from disk).

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Are you sure, he said he had the same result with MakeMKV which I am assuming meant he made a single mkv (so no seamless branch). Unless he used MakeMKV to just do a full disk rip in which the seamless branch would remain.
The Atmos drop outs were all due to seamless branching. I confirmed with T4, TMNTs and Expendables. If I buy John Wick I will confirm.
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I agree to a point but 2 bucks is not that bad and REDBOX is 20 feet from my office and the girl who fills the machine is kind enough to pop in to tell me machine is ready with new releases.
Seriously?!?
Yeah, I guess if I could pick-up or return a movie on my way to the mens' room that would positively sway my opinion towards renting from RedBox.

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Redbox has a lot of titles the are stocked as DVD only and furthermore, the RedBoxes by me will stock multiple DVD copies of a particular title, especially when first released, but only ever stock a single BD copy. I've never run across a case of them stocking a title in BD-only. Like it or not, DVD is still "good enough" for a large segment of the public -- both visually and cost-wise. I suspect 4K content will probably be as much of a niche product as 3D has become -- especially when they try to extract an uber-premium price.

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As I mentioned before, I always use TsMuxer (2.6.12) to create single m2ts but sound dropouts are still there.
To make it more clear:
The workflow is always the same and the result is always single m2ts file.

If the movie is segmented and has Dolby Atmos = sound dropouts

If the movie is segmented and has DTS MA or Dolby true HD = NO sound dropouts

If the movie is NOT segmented and has Dolby Atmos = NO sound dropouts

If the movie is NOT segmented and has DTS MA or Dolby true HD = NO sound dropouts.

Same goes if I use MakeMKV and create single mkv file (direct from disk).
Sorry did not read all your posts. What player are you using? I have tested on 4 Dune 3.0 bases, Dune 303D and Dune Base 3.0. No Drop outs with Atmos titles mentioned above. I will drop by Best Buy and buy John Wick.

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Somewhat related, but I am moving soon and I am going to buy a soundbar for the family room (currently have an AVR with 5.1 setup, in ceiling speakers, etc... in the family room). Don't feel like setting that all up again (especially since I will probably make a dedicated HT in the basement eventually). It is crazy how many Sound bars don't appear to support TrueHD / DTS(MA). That would become a bigger issue if my Dune BD Prime/Smart ever dies. I did find some soundbars that can decode though so all is not lost, but glad that I continue to add in separate AC3 tracks for each of my BluRays that I rip.

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Somewhat related, but I am moving soon and I am going to buy a soundbar for the family room (currently have an AVR with 5.1 setup, in ceiling speakers, etc... in the family room). Don't feel like setting that all up again (especially since I will probably make a dedicated HT in the basement eventually). It is crazy how many Sound bars don't appear to support TrueHD / DTS(MA). That would become a bigger issue if my Dune BD Prime/Smart ever dies. I did find some soundbars that can decode though so all is not lost, but glad that I continue to add in separate AC3 tracks for each of my BluRays that I rip.
Sony makes a sound bar that decodes DTSHD and TrueHD. I was in Best Buy and they had it open box for about $ 600. Overpriced but only a few do HiDef audio. I have not seen any with Atmos yet. I am sure soon enough. I bet it will look funny with speakers sticking out in all directions.

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Seriously?!?
Yeah, I guess if I could pick-up or return a movie on my way to the mens' room that would positively sway my opinion towards renting from RedBox.


Redbox has a lot of titles the are stocked as DVD only and furthermore, the RedBoxes by me will stock multiple DVD copies of a particular title, especially when first released, but only ever stock a single BD copy. I've never run across a case of them stocking a title in BD-only. Like it or not, DVD is still "good enough" for a large segment of the public -- both visually and cost-wise. I suspect 4K content will probably be as much of a niche product as 3D has become -- especially when they try to extract an uber-premium price.

While I wish DVDs would go away forever, I would be even happier if commercials could all be put at the end of network TV shows. I have not watched a commercial in 15 years since my first Tivo back in 2000. As I get older, it has become a hassle to even FF through them.
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While I wish DVDs would go away forever, I would be even happier if commercials could all be put at the end of network TV shows. I have not watched a commercial in 15 years since my first Tivo back in 2000. As I get older, it has become a hassle to even FF through them.
If it were not for the advertising revenue, the cost of content would be prohibitive for us. I have no problem taking the time to skip through commercials -- I'm willing to do my part to keep OTA TV free.

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If it were not for the advertising revenue, the cost of content would be prohibitive for us. I have no problem taking the time to skip through commercials -- I'm willing to do my part to keep OTA TV free.
No OTA here. Comcast cable with Cable Cards. Far from free. More like $ 120 a month for crap service and constant cable card pairing issues.
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