Ripping Blu-Rays II - Page 325 - AVS Forum | Home Theater Discussions And Reviews
Baselworld is only a few weeks away. Getting the latest news is easy, Click Here for info on how to join the Watchuseek.com newsletter list. Follow our team for updates featuring event coverage, new product unveilings, watch industry news & more!



Forum Jump: 
 755Likes
Reply
 
Thread Tools
post #9721 of 9735 Old 07-20-2016, 10:39 AM
Wireless member
 
pepar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: On the beach in Quintana Roo
Posts: 26,836
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 706 Post(s)
Liked: 423
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon S View Post
All video files are compressed to some degree...
Sure. My point was that there is zero dif between the BD file and a 1:1 copy of it. Sorta the definition of one-to-one.

"Veni, vidi, vino!"
(I came, I saw, I drank wine!)
pepar is online now  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #9722 of 9735 Old 07-20-2016, 10:44 AM
AVS Special Member
 
K_Thompson's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Bakersfield, CA
Posts: 1,165
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 49 Post(s)
Liked: 14
I discovered that even with a wired gigabit network, some devices just can't handle a full 1:1 uncompressed BR rip. My Samsung plasma smart tv with the Plex client is one such device. It could play DVD rips just fine, but would choke on BR rips. I bought an Nvidia Shield TV to use as my client playback device and that solved all my problems.
poppagene likes this.
K_Thompson is offline  
post #9723 of 9735 Old 07-20-2016, 11:08 AM
AVS Special Member
 
metalsaber's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Western, Pennsylvania
Posts: 4,971
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 772 Post(s)
Liked: 614
thats because of what the device can actually support for audio/video codec support. It's quite possible the plex client on your TV isn't capable of doing a direct stream of the ripped movie thus it needs to do transcoding which causes lots of issues with underpowered devices. The shield has the largest support for video and audio codecs out there. So it stands to reason that there would be less need to do any type of transcoding.
metalsaber is online now  
post #9724 of 9735 Old 07-20-2016, 11:19 AM
Wireless member
 
pepar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: On the beach in Quintana Roo
Posts: 26,836
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 706 Post(s)
Liked: 423
Quote:
Originally Posted by metalsaber View Post
thats because of what the device can actually support for audio/video codec support. It's quite possible the plex client on your TV isn't capable of doing a direct stream of the ripped movie thus it needs to do transcoding which causes lots of issues with underpowered devices. The shield has the largest support for video and audio codecs out there. So it stands to reason that there would be less need to do any type of transcoding.
Yes, of course. It is easy to show that a wired gigabit ethernet connection can handle way more than a single uncompressed BD stream.

Jeff

"Veni, vidi, vino!"
(I came, I saw, I drank wine!)
pepar is online now  
post #9725 of 9735 Old 07-20-2016, 12:19 PM
AVS Special Member
 
Brian Conrad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Martinez, CA, USA
Posts: 5,860
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1162 Post(s)
Liked: 540
Quote:
Originally Posted by pepar View Post
Sure. My point was that there is zero dif between the BD file and a 1:1 copy of it. Sorta the definition of one-to-one.
With newer codecs and 2 pass you can't much smaller files with no perceptible difference in picture quality. BD streams are typically around 23-25 Mbps. You can get really nice encodes using h265 (HEVC) at a fraction of the size. You just need a very fast PC to do this. Same with VP9 except that a player needs to be worked out as those files don't seek very well if you want chapters.
Brian Conrad is offline  
post #9726 of 9735 Old 07-20-2016, 12:25 PM
Wireless member
 
pepar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: On the beach in Quintana Roo
Posts: 26,836
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 706 Post(s)
Liked: 423
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian Conrad View Post
With newer codecs and 2 pass you can't much smaller files with no perceptible difference in picture quality. BD streams are typically around 23-25 Mbps. You can get really nice encodes using h265 (HEVC) at a fraction of the size. You just need a very fast PC to do this. Same with VP9 except that a player needs to be worked out as those files don't seek very well if you want chapters.
Yeah, yeah. Some of us don't see any need to compress. So no matter how it is explained to us, well ... yeah, yeah.

Jeff
captainbrent likes this.

"Veni, vidi, vino!"
(I came, I saw, I drank wine!)
pepar is online now  
post #9727 of 9735 Old 07-20-2016, 03:33 PM
AVS Club Gold
 
aaronwt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Northern VA(Woodbridge)
Posts: 27,442
Mentioned: 21 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3905 Post(s)
Liked: 2313
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon S View Post
I have tried using MakeMKV to convert all my discs to full sized MKV files. I have run into some issues with uncompressed files though. While the NAS has no issues streaming the files, a lot of client devices (Blu-Ray players, televisions) respond quite slowly playing back the files. The processors in the client devices cannot quite handle the uncompressed files. When they do, they do not seem to be able to display the subtitles. The files playback fine on my Intel i7 computer with no isses, but my Sony players and Samsung televisions appear to struggle with large files. Once i compress the file down to under eight 8GB, the issues go away.
You need a real media player. I have no issues playing back 1:1 50GB BD ISO rips or 35+GB MKV 1:1 rips with my PCH media players. Playback starts right away or within a few seconds at most.
captainbrent likes this.

53TB unRAID2--41TB unRAID3--35TB unRAID1a
Sony 65x850C--Samsung UBD-K8500--Sony HT-NT3
XBL/PSN: WormholeXtreme
aaronwt is offline  
post #9728 of 9735 Old 07-21-2016, 10:46 PM
AVS Special Member
 
DotJun's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 1,601
Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 540 Post(s)
Liked: 150
Compressed videos actually eat up more CPU than uncompressed bluray, assuming one is using x264's more powerful switches. Uncompressed bluray is easily played on most devices due to dxva compliance.
DotJun is online now  
post #9729 of 9735 Old Yesterday, 03:29 AM
Newbie
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Posts: 1
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 0
hello

hiii welcome to this forum
maxxxwellhenryyy03 is offline  
post #9730 of 9735 Old Yesterday, 06:34 AM
AVS Special Member
 
Ken.F's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: West Rockhill, PA
Posts: 3,827
Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1244 Post(s)
Liked: 1006
Quote:
Originally Posted by DotJun View Post
Uncompressed bluray is easily played on most devices due to dxva compliance.
Where do you get uncompressed blu-rays? All of mine are H.264 or VC-1.
Ken.F is offline  
post #9731 of 9735 Old Yesterday, 12:01 PM
AVS Special Member
 
Brian Conrad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Martinez, CA, USA
Posts: 5,860
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1162 Post(s)
Liked: 540
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken.F View Post
Where do you get uncompressed blu-rays? All of mine are H.264 or VC-1.
With codecs you can get a wide range of compression options. BD's are generally near lossy encoding settings. Some screen capture apps will use high bitrates so frames aren't easily dropped and minimal encoding is done. Of course with BD's video is only part of it some of near lossy audio codecs eat up a bit.

BD chipsets have evolved over the years. I'm one of the AVS folks who had the AVel Linkplayer2 which turned out to be a beta test of Sigma Design's BD chipset. The product manager actually hung out on the topic here. Anyway, as hardware people will tell you chipsets get optomized so they can efficiently decompress highly compressed video files.
Brian Conrad is offline  
post #9732 of 9735 Old Yesterday, 12:08 PM
Wireless member
 
pepar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: On the beach in Quintana Roo
Posts: 26,836
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 706 Post(s)
Liked: 423
I think Ken was cookie-busting.
Ken.F likes this.

"Veni, vidi, vino!"
(I came, I saw, I drank wine!)
pepar is online now  
post #9733 of 9735 Old Today, 12:00 AM
Newbie
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Posts: 2
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
Liked: 0
Not worth the time and effort imo to compress the video. Audio compressed to 640k AC3 5.1 is fine for me.
stonesfan129 is offline  
post #9734 of 9735 Old Today, 05:51 AM
AVS Special Member
 
DotJun's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 1,601
Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 540 Post(s)
Liked: 150
Ripping Blu-Rays II

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken.F View Post
Where do you get uncompressed blu-rays? All of mine are H.264 or VC-1.
I kind of assumed that people on this thread would know that I was talking about recompression when reading my post in context to the post I had quoted.

The important part is that it's a lot easier, hardware wise, to play a non-transcoded video vs one that is. This is of course assuming that you are breaking dxva compliance and having the CPU do all the decoding.

Quote:
Originally Posted by stonesfan129 View Post
Not worth the time and effort imo to compress the video. Audio compressed to 640k AC3 5.1 is fine for me.

It's funny, but I fall in the opposite camp. I have a harder time seeing the difference between a transcoded video stream vs audio.

Last edited by DotJun; Today at 05:55 AM.
DotJun is online now  
post #9735 of 9735 Old Today, 06:15 AM
Wireless member
 
pepar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: On the beach in Quintana Roo
Posts: 26,836
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 706 Post(s)
Liked: 423
Quote:
Originally Posted by DotJun View Post
It's funny, but I fall in the opposite camp. I have a harder time seeing the difference between a transcoded video stream vs audio.
As you age that will become more and more the case. You might even be looking forward (hah!) to redoing your videos at increasingly lower and lower bitrates!

Jeff

"Veni, vidi, vino!"
(I came, I saw, I drank wine!)
pepar is online now  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply Networking, Media Servers & Content Streaming

Tags
3d blu-ray , blu ray , copier , Dune Hd Smart B1 1080p Media Player , home cinema , ripper
Gear in this thread

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page


Forum Jump: 

Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off