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pepar's Avatar pepar 05:02 PM 03-02-2012
I just set up my A-300 and have been experimenting with ripping Blu-rays and the NMJ. When I had my (so far) one ripped movie (Sucker Punch Extended Cut) as an ISO, NMJ downloaded art on the first try. I went back and deleted the ISO and ripped it to "folder structure." OK, well that resulted in a lot of .. folders .. which I copied into the Sucker Punch Extended Cut (2011) folder which is in the shared PCH folder the A-300 points to. But now I am not able to change/edit the info/art - download failed.

edit: it did download, but failed to update.

Jeff

dbone1026's Avatar dbone1026 05:04 PM 03-02-2012
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

I just set up my A-300 and have been experimenting with ripping Blu-rays and the NMJ. When I had my (so far) one ripped movie (Sucker Punch Extended Cut) as an ISO, NMJ downloaded art on the first try. I went back and deleted the ISO and ripped it to "folder structure." OK, well that resulted in a lot of .. folders .. which I copied into the Sucker Punch Extended Cut (2011) folder which is in the shared PCH folder the A-300 points to. But now I am not able to change/edit the info/art - download failed.

Jeff

NMJ stinks, don't bother
GusGus748s's Avatar GusGus748s 05:38 PM 03-02-2012
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NMJ stinks, don't bother

I agree. Probably the worse jukebox for PCH. I had many issues with it when I used to own the A-300.
pepar's Avatar pepar 06:49 PM 03-02-2012
Thanks, I have a lot to sort through and sharing/networking and file format/folder structure were higher on the list than YAMJ. Guess I need to execute out of order instructions.

Damian/anybody - is there any advantage in using BD folder structure over ISO?

Jeff
GusGus748s's Avatar GusGus748s 07:07 PM 03-02-2012
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

Thanks, I have a lot to sort through and sharing/networking and file format/folder structure were higher on the list than YAMJ. Guess I need to execute out of order instructions.

Damian/anybody - is there any advantage in using BD folder structure over ISO?

Jeff

Depends on what type of ISO you are doing. If you are doing a full movie ISO, compared to ClownBD folder structure, you will be saving some space.

The only thing I've been doing ISO are my TV shows, but I'm probably going to change that to MKV's instead, and try to save some space.
pepar's Avatar pepar 06:44 AM 03-03-2012
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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post

Depends on what type of ISO you are doing. If you are doing a full movie ISO, compared to ClownBD folder structure, you will be saving some space.

The only thing I've been doing ISO are my TV shows, but I'm probably going to change that to MKV's instead, and try to save some space.

I was boiling the BD down to the main movie, the lossless audio and, if needed, English subtitles. I had originally planned on ISO's of that but saw some advice to go with "folder structure" so I gave that a shot. Maybe I did not do that correctly ... Clown BD's output was a boatload of folders .. which I dutifully copied into the respective movie folder located in my shared folder. Should I be pulling out some files and deleting a lot of the folders ... most of them were empty anyway. Is there a Folder Structure for Dummies Guide?

Space-wise, there wasn't much difference between (stripped down) ISO compared to the same scheme as "folder structure." Aren't we just talking about the container whether it's ISO, folders or MKV?

Thanks for any guidance!

Jeff
dbone1026's Avatar dbone1026 06:54 AM 03-03-2012
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

I was boiling the BD down to the main movie, the lossless audio and, if needed, English subtitles. I had originally planned on ISO's of that but saw some advice to go with "folder structure" so I gave that a shot. Maybe I did not do that correctly ... Clown BD's output was a boatload of folders .. which I dutifully copied into the respective movie folder located in my shared folder. Should I be pulling out some files and deleting a lot of the folders ... most of them were empty anyway. Is there a Folder Structure for Dummies Guide?

Space-wise, there wasn't much difference between (stripped down) ISO compared to the same scheme as "folder structure." Aren't we just talking about the container whether it's ISO, folders or MKV?

Thanks for any guidance!

Jeff

If you are doing folder rips don't pull anything out, keep as is.

As far as space, if you are putting into an mkv you are only doing main movie/single episode, so you save a lot of space without all the extras that come with a full disc (if you have no interest in)
pepar's Avatar pepar 07:05 AM 03-03-2012
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

If you are doing folder rips don't pull anything out, keep as is.

As far as space, if you are putting into an mkv you are only doing main movie/single episode, so you save a lot of space without all the extras that come with a full disc (if you have no interest in)

ISO, folder, MKV ... what's a boy to do?
GusGus748s's Avatar GusGus748s 07:41 AM 03-03-2012
I am kinda...sorta...probably...and absolutely may be...liking MKV for blu-ray. I noticed that my Dune recognizes chapter with all of my SD movies that have been ripped with MKV.

I ripped the movie The Help (blu-ray) with MKV because I had issues with clowndbd, and it had chapters.

Now, I'm thinking may be I should start using MKV...I don't really care about chapters, but it is nice to have.

However, I had a 30 day trial, and I started testing it with newer movies, and apparently it wouldn't rip it due to decription issues.

So, the big question is...Is it worth spending $50.00 dollars to get the blu-ray capabilities for MakeMKV?
gmd024's Avatar gmd024 07:47 AM 03-03-2012
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

ISO, folder, MKV ... what's a boy to do?

My personal preferences are...

1 - ISOs

2 - MKVs

And I gave up on Folder Structures (ts/m2ts) 'Many' moons ago - too many issues with them
mlknez's Avatar mlknez 08:03 AM 03-03-2012
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

ISO, folder, MKV ... what's a boy to do?

I only do .iso files as it is easy to move, recreate a disc, migrate to another format/res, open with any operating system, etc...
Mathelo's Avatar Mathelo 08:12 AM 03-03-2012
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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post

I am kinda...sorta...probably...and absolutely may be...liking MKV for blu-ray. I noticed that my Dune recognizes chapter with all of my SD movies that have been ripped with MKV.

I ripped the movie The Help (blu-ray) with MKV because I had issues with clowndbd, and it had chapters.

Now, I'm thinking may be I should start using MKV...I don't really care about chapters, but it is nice to have.

However, I had a 30 day trial, and I started testing it with newer movies, and apparently it wouldn't rip it due to decription issues.

So, the big question is...Is it worth spending $50.00 dollars to get the blu-ray capabilities for MakeMKV?

I've been ripping to MKV using the AnyDVD/ClownBD/MKVMerge workflow without issue.
GusGus748s's Avatar GusGus748s 08:25 AM 03-03-2012
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I've been ripping to MKV using the AnyDVD/ClownBD/MKVMerge workflow without issue.

I've never tried MKVMerge. I guess I'll give it a go and see how it works. Do you have to rip the movie with AnyDVD HD first and then use MKVMerge or can you use MKVMerge with AnyDVD HD used in the background?
Mathelo's Avatar Mathelo 08:54 AM 03-03-2012
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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post

I've never tried MKVMerge. I guess I'll give it a go and see how it works. Do you have to rip the movie with AnyDVD HD first and then use MKVMerge or can you use MKVMerge with AnyDVD HD used in the background?

First I use AnyDVD to copy to my local drive in BD folder. This isn't a required step but it is my preference to work from HD to HD rather than DVD drive to HD. From there I use Clown BD to breakout the video and audio tracks and then MKVMerge to reassemble what I need. This process is a little bit more involved than what I prefer but it allows me to keep what I need for both my DUNE and SAGE.

DBONE has an excellent writeup for this workflow here: http://www.mediasmartserver.net/2010...n_bd-mkvmerge/

Louis
mic j's Avatar mic j 08:55 AM 03-03-2012
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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post

I am kinda...sorta...probably...and absolutely may be...liking MKV for blu-ray. I noticed that my Dune recognizes chapter with all of my SD movies that have been ripped with MKV.

I ripped the movie The Help (blu-ray) with MKV because I had issues with clowndbd, and it had chapters.

Now, I'm thinking may be I should start using MKV...I don't really care about chapters, but it is nice to have.

However, I had a 30 day trial, and I started testing it with newer movies, and apparently it wouldn't rip it due to decription issues.

So, the big question is...Is it worth spending $50.00 dollars to get the blu-ray capabilities for MakeMKV?

MakeMKV is free to use while in beta, and it's been in beta a long time. A new key was just posted so that will take it out a few months more. Who knows, it may never get out of beta. I have switched to MakeMKV from ripping iso's with ClownBD. Clown was taking about 3+ hours to rip, MakeMKV takes about an hour. Using mkv's has also fixed a lot of playback problems I have had with my unit, but I am sure that is streamer specific.

Mic
pepar's Avatar pepar 08:58 AM 03-03-2012
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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post

I am kinda...sorta...probably...and absolutely may be...liking MKV for blu-ray. I noticed that my Dune recognizes chapter with all of my SD movies that have been ripped with MKV.

I ripped the movie The Help (blu-ray) with MKV because I had issues with clowndbd, and it had chapters.

Now, I'm thinking may be I should start using MKV...I don't really care about chapters, but it is nice to have.

Chapters, I didn't think about that. But my one test movie did advance and back up a chapter at a time when I used the remote controls. That was an ISO.

Are chapters inconsistently enabled with ISOs?

Jeff
pepar's Avatar pepar 09:00 AM 03-03-2012
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Originally Posted by gmd024 View Post

My personal preferences are...

1 - ISOs

2 - MKVs

And I gave up on Folder Structures (ts/m2ts) 'Many' moons ago - too many issues with them

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Originally Posted by mlknez View Post

I only do .iso files as it is easy to move, recreate a disc, migrate to another format/res, open with any operating system, etc...

I am with you on not using folders, so it's ISO or MKV. Are chapters retained with an ISO of only the main movie, lossless and subs if needed?

If chapters work, then I'd lean to your thinking, mlknez.
pepar's Avatar pepar 09:05 AM 03-03-2012
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Originally Posted by Mathelo View Post

First I use AnyDVD to copy to my local drive in BD folder. This isn't a required step but it is my preference to work from HD to HD rather than DVD drive to HD. From there I use Clown BD to breakout the video and audio tracks and then MKVMerge to reassemble what I need. This process is a little bit more involved than what I prefer but it allows me to keep what I need for both my DUNE and SAGE.

DBONE has an excellent writeup for this workflow here: http://www.mediasmartserver.net/2010...n_bd-mkvmerge/

Louis

Louis, for the initial step, whether copying to hard drive or doing the first step with Clown BD, isn't the limiting factor the BD read speed? I'm really asking if any time is saved, because after the initial read, the operations are HD-to-HD and I bounce the processes around so that there are always two discrete drives involved.

Jeff
GusGus748s's Avatar GusGus748s 09:07 AM 03-03-2012
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Originally Posted by Mathelo View Post

First I use AnyDVD to copy to my local drive in BD folder. This isn't a required step but it is my preference to work from HD to HD rather than DVD drive to HD. From there I use Clown BD to breakout the video and audio tracks and then MKVMerge to reassemble what I need. This process is a little bit more involved than what I prefer but it allows me to keep what I need for both my DUNE and SAGE.

DBONE has an excellent writeup for this workflow here: http://www.mediasmartserver.net/2010...n_bd-mkvmerge/

Louis

With MakeMKV all that is just a click away. That's just too much work for MKVMerge.
pepar's Avatar pepar 09:08 AM 03-03-2012
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MakeMKV is free to use while in beta, and it's been in beta a long time. A new key was just posted so that will take it out a few months more. Who knows, it may never get out of beta. I have switched to MakeMKV from ripping iso's with ClownBD. Clown was taking about 3+ hours to rip, MakeMKV takes about an hour. Using mkv's has also fixed a lot of playback problems I have had with my unit, but I am sure that is streamer specific.

Mic

Well, that would be a real buzzkill to get my library ripped to one scheme or another and find out that there is some inherent issue with it forcing me to redo the whole enchilada.

What problems were you having?

Jeff
GusGus748s's Avatar GusGus748s 09:08 AM 03-03-2012
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Originally Posted by mic j View Post

MakeMKV is free to use while in beta, and it's been in beta a long time. A new key was just posted so that will take it out a few months more. Who knows, it may never get out of beta. I have switched to MakeMKV from ripping iso's with ClownBD. Clown was taking about 3+ hours to rip, MakeMKV takes about an hour. Using mkv's has also fixed a lot of playback problems I have had with my unit, but I am sure that is streamer specific.

Mic

It depends on your computer as well. I use ClownBD and it takes me 45 min. to do 1 movies....other movies that have more stuff like Avatar took about an 1 hr. I've got a W7 PC, Quad Core AMD. My friend has a i7, and he's only takes about 30 to 45 min. per movie.
pepar's Avatar pepar 09:27 AM 03-03-2012
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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post

It depends on your computer as well. I use ClownBD and it takes me 45 min. to do 1 movies....other movies that have more stuff like Avatar took about an 1 hr. I've got a W7 PC, Quad Core AMD. My friend has a i7, and he's only takes about 30 to 45 min. per movie.

Interesting. Right now I have an i7-920 2.66MHz quadcore, but sitting here next to me in a box is an i7-960 3.2GHz. I should time some rips, swap processors and run the rips again.

Jeff
dbone1026's Avatar dbone1026 10:49 AM 03-03-2012
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

Chapters, I didn't think about that. But my one test movie did advance and back up a chapter at a time when I used the remote controls. That was an ISO.

Are chapters inconsistently enabled with ISOs?

Jeff

YOu get full chapter support in both mkvs and folder rips. It is a simple choice somewhat:

- If you want full menus, etc... then disc rip is your only option

- If you only want the main movie without the extra fluff then folder rip or mkv is fine
mic j's Avatar mic j 11:26 AM 03-03-2012
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

Well, that would be a real buzzkill to get my library ripped to one scheme or another and find out that there is some inherent issue with it forcing me to redo the whole enchilada.

What problems were you having?

Jeff

I have a Popbox and it is having issues with iso's after the latest FW upgrade. FF/FR and forced sub issues. I just found that ripping to mkv's solved my problems, I didn't lose anything and it was dramatically faster. I do only main movie rips and I have read that mkv's are a little more consistent if you are streaming to your unit (I am not). You can always convert an mkv back to iso format if need be. I have been using MakeMKV and it has been working flawlessly for me so far.

Mic
mic j's Avatar mic j 11:36 AM 03-03-2012
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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post

It depends on your computer as well. I use ClownBD and it takes me 45 min. to do 1 movies....other movies that have more stuff like Avatar took about an 1 hr. I've got a W7 PC, Quad Core AMD. My friend has a i7, and he's only takes about 30 to 45 min. per movie.

I am on a macbook pro 2.66 duo core and using Windows 7 with bootcamp. I admit it is not the hottest machine out there. But the difference in speed between Clown BD and MakeMKV on the same computer is dramatic. Since I do main movie only, I really don't need iso's. Just think...you could use MakeMKV and rip a BD in about 15 min!!
Mathelo's Avatar Mathelo 12:08 PM 03-03-2012
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

Louis, for the initial step, whether copying to hard drive or doing the first step with Clown BD, isn't the limiting factor the BD read speed? I'm really asking if any time is saved, because after the initial read, the operations are HD-to-HD and I bounce the processes around so that there are always two discrete drives involved.

Jeff

Yes.
mlknez's Avatar mlknez 12:40 PM 03-03-2012
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Originally Posted by pepar View Post

I am with you on not using folders, so it's ISO or MKV. Are chapters retained with an ISO of only the main movie, lossless and subs if needed?

If chapters work, then I'd lean to your thinking, mlknez.

I normally rip the whole disc to .iso but in some cases I rip only the main movie. In both cases, there is no issue with chapters
dbone1026's Avatar dbone1026 01:02 PM 03-03-2012
I have been using Clown_BD for a while and it has been absolutely rock solid for me, ripping to Blu-ray folder rips. Even when I was doing mkv I still preferred Clown_BD + mkvmerge over MakeMKV.

FYI, just in case terminology gets a little mixed, if you are using an ISO you are doing a folder rip (the folder structure is just contained in the ISO). With an mkv you are just grabbing the specific a/v components
mic j's Avatar mic j 01:16 PM 03-03-2012
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

I have been using Clown_BD for a while and it has been absolutely rock solid for me, ripping to Blu-ray folder rips. Even when I was doing mkv I still preferred Clown_BD + mkvmerge over MakeMKV.

FYI, just in case terminology gets a little mixed, if you are using an ISO you are doing a folder rip (the folder structure is just contained in the ISO). With an mkv you are just grabbing the specific a/v components

Well, Damian, I'm a big fan of yours. So before I get too far down the road of using MakeMKV, would you tell me why you prefer Clown/MKVmerge over MakeMKV?

Mic
dbone1026's Avatar dbone1026 01:24 PM 03-03-2012
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Well, Damian, I'm a big fan of yours. So before I get too far down the road of using MakeMKV, would you tell me why you prefer Clown/MKVmerge over MakeMKV?

Mic

For me there were two specific reasons:

1) mkvmerge is what I consider the standard for mkvs, which means (at least in my experience) you are least likely to encounter issues with playback from mkvs created with mkvmerge (at one point some players had issues with HD Audio tracks in MakeMKV, some issues with HD DVDs, etc...). Since I am always testing across a variety of platforms getting the best compatibility is important

2) mkvmerge allows me to be 100% with respect to forced subtitles. There were some issues with MakeMKV not setting the forced subtitle flag, or potentially dealing with subtitles that are forced but not actually flagged as forced on the disc.

Don't get me wrong, MakeMKV is a great option. I use it for my DVDs and for ripping out individual episodes for TV Shows. And I think over time MakeMKV has gotten a lot more reliable. I would suggest if you are using MakeMKV and have zero issues, there is no reason to switch. I just got used to doing it my way (Clown_BD + mkvmerge), and since I already paid for AnyDVD it would make sense to stick with if/when MakeMKV goes fully paid.
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