Originally Posted by jasonkennethrose
There are no audio or subtitle tracks marked with the default flag. Basically no SetStream entries.
Playing this disc in a player that can read the MovieObject.bdmv would not result in seeing the correct forced subtitles events for each language. You would need a player that supports full Blu-Ray menus.
So in other words, here's an example of a Blu-ray disc that has forced subtitle tracks.
But as you've explained, Blu-ray does not support forced tracks.
I don't disagree with any of your technical explanations of the Blu-ray format. But your argument about what constitutes a "forced track" makes no sense. This morning, my ClownBD example was not a "forced track" at all, only a default track. Nevermind that it makes no practical difference to the observer. Nevermind that you are redefining "forced track" to mean something different than the years of forced subtitle discussions here have been talking about. Here you've given an example of a disc that does not have default tracks, yet it has forced tracks. You are undermining your own argument. Wait, let me guess -- you're going to explain how these are not forced tracks, and they are not default tracks, they are some third thing indistinguishable from forced tracks yet definitely not forced tracks.
And why do you keep changing the subject to players that do not support full Blu-ray menus? Of course those players have their own way of dealing with forced tracks. Why is such a player relevant at all to the question of whether the Blu-ray format supports forced tracks?
Your knowledge of Blu-ray is extensive, I'm sure, but your communication skills are poor. Misdirections, irrelevancies, and an unstated but thoroughly confusing pedantic definition of "forced track" that is useless for the purpose of ripping Blu-ray discs.
If I'd known that your definition of "forced track" was so twisted and useless, there would have been no need for all this back and forth. You couldn't have told me that from the beginning and saved us both all the trouble?
I had five glasses of wine with dinner.
I'm really done this time. Enjoy your fantasy world with no forced tracks.