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I really don't see what the fuss is with subtitles... I use MakeMKV to convert my videos to MKV files. I run the MKV files through Handbrake and embed in the forced subs and I am done... (I play back the MKV file on my PC with VLC player. I can manually select each sub to determine which sub track is the appropriate one and embed that track in with Handbrake)
I have a few questions Jon if you do not mind.

Do you use one of the presets or something custom in HandBrake? I just started to RIP my Blu-Ray Collection and I am experimenting with formats using my Star Trek Beyond Disc. I have been reading this thread for some time now and have decided to backup my physical media so that I am able to stream it anywhere and keep my collection safe.

What I am using:
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I plan to use a NAS with 12GB of storage in RAID 5. After reading your post, you seem to already be doing what I want to do. I just want to make sure I understand the process correctly.

1. RIP the Blu-Ray using MakeMKV to a location on my harddrive.
2. Use HandBrake to take that file and strip everything away except for the main title, HD Audio, and necessary subs.
3. Save the file that HandBrake is creating to my NAS.
3. Use my Roku Plex app to steam the content from the NAS ( I know there is some configuration involved with this.)

Would you mind posting your HandBrake settings? I want to have a good place to start. I will also steam it to my projector and a few other devices to make sure everything is good.

Or if anyone else has some recommended Handbrake settings and would not mind posting them with he reason why you chose some of the settings.

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Or if anyone else has some recommended Handbrake settings and would not mind posting them with he reason why you chose some of the settings.
I use the command line with the supplied presets. Pre-1.0 these were the "legacy" presets "Normal" and "High Profile". Those will go away someday so now for...

Blu-ray: HandBrakeCLI -i "input.mkv" -o output.mkv --preset="Very Fast 1080p30" -q 20 -a 1 -E av_aac -s 1

DVD: HandBrakeCLI -i "input.mkv" -o output.mkv --preset="Fast 1080p30" -q 18 -a 1 -E copy:ac3 -s 1

...adjusting the audio and subtitle tracks as needed. I'm indifferent to audio so I don't retain the lossless originals.

You might pick a chapter or two for testing and try a range of presets and "q" values. These have worked for me, but I'm not using a projector or very large screen.

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I have a few questions Jon if you do not mind.

Do you use one of the presets or something custom in HandBrake? I just started to RIP my Blu-Ray Collection and I am experimenting with formats using my Star Trek Beyond Disc. I have been reading this thread for some time now and have decided to backup my physical media so that I am able to stream it anywhere and keep my collection safe.

What I am using:
Asus External Blu-Ray
MakeMKV
HandBrake

I plan to use a NAS with 12GB of storage in RAID 5. After reading your post, you seem to already be doing what I want to do. I just want to make sure I understand the process correctly.

1. RIP the Blu-Ray using MakeMKV to a location on my harddrive.
2. Use HandBrake to take that file and strip everything away except for the main title, HD Audio, and necessary subs.
3. Save the file that HandBrake is creating to my NAS.
3. Use my Roku Plex app to steam the content from the NAS ( I know there is some configuration involved with this.)

Would you mind posting your HandBrake settings? I want to have a good place to start. I will also steam it to my projector and a few other devices to make sure everything is good.

Or if anyone else has some recommended Handbrake settings and would not mind posting them with he reason why you chose some of the settings.
I am currently using the latest version of Handbrake and the settings are completely different from the previous versions... i am still fiddling with the settings but i can tell you that the settings can either rip a disc in 30 minutes or four hours, depending on the quality.

Currently I am using HQ 1080P30 Surround setting with following changes... I use MP4 as the end file
Under the Filters tab.... Deinterlace is Off
Under the Video tab, Encoder tune is Film; Constant quality is 21 or 22
Under the Audio tab, I set the audio bit rate to its maximum setting (usually 1536) and 5.1 or 7.1 with the AAC track
If there are any subtitles, I add them under the subtitle tab...

Using an Intel i7-6700K PC, the encode can take about 60-90 minutes....

If your client supports chapter stops, you have to use MKVToolNix GUI to enable them. This will convert the file to MKV as well...

I STRONGLY suggest you look at a six-bay NAS as a start... A four-bay NAS has a big penalty in overall cost for expansion....
I started off with four 4TB HDD in a RAID-5 array. That ended up with only 10.5TB net space from 16TBs of drives....
If you go with a six-bay NAS, you can get 18TB net space from six 4-TB drives, a jump of 7.5TB. You do not have to buy all the drives at once, you only need three drives and expand as you need them. I ran out of space and had to buy four 6-TB drives for $1000 just to get 16TB of space.... not cost effective.

You can buy a six-bay NAS for $755 but a eight-bay NAS is a "bargain" at $835. An eight bay NAS will give you 25TB net space using 4-TB HDD.

One final point, you MUST use NAS spec'd drives. Desktop drives are not designed for NAS use and fail quicker than NAS type drives. A 4TB WD Red NAS drive sells for about $145.

One thing to consider. WD RED 6TB HDD sells for $250 each. You can buy WD MyBook Duo 12TB drives (which supposed to have two 6TB Red drives inside) for $400, that would save you $50/drive...

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I am currently using the latest version of Handbrake and the settings are completely different from the previous versions... i am still fiddling with the settings but i can tell you that the settings can either rip a disc in 30 minutes or four hours, depending on the quality.

Currently I am using HQ 1080P30 Surround setting with following changes... I use MP4 as the end file
Under the Filters tab.... Deinterlace is Off
Under the Video tab, Encoder tune is Film; Constant quality is 21 or 22
Under the Audio tab, I set the audio bit rate to its maximum setting (usually 1536) and 5.1 or 7.1 with the AAC track
If there are any subtitles, I add them under the subtitle tab...

Using an Intel i7-6700K PC, the encode can take about 60-90 minutes....
I've been thinking about converting all of my 360+ MakeMKV'd Blu-Ray collection. So on a lark I dug up my largest mkv Dances with Wolves (1990) Extended Version which is 3:52:49 long and 44,833,472,417 bytes big.

Loaded up Handbreak 1.0.3 and used your settings on a i7-3770K with a Nvidia GTX670. Took 6 hours, 24 minutes (and the machine was screaming on the second pass) it cut the size down to 13,119,938,621 bytes. Wow, a savings of nearly 32Gb.

I screwed something up though, when the Sioux tribesmen are talking to John Dunbar I get the sub-titles twice. Picture is clean, no defects though.

On Handbreak's Subtitle tab, Foreign Audio Scan (Forced Only, Burn-In checked) was set as default and I added the 1 English (PGS) I ripped with MakeMKV. I guess maybe this is where the problem lies?

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I STRONGLY suggest you look at a six-bay NAS as a start... A four-bay NAS has a big penalty in overall cost for expansion....
Come big or stay at home.

As you can see in my sig, I've found that 6x4tb of usable space isn't quite enough. I still have more TV series Blu-Rays to rip! I'll be replacing the 4Tb Seagates with 8 or 10Tb Ironwolfs as soon as I win Powerball or one by one if I don't.

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Loaded up Handbreak 1.0.3 and used your settings on a i7-3770K with a Nvidia GTX670. Took 6 hours, 24 minutes (and the machine was screaming on the second pass) it cut the size down to 13,119,938,621 bytes. Wow, a savings of nearly 32Gb.
Try using the H.264 Intel QSV video codec in Handbrake. It should speed up the processing considerably and be much less CPU intensive.
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Thanks. Just getting to this now while the STORM continues outside our house in south central PA.

Note that tsMuxeR now used h:m:s.ms for trimming, so the seconds given to trim LOTR extended versions (I am also using the Pt 2 beginning trim time I found on makemkv forum) need to be converted.

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On Handbreak's Subtitle tab, Foreign Audio Scan (Forced Only, Burn-In checked) was set as default and I added the 1 English (PGS) I ripped with MakeMKV. I guess maybe this is where the problem lies?
Yes... You need one subtitle track

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Try using the H.264 Intel QSV video codec in Handbrake. It should speed up the processing considerably and be much less CPU intensive.
Not sure but i think only certain hardware supports this.... I think it needs PCs with integrated graphics processors... It would not work with my i7-6700K, said it was not supported.
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Not sure but i think only certain hardware supports this.... I think it needs PCs with integrated graphics processors... It would not work with my i7-6700K, said it was not supported.
The i7-6700K does have integrated graphics and it supports QSV. Are you using a separate video card?

https://ark.intel.com/products/88195...up-to-4_20-GHz
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The i7-6700K does have integrated graphics and it supports QSV. Are you using a separate video card?

https://ark.intel.com/products/88195...up-to-4_20-GHz
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I guess QSV won't work for you then. Too bad, it makes a huge difference in processing time.
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Read this about QSV...

Quick Sync indeed accelerates ripping speed but meanwhile problems emerge. After a test, we get a lower quality resulting file with larger size when using Quick Sync on HandBrake than using x264. If we want to get a reasonable quality, a better GPU is needed.

This is from WinxDVD... also similar postings on some ripping sites state the same... also, some options in Handbrake gets disabled as QSV did not support them...

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Try using the H.264 Intel QSV video codec in Handbrake. It should speed up the processing considerably and be much less CPU intensive.
Wondershare Video Ultimate Converter is what I use. I create a 6-8 GB MP4 from all my BDs with burned in forced subs in 10-12 minutes on my 8 Core Intel with 1080 Ti. Wondershare is 2-4 times faster than handbrake and uses all 16 threads and 3300 + cuda cores. $ 40.00 bucks well spent.
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I've been thinking about converting all of my 360+ MakeMKV'd Blu-Ray collection. So on a lark I dug up my largest mkv Dances with Wolves (1990) Extended Version which is 3:52:49 long and 44,833,472,417 bytes big.

Loaded up Handbreak 1.0.3 and used your settings on a i7-3770K with a Nvidia GTX670. Took 6 hours, 24 minutes (and the machine was screaming on the second pass) it cut the size down to 13,119,938,621 bytes. Wow, a savings of nearly 32Gb.

I screwed something up though, when the Sioux tribesmen are talking to John Dunbar I get the sub-titles twice. Picture is clean, no defects though.

On Handbreak's Subtitle tab, Foreign Audio Scan (Forced Only, Burn-In checked) was set as default and I added the 1 English (PGS) I ripped with MakeMKV. I guess maybe this is where the problem lies?
I just re did Dances with Wolves on my system with Wondershare Video Ultimate Converter. To compress down original BD extended version to 10-11 GB it took me about 15-17 minutes. I set Wondershare to create an MP4 @ 7000kb/s, 1920 x 1080, 6 channel audio, burned in forced subs. I have done this with every BD in my collection. Over 1000 titles now and grows every Tuesday with new releases. Handbrake is very slow compared to Wondershare. Free or not - my time is worth the $ 40.00 for Wondershare. I create MP4s for when I travel for use on my Android Tablet. I never compress for my Theater room. That is sacrilegious to me. Full BD Quality for main viewing.


On your PC it should take about 60 - 70 minutes max with Wondershare. Image quality is excellent.

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Read this about QSV...

Quick Sync indeed accelerates ripping speed but meanwhile problems emerge. After a test, we get a lower quality resulting file with larger size when using Quick Sync on HandBrake than using x264. If we want to get a reasonable quality, a better GPU is needed.
I think I get reasonable quality and file sizes with QSV.

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This is from WinxDVD... also similar postings on some ripping sites state the same... also, some options in Handbrake gets disabled as QSV did not support them...
I noticed some of the options weren't available but I didn't use them often anyway. I'm happy with Handbrake and QSV but I understand it might not be for everyone.
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I create MP4s for when I travel for use on my Android Tablet. I never compress for my Theater room. That is sacrilegious to me. Full BD Quality for main viewing.
Thank you for clarifying. Your initial post put a lump in my throat.

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There is a way to get QSV even with a separate GPU. I did this to my server when I was converting files for the kids iPad.

http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/...html#r16190611

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There is a way to get QSV even with a separate GPU. I did this to my server when I was converting files for the kids iPad.

http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/...html#r16190611

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I am currently using the latest version of Handbrake and the settings are completely different from the previous versions... i am still fiddling with the settings but i can tell you that the settings can either rip a disc in 30 minutes or four hours, depending on the quality.

Currently I am using HQ 1080P30 Surround setting with following changes... I use MP4 as the end file
Under the Filters tab.... Deinterlace is Off
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If there are any subtitles, I add them under the subtitle tab...

Using an Intel i7-6700K PC, the encode can take about 60-90 minutes....

If your client supports chapter stops, you have to use MKVToolNix GUI to enable them. This will convert the file to MKV as well...

I STRONGLY suggest you look at a six-bay NAS as a start... A four-bay NAS has a big penalty in overall cost for expansion....
I started off with four 4TB HDD in a RAID-5 array. That ended up with only 10.5TB net space from 16TBs of drives....
If you go with a six-bay NAS, you can get 18TB net space from six 4-TB drives, a jump of 7.5TB. You do not have to buy all the drives at once, you only need three drives and expand as you need them. I ran out of space and had to buy four 6-TB drives for $1000 just to get 16TB of space.... not cost effective.

You can buy a six-bay NAS for $755 but a eight-bay NAS is a "bargain" at $835. An eight bay NAS will give you 25TB net space using 4-TB HDD.

One final point, you MUST use NAS spec'd drives. Desktop drives are not designed for NAS use and fail quicker than NAS type drives. A 4TB WD Red NAS drive sells for about $145.

One thing to consider. WD RED 6TB HDD sells for $250 each. You can buy WD MyBook Duo 12TB drives (which supposed to have two 6TB Red drives inside) for $400, that would save you $50/drive...
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Wondershare Video Ultimate Converter is what I use. I create a 6-8 GB MP4 from all my BDs with burned in forced subs in 10-12 minutes on my 8 Core Intel with 1080 Ti. Wondershare is 2-4 times faster than handbrake and uses all 16 threads and 3300 + cuda cores. $ 40.00 bucks well spent.
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Does Wondershare allow pass thorugh of DTS-HD MA and TrueHD audio tracks?


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Does Wondershare allow pass thorugh of DTS-HD MA and TrueHD audio tracks?
I do not think so. But why would it? It is a compression program for those who do not care about 1-1 rips or unmolested video and sound. I think CloneBD does that. I have never used CloneBD because I do not compress for my main viewing, only for travel devices. Android Tablet and Laptop.

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I looked up Wondershare and the reviews were so-so... A number of users say that the program does not perform as promised, that if you are not careful it installs bloatware... When i went to their website, my anti-virus program said that the site was blocked as unsafe...

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I do not think so. But why would it? It is a compression program for those who do not care about 1-1 rips or unmolested video and sound. I think CloneBD does that. I have never used CloneBD because I do not compress for my main viewing, only for travel devices. Android Tablet and Laptop.
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I'm using Handbrake and do high quality compression for my movies, enough to save some space without losing visual quality, but like to keep full quality audio along with an AC3 track for compatibility issues with some of the devices in my home. I can usually cut the file size to 1/3 the original size and you can't even tell the difference. My only complaint is that it takes a l-o-o-o-n-g time with Handbrake.

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Try using the H.264 Intel QSV video codec in Handbrake. It should speed up the processing considerably and be much less CPU intensive.
OK, I was able to enable the built-in Intel Graphics on my PC... I did a Handbrake encode of the movie Passengers... Ran into a few issues:
  • The file size was considerably bigger (almost twice the size) than using the regular Handbrake H.264 encoder
  • The image quality was noticeably less detailed than the default Handbrake H.264 decoder
  • The killer was that the end file would break up into a mosquito noise pattern every several seconds
Intel QSV was noticeably faster, about 10 times faster... Even if the noise pattern was not there, I would be hesitant to use the Intel QSV... The picture quality was noticeably softer, it look more like a 720P image...

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OK, thanks.


I'm using Handbrake and do high quality compression for my movies, enough to save some space without losing visual quality, but like to keep full quality audio along with an AC3 track for compatibility issues with some of the devices in my home. I can usually cut the file size to 1/3 the original size and you can't even tell the difference. My only complaint is that it takes a l-o-o-o-n-g time with Handbrake.
I found the same. The time is quite a bit longer using Handbrake. Not really sure why. Very similar settings on Wondershare yield nearly identical picture quality in 1/4 the time. I purchased lifetime 7 years ago and have had good luck with it. I just tried handbrake again with new release and compared to Wondershare. Handbrake was 45 minutes and Wondershare was 10 minutes. My test movie was 11 Cloverfield Lane. I tested both finished MP4s on my 80" TV and could see no difference between the two. I did see a big difference between the two and the full ISO on my Dunes, but that is to be expected. On my 10" tablet and 5.5" phone they look incredible @ 1080P/23.97
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I looked up Wondershare and the reviews were so-so... A number of users say that the program does not perform as promised, that if you are not careful it installs bloatware... When i went to their website, my anti-virus program said that the site was blocked as unsafe...
I have never had an issue with it and I am in the IT business. Several of my clients use it also. I use Eset AV on all my Servers and workstations and it never flagged it as risky. I just downloaded again from their site and my SonicWall and Eset had no issues what so ever. I would never recommend something on here that would put another members PC in harms way. Are you sure you went to correct site?

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Though it is 1:1 with a drive failure limited to the number of parity drives.
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I looked up Wondershare and the reviews were so-so... A number of users say that the program does not perform as promised, that if you are not careful it installs bloatware... When i went to their website, my anti-virus program said that the site was blocked as unsafe...
http://www.pcworld.com/article/20477...ture-rich.html

This review was positive, What review did you read and what users say it was not good?

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