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I just don't understand why I lose the option to fix the covers if I just to stick to a single share and don't use ML. Is this the part where I'm forced to add my own art to the individual folders on my PC? Sigh ...and ugh.

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I just don't understand why I lose the option to fix the covers if I just to stick to a single share and don't use ML. Is this the part where I'm forced to add my own art to the individual folders on my PC? Sigh ...and ugh.

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I think if you scan this thread you will find some discussion of at least semi-automated alternatives to using ML to manage content info...

But if you can find the right combination of settings on the SMP (and maybe your router) ML may work well enough for you.

Part of my problem is caused by shutting down the network every night - the SMP seems to work better when connected 24/7. One problem for sure is when it attempts a rescan while disconnected - it seems to think shares have been deleted and stops trying to reconnect even when the network is back up. I should probably power down the SMP when not in use, but I prefer standby so the local USB drive is available on the network...

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^ Thanks. I just think it's so, well, pathetic, that we're still dealing with issues like this years and years into this products and whole local streaming process. I did a restart yday, but I otherwise keep my cpu going, 24/7 so we'll see what happens.

This box is so close to being perfect IMO. It's a shame this newest iteration didn't hammer on its few hiccups.

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^ Thanks. I just think it's so, well, pathetic, that we're still dealing with issues like this years and years into this products and whole local streaming process. I did a restart yday, but I otherwise keep my cpu going, 24/7 so we'll see what happens.

This box is so close to being perfect IMO. It's a shame this newest iteration didn't hammer on its few hiccups.

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Well even my ethernet-connected Win8 system loses network shares sometimes - seems like more often than my Win7, and maybe even my old Vista laptop - so I can't be too critical of the SMP on WiFi...

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Picked up a 4th gen unit yesterday. Had a problem accessing my share...until I clicked off the "password sharing" that's on by default in Win 7, lol.

Now though, it keeps dropping my Media Library, stating there is no content. Of course when I go back and regenerate the library or re-access the share, everything is fine.
You are not alone in your frustration. Windows-7 file sharing is enough to pull our hair out by the roots. Win-XP was so easy and dependable -- my Live's never had a problem accessing SMB shares on XP. It seems that Win-7 only works good with other Win-7 boxes.

I have a recurring problem. My Media-PC runs Win-7 Pro and holds all my BD rips and HDTV captures. Far too often I will direct the Live-SMP to the Media-PC through Windows Shares (for the HDTV captures) and be met with a screen requesting username and password -- neither of which should be needed so there is never any solution for a login. It will connect fine one day and then not the next. Sometimes cold booting the Live-SMP and the Media-PC will help -- sometimes not. A month ago I stopped using DHCP and assigned static IP addresses to my servers and clients. That seemed to take care of it for a couple weeks and I foolishly thought problem solved -- until it returned. In contrast, I never have problems accessing the same shares from my other Win-7 PC's. There is obviously a Win-7 networking complexity that plays hell with other non-MS devices trying to access SMB shares. That same Win-7 server also runs Mezzmo DLNA server which is what I use to stream all the BD.m2ts rips. The Live-SMP's have never once had an issue connecting through Mezzmo.

I finally gave up and moved the HDTV captures to my D-Link NAS units where I store all the DVD.iso rips. The Live's never have a problem accessing their Linux SAMBA shares.

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I have one share that requires a password. Once set up, I've never been prompted again.

BUT I do occasionally get prompted on a non-password-protected share, and have to click the checkmark to access it. That particular idiosyncrasy has never occurred on any other device, so it does seem to be SMP-related...

On a fairly unrelated note, my WIN7 & 8 systems reconnect to the password-protected drive automatically, but Vista makes me run a batch file every time; then once logged on I have about 3 seconds to access the drive before I lose the logon; and then I have to keep a folder open for my entire session to retain the logon. I don't know if that's normal Vista behavior or I need some kind of config tweak...

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Thanks for the info Kelson. Yeah, I suppose I don't really mean to bomb on the SMP, but rather, on the process, period. It just seems that these issues should simply not exist at this point in 2014. It's so frustrating to a non IT guy when this seemingly simple task (for 2014, anyway) just cannot lock in and be done.

Someone gave me a tip on modifying the registry to better equip my PC for sharing so perhaps I'll try that if things don't settle down.

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Someone gave me a tip on modifying the registry to better equip my PC for sharing so perhaps I'll try that if things don't settle down.
That's exactly what I mean about Win-7. We should not have to be hacking the registry keys to get simple file-sharing with non-Windows devices to work.

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^ I concur 100%. At this point I've given up on having it all with an MP...or even a B level experience-- I just want something that looks "decent" and is relatively reliable.

When I move up to a new PRE/PRO that can send HDMI audio to zones this will all end...a $150-$175 NUC to run XBMC and that'll be that.

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Patience, patience - I read somewhere that MS is hard at work on a Bill Gates Centennial version of Windows that will address all these problems - the only holdup is development of processors that can do 500 teraFLOPS. And you'll be able to reboot in less time than Windows 3.1 on an 80286!

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I'm sure this has been mentioned before, and it may or my not be a solution/workround for others, but adding local storage to the SMP (an 8GB USB stick in my case) solved(?) all the problems of disappearing Media Library shares for me.

I messed around with power-up sequences, power-down sequences, Master Browser settings, sharing, logons, but plugging that little stick in cured my particular headaches. I set it up with one small video file present.

The SMP seems to do scans when in standby. If the media storage PCs are off, there is nowhere to store/save the Library info without local storage. It appears to be called uniondb.cas_xxxx.... Sometimes I have to rescan the shares to find new files, but it always remembers the directories.

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I'm sure this has been mentioned before, and it may or my not be a solution/workround for others, but adding local storage to the SMP (an 8GB USB stick in my case) solved(?) all the problems of disappearing Media Library shares for me.
I do this... Though it wasn't an issue for me with disappearing shares, having a local copy of the media library database speeds things up quite a bit just with browsing / searching, because it's not having to access the database file over the network.

It's a fairly simple "fix" -- just plug in a blank FAT32-formatted USB stick, and reboot the box. The WDTV will create a consolidated copy of the database on the memory stick, and voila.
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I'm sure this has been mentioned before, and it may or my not be a solution/workround for others, but adding local storage to the SMP (an 8GB USB stick in my case) solved(?) all the problems of disappearing Media Library shares for me.

I messed around with power-up sequences, power-down sequences, Master Browser settings, sharing, logons, but plugging that little stick in cured my particular headaches. I set it up with one small video file present.

The SMP seems to do scans when in standby. If the media storage PCs are off, there is nowhere to store/save the Library info without local storage. It appears to be called uniondb.cas_xxxx.... Sometimes I have to rescan the shares to find new files, but it always remembers the directories.
FWIW my local drive has the .wd_tv folder with that file but still loses the shares, so there must be another factor involved...

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I do this... Though it wasn't an issue for me with disappearing shares, having a local copy of the media library database speeds things up quite a bit just with browsing / searching, because it's not having to access the database file over the network.

It's a fairly simple "fix" -- just plug in a blank FAT32-formatted USB stick, and reboot the box. The WDTV will create a consolidated copy of the database on the memory stick, and voila.
I have those .wd_tv folders on every share as well as the local drive - since I've moved stuff around so much lately I'm thinking it might be a good idea to delete them all and see if the SMP will consolidate everything on the local drive?

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I have those .wd_tv folders on every share as well as the local drive - since I've moved stuff around so much lately I'm thinking it might be a good idea to delete them all and see if the SMP will consolidate everything on the local drive?
It doesn't consolidate everything -- there will still be .wd_tv folders on every share and drive.

The consolidated database is a single file made up of all those others -- it's got the name "uniondb" or something like that in the file name, with the MAC address of the WDTV.

Each WDTV will have only one UNIONDB file that it uses.
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It doesn't consolidate everything -- there will still be .wd_tv folders on every share and drive.

The consolidated database is a single file made up of all those others -- it's got the name "uniondb" or something like that in the file name, with the MAC address of the WDTV.

Each WDTV will have only one UNIONDB file that it uses.
Oops - should have looked in the folders. So I guess nothing to be gained by forcing a refresh?

[Edit] For example, I'm wondering if I might be confusing it when I swap various network drives in and out of the share mix - which I'm guessing might leave stale data in that uniondb file...

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It seems to be pretty good not leaving stale data behind in the union file.

In fact, if you delete the share that contains the union file, the file itself will be "abandoned," and a new one will be created on another share.

IIRC, unless there's a Local USB disk, the alphabetically first Share Name will hold the uniondb file.

Since the database itself is just a cheesy sqlite database "flat file", it can't do garbage collection that efficiently. Therefore, I occasionally clear the media library and let it rebuild.

But, I don't think it'll solve the disappearing share issue you've seen.
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It seems to be pretty good not leaving stale data behind in the union file.

In fact, if you delete the share that contains the union file, the file itself will be "abandoned," and a new one will be created on another share.

IIRC, unless there's a Local USB disk, the alphabetically first Share Name will hold the uniondb file.

Since the database itself is just a cheesy sqlite database "flat file", it can't do garbage collection that efficiently. Therefore, I occasionally clear the media library and let it rebuild.

But, I don't think it'll solve the disappearing share issue you've seen.
Thanks - interesting info. I'll soon be replacing the local 750GB drive with a 1.5TB containing all my movies (they're a small fraction of my TV content) so it will rebuild at that time. I've got a wireless keyboard on the 2nd USB but hardly ever use it so I might end up hanging 2 drives on the SMP. (Gotta feel sorry for those Roku and FireTV users without the flexibility of 2 fully functional USB's)...

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Is there any software that I can use on my PC that will generate the movie details, thumbnails, etc... for a USB drive?
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Is there any software that I can use on my PC that will generate the movie details, thumbnails, etc... for a USB drive?
IF that content is accessible on the network via share, then you could download MyMovies. It's free and produces the album art and xml files. That's what I use.

Here's a tutorial I made. A bit lengthy. And there is a newer version of MM out with some great new features. anyway
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I don't really have any screeshots to provide.
Have you tried looking through these TUTORIALS and also looking on their forum?
I you have any specific questions, I might be able to answer them.
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Is anyone else as of late having issues with their WDTV Live SMP just hard locking and stop responding to the remote? This mostly happens when I have a programmed paused and I try to replay it. This happened when I had a windows share on a desktop PC and is now happening from my NAS via a samba share as well.

I haven't tried playing anything off a USB drive, but this has been happening more frequently as of late. Firmware is up to date and files being played are usually MKV. I'm almost wondering if I shouldn't let Twonky do the work and stream that way. I know i'd loose out on some quality more than likely, but it might be less problematic than streaming off a samba share, if that's even the issue.
I'm having the exact same problem that just started maybe a month ago. As you said, it usually freezes when you've paused the program for more than a couple seconds. But I've also had it where I've unpaused a program and the bottom scroll (shows the program name plus options to close or skip to desired time) wouldn't go away. I've also had it where the WDTV went back to the main screen after the program ended, but none of the buttons worked, not even power.

It's a very annoying problem that makes the WDTV almost unusable for more than one, continuously watched, file.

Were you able to figure out a fix?
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I'm having the exact same problem that just started maybe a month ago. As you said, it usually freezes when you've paused the program for more than a couple seconds. But I've also had it where I've unpaused a program and the bottom scroll (shows the program name plus options to close or skip to desired time) wouldn't go away. I've also had it where the WDTV went back to the main screen after the program ended, but none of the buttons worked, not even power.

It's a very annoying problem that makes the WDTV almost unusable for more than one, continuously watched, file.

Were you able to figure out a fix?


This is an ongoing issue with people on the official WDTV forums and there is no fix yet. Some people have reported that reverting back to the previous non 2.0 firmware seems to fix the issue or setting it to read your NFS shares does the trick. I haven't had time to revert back yet, but will try that. I was hoping to hold out until a new firmware addressed these issues.

I have found that rebooting random machines on the network seem to unlock the player. Sometimes even mobile devices. Give that a try.
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I cant find where, if its even possible, to have my smp to go to 'files' when turning it on. It always go 'videos'.

I started (& then stopped) to create a list of suggestions for improving this thing, but on their particular page for suggestions, the same issues I have are addressed numerious times over the previous 3-4 years. I really dont see much point in telling them anything after they have ignored so many other's same suggestions.

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This is an ongoing issue with people on the official WDTV forums and there is no fix yet. Some people have reported that reverting back to the previous non 2.0 firmware seems to fix the issue or setting it to read your NFS shares does the trick. I haven't had time to revert back yet, but will try that. I was hoping to hold out until a new firmware addressed these issues.

I have found that rebooting random machines on the network seem to unlock the player. Sometimes even mobile devices. Give that a try.
Reverted back to the most recent 1.x firmware and it seems the problem has gone away.
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Reverted back to the most recent 1.x firmware and it seems the problem has gone away.
I don't know if it is important to you but by reverting you lose DTS-HD pass-through.

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Hey, I've got the WD TV Live, wdbaan0000nbk-00, and I see a couple of new generations have been made. Are there any functional reasons to upgrade, other than built in wireless?
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Hey, I've got the WD TV Live, wdbaan0000nbk-00, and I see a couple of new generations have been made. Are there any functional reasons to upgrade, other than built in wireless?
I think if you simply read the user's manual, it'll be fairly clear what all the changes are.
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