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I am tired of not being able to find much in terms of Bluray rentals so I am looking at other options. I have a 120" Projection setup and would like to find a device that works with VUDU as this seems to be the best 1080P streaming service at the moment.

Not sure if there are any devices that also do HD audio or true 5.1 audio via streaming but that would be nice. I like the new Apple TV but have read that their 1080p is pretty compressed. Thanks!
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I am tired of not being able to find much in terms of Bluray rentals so I am looking at other options. I have a 120" Projection setup and would like to find a device that works with VUDU as this seems to be the best 1080P streaming service at the moment.

Not sure if there are any devices that also do HD audio or true 5.1 audio via streaming but that would be nice. I like the new Apple TV but have read that their 1080p is pretty compressed. Thanks!

Where did you read that?.....is it more so compressed than VUDU or just a comparison to actual BD discs?
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compared to blu ray discs...

After doing a bunch more research it looks like a boxee box is maybe the way to go if I am going down the VUDU path.

Are there any other 1080p steaming services that I should look into that have great video quality?
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compared to blu ray discs...

After doing a bunch more research it looks like a boxee box is maybe the way to go if I am going down the VUDU path.

Are there any other 1080p steaming services that I should look into that have great video quality?

Sorry Temple, .....don't mean to come off like a jerk but the point I was getting at is VUDU higher quality than iTunes 1080p? The reason I bring it up is I agree it's Apples approach of compression. I believe they found an acceptable compromise between quality and the reliability of the stream.
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Sorry Temple, .....don't mean to come off like a jerk but the point I was getting at is VUDU higher quality than iTunes 1080p? The reason I bring it up is I agree it's Apples approach of compression. I believe they found an acceptable compromise between quality and the reliability of the stream.

I Agree with mayhem... if your main use for the media player is for streaming from Vudu - online streaming of Quality HD 1080p is not going to be better than if you have a hard copy or "back up copy" playing from a usb HDD or on your home local network... Online streaming of all 1080p is mostly compressed to optimize streaming to lessen the loads on CDNs and their network... An Apple TV would do just fine, along with a Roku and the new NETGEAR... if you don't mind spend a few more bucks go with the newest WDTV Live streaming so you can playback local content too..

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If you don't plan to stream local content then the Boxee Box is way overkill at its price point. If all you want to do stream online content and VUDU being primary try the Netgear NeoTV 200, hard to beat as VUDU streamer for $49.

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compared to blu ray discs...

After doing a bunch more research it looks like a boxee box is maybe the way to go if I am going down the VUDU path.

Are there any other 1080p steaming services that I should look into that have great video quality?

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Sorry Temple, .....don't mean to come off like a jerk but the point I was getting at is VUDU higher quality than iTunes 1080p? The reason I bring it up is I agree it's Apples approach of compression. I believe they found an acceptable compromise between quality and the reliability of the stream.

I am not sure which ones looks better as there have been no comparisons that I have been able to find. I have just read that VUDU looks really good for steaming 1080p content. I wonder if the VUDU streams are less compressed than Apple's.
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I Agree with mayhem... if your main use for the media player is for streaming from Vudu - online streaming of Quality HD 1080p is not going to be better than if you have a hard copy or "back up copy" playing from a usb HDD or on your home local network... Online streaming of all 1080p is mostly compressed to optimize streaming to lessen the loads on CDNs and their network... An Apple TV would do just fine, along with a Roku and the new NETGEAR... if you don't mind spend a few more bucks go with the newest WDTV Live streaming so you can playback local content too..

I was never comparing a hard copy or bluray to 1080p streaming. I am just trying to find the best quality streaming service in 1080p with a good device.
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Thanks for the pointer to the Netgear. Looks like a nice device and was not listed on the VUDU site as being supported.

Couple more questions...

Will I notice any difference between a boxee and the netgear for 1080p streaming video quality? Does one have better processing?

What is the best 1080p streaming service in terms of amount of content and the least compression?
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Thanks for the pointer to the Netgear. Looks like a nice device and was not listed on the VUDU site as being supported.

Couple more questions...

Will I notice any difference between a boxee and the netgear for 1080p streaming video quality? Does one have better processing?

What is the best 1080p streaming service in terms of amount of content and the least compression?

Vudu is currently the best streaming service that is out there... however, the AppleTV doing 1080P has not really been put head to head against it, which should be understandable seeing as the AppleTV 3 has only been released now for less than 24 hours.

However, as a self-appointed blu-ray snob, streaming services still fail to live up to blu-ray disc quality on my 65" plasma.

Then there's the issue of audio. The crappy highly compressed DD 5.1 tracks available with streamed movies are a pale pale comparison to the Dolby True-HD and DTS-MA available with blu-ray discs.

Even the 'core' DTS track from DTS-MA blows the doors off of any audio available from any current streamed format.
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I am a long time VUDU advocate well before Walmart purchased. I have viewed VUDU HDX on the original VUDU box which I still own, the Boxee Box and the Netgear NTV200. I could not tell any difference in quality on my 73" Mitsu DLP.

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Thanks for the pointer to the Netgear. Looks like a nice device and was not listed on the VUDU site as being supported.

Couple more questions...

Will I notice any difference between a boxee and the netgear for 1080p streaming video quality? Does one have better processing?

What is the best 1080p streaming service in terms of amount of content and the least compression?

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Costco has a blu-ray player that plays: Netflix, Vudu, Hulu, Cinemanow, among others for less than $100 bucks. I was thinking about buying one since they had them on sale for $70 dollars a couple of months ago.

So, if you only want streaming and do not want to spend that much I would go that route. Or buy the WDTV2. I bought on for my parents and it streams Netflix, Hulu and Vudu and other stuff as well just pefectly with wifi connection.

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For now I just picked up a Netgear NTV200 as the price is right. Would really like to hear how the 1080p Apple TV with itunes compares to the VUDU streaming. Hope we start seeing some reviews here soon. I have a month to play around with the Netgear and if I do not like it I might give the Apple TV 1080p a shot.
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for me (emphasis on ME) in terms of quality...

BD via PS3 > Vudu HDX via PS3 > Apple TV @ 720p > any standard DVD via PS3.

Im getting a ATV3 tomorrow, so I wont know till then about the 1080p on it.
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Very cool! Would love to hear your feedback on the ATV3 compared to the others you mentioned...mainly VUDU.
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for me (emphasis on ME) in terms of quality...

BD via PS3 > Vudu HDX via PS3 > Apple TV @ 720p > any standard DVD via PS3.

Im getting a ATV3 tomorrow, so I wont know till then about the 1080p on it.

I've got a PS3 and Xbox360 and Slim. I've tried Vudu on all three of them, and the quality and sound are equal. However, my kids use the PS3 more since they are use to it. Netflix looks better on xbox though.

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Very cool! Would love to hear your feedback on the ATV3 compared to the others you mentioned...mainly VUDU.

I am also sort of interested in the ATV3 since it's supposed to do 1080p. I want to hack it and try XBMC.

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Is the VUDU on the PS3 1080p? For some reason I thought it was limited to 720.


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for me (emphasis on ME) in terms of quality...

BD via PS3 > Vudu HDX via PS3 > Apple TV @ 720p > any standard DVD via PS3.

Im getting a ATV3 tomorrow, so I wont know till then about the 1080p on it.

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Is the VUDU on the PS3 1080p? For some reason I thought it was limited to 720.

Depends on what format you rent it, but it has 1080p.

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I tried my first movie using VUDU last night. Not all that impressed with HDX. On my 120" projection screen the image looks pretty soft. I also had audio popping issues throughout the movie which seem to be an issue with the service. Looks like I will be trying an Apple TV 1080p after all...
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I tried my first movie using VUDU last night. Not all that impressed with HDX. On my 120" projection screen the image looks pretty soft. I also had audio popping issues throughout the movie which seem to be an issue with the service. Looks like I will be trying an Apple TV 1080p after all...

I have no issues with HDX, and I can tell a difference on my 50inch plasma with a 9 foot viewing distance. Could it be your streaming speed?

Once I get the ATV3, I will post up the difference
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That's the problem with all of this streaming nonsense. It's unreliable. We have a very high speed cable connection and have still had movies have a moment of dropout on occasion or had the speed downgrade during a movie.

If I watch a movie I want to be absorbed in it, having any kind of audio/video anomaly is a very jarring experience that takes me right out of the frame of mind I want to be in while watching a film.
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My streaming speed is very solid. So you are saying that you can tell a difference at 9ft. Difference between what? I will give the Apple TV a shot but might be going back to trying to rent bluray. Rental on bluray seems pretty limited in my area. Blockbuster is getting less and less in at my local store and I bet they are gone within the year. Any good rental places online for bluray besides Netflix?
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I have no issues with my ATV2's but they're wired.....wireless just ain't ready for HD streaming with reliability. A Gigabit wired network gets the job done solidly. The only remaining variable is your provider.
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I am running wired only and connection is very solid.
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My streaming speed is very solid. So you are saying that you can tell a difference at 9ft. Difference between what? I will give the Apple TV a shot but might be going back to trying to rent bluray. Rental on bluray seems pretty limited in my area. Blockbuster is getting less and less in at my local store and I bet they are gone within the year. Any good rental places online for bluray besides Netflix?

I am comparing Vudu streaming from a boxee box to Blu-ray sourced MKV content at a distance of about 9-11' on a 65" display.
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I am comparing Vudu streaming from a boxee box to Blu-ray sourced MKV content at a distance of about 9-11' on a 65" display.

I agree.....net streaming isn't for everyone....at least not those looking for the highest quality possible. On my 50" plasma's and casual viewing, I'm happy. On my 106" PJ in the HT....not a chance. I stick to showcase hard media and stored content from my PC....Sports in HD is OK too.
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I've stream VUDU movies HDX via wired and wireless and both look awesome on my 50" Plasmas.

I've also stream wireless at my parent's house with the WDTV2, and they internet is U-Verse DSL fiberoptics with a speed of 6 mbps, and it streams perfectly.

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Ratm, did you get your ATV3 today? If so how do you think it compares to HDX streaming?
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I want to find out when the ATV3 will be hackable to use XBMC. Only then I will be interested in buying one.

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