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I've search on this forum, and on LimeTech forum about backing up your data. I was thinking of building another unraid server just for back up purposes, but I am wondering if it would be better to use Crashplan, Carbonite, Mozy etc instead.

I was mainly searching for customers' reviews for the above mention data back up providers.

I've got approximately a little over 8TB of data that I want to back up. So, I was wondering if any of the AVS Forum member would give their opinion or recommendation?
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I've search on this forum, and on LimeTech forum about backing up your data. I was thinking of building another unraid server just for back up purposes, but I am wondering if it would be better to use Crashplan, Carbonite, Mozy etc instead.

I was mainly searching for customers' reviews for the above mention data back up providers.

I've got approximately a little over 8TB of data that I want to back up. So, I was wondering if any of the AVS Forum member would give their opinion or recommendation?


What's your internet connection speed?

I'm on 25mb down but only 2 up... so it'd take 874 days to back up my ~18TB of disk to "the cloud" (and several months to restore it) hence kinda worthless to me versus local backup (or just smart use of RAID, which is NOT backup, but at least survives most reasonable hardware failures)

At my speeds 8TB could be uploaded in, what, a bit under a year roughly? And a bit under a month to restore... So probably still not super useful

Now, if you've got one of those nice uber FIOS connections available, recently announced to go as high as 300/65, that's a whole other story... you could back up 8TB in a week or so.. and restore in just a few days.
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I've search on this forum, and on LimeTech forum about backing up your data. I was thinking of building another unraid server just for back up purposes, but I am wondering if it would be better to use Crashplan, Carbonite, Mozy etc instead.

I was mainly searching for customers' reviews for the above mention data back up providers.

I've got approximately a little over 8TB of data that I want to back up. So, I was wondering if any of the AVS Forum member would give their opinion or recommendation?

I have tried them all and Crashplan does the best job as far as pure backup. Carbonite does not limit your upload speed at all. The others choke your speed as your utilization increases even though they tout themselves as unlimited (carbonite can take up to 5 years if you have 1TB!) I currently have 16TB stored at Crashplan. But you must realize that it is not an archiving service and if you delete files on your source data storage, it will eventually be purged from crashplan as well.
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What's your internet connection speed?

I'm on 25mb down but only 2 up... so it'd take 874 days to back up my ~18TB of disk to "the cloud" (and several months to restore it) hence kinda worthless to me versus local backup (or just smart use of RAID, which is NOT backup, but at least survives most reasonable hardware failures)

At my speeds 8TB could be uploaded in, what, a bit under a year roughly? And a bit under a month to restore... So probably still not super useful

Now, if you've got one of those nice uber FIOS connections available, recently announced to go as high as 300/65, that's a whole other story... you could back up 8TB in a week or so.. and restore in just a few days.

I used to have comcast at 35mbps down / 10 mbps up. Now, I've got ATT Uverse, which is a lot slower at 12 mbps down / 1.5 mbps up. So, it pretty much not worth it to me at the moment. May be not to back up my media, but personal data would be okay.

I guess I'll just have to build another unraid server.

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I have tried them all and Crashplan does the best job as far as pure backup. Carbonite does not limit your upload speed at all. The others choke your speed as your utilization increases even though they tout themselves as unlimited (carbonite can take up to 5 years if you have 1TB!) I currently have 16TB stored at Crashplan. But you must realize that it is not an archiving service and if you delete files on your source data storage, it will eventually be purged from crashplan as well.

Thanks for letting me know about the speed cap. I'm probably going to open an account with crashplan and only upload my most valuable data.
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I used to have comcast at 35mbps down / 10 mbps up. Now, I've got ATT Uverse, which is a lot slower at 12 mbps down / 1.5 mbps up. So, it pretty much not worth it to me at the moment. May be not to back up my media, but personal data would be okay.

I guess I'll just have to build another unraid server.

Thanks for letting me know about the speed cap. I'm probably going to open an account with crashplan and only upload my most valuable data.

With CrashPlan you can create and prioritize data sets, so you can put your important stuff in one high priority data set and put all else in a second set. Then just keep your backup going always
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Personally, I copy my important stuff to discs and then bring them to the office and store them in my desk.

For me, off site storage is important, but online storage is impractical for large amounts of data.

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I've search on this forum, and on LimeTech forum about backing up your data. I was thinking of building another unraid server just for back up purposes, but I am wondering if it would be better to use Crashplan, Carbonite, Mozy etc instead.

I was mainly searching for customers' reviews for the above mention data back up providers.

I've got approximately a little over 8TB of data that I want to back up. So, I was wondering if any of the AVS Forum member would give their opinion or recommendation?

I back up everything other than my movie collection using Spideroak. It's very similar to Crashplan, but offers two things I haven't seen in any other client.

1) Cross platform sync profiles so I can sync OSX, Linux, and Windows document libraries across machines.
2) They are the only online backup I know of that doesn't have access to your data. Details here:

https://spideroak.com/engineering_matters#user_auth

Makes me feel better about passing work documents through their system.

My movie collection is all backed up on the media it was purchased on, and catalouged online for any DR repurchases.

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A couple of LTO tapes?
Do people still use tapes to backup loads of data?
Probably not economically suitable for only 8TB of data.
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I've search on this forum, and on LimeTech forum about backing up your data. I was thinking of building another unraid server just for back up purposes, but I am wondering if it would be better to use Crashplan, Carbonite, Mozy etc instead.

I was mainly searching for customers' reviews for the above mention data back up providers.

I've got approximately a little over 8TB of data that I want to back up. So, I was wondering if any of the AVS Forum member would give their opinion or recommendation?



I have 13TB of data and Crashplan would take about 1.9 years to back it all up. So I really would NEVER have a complete backup because it would never finish. I only have 1.5Mbs up. Unless you have a huge upload stream, rule out any cloud based services. I have an unraid server and Synology. There isn't a stable unraid yet that can handle 3TB drives ( i know, been a real long time ) but are working on it. 3TB drives been out what a year or longer? Anyway the Synology was expensive as heck but it just works.
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I have 13TB of data and Crashplan would take about 1.9 years to back it all up. So I really would NEVER have a complete backup because it would never finish. I only have 1.5Mbs up. Unless you have a huge upload stream, rule out any cloud based services. I have an unraid server and Synology. There isn't a stable unraid yet that can handle 3TB drives ( i know, been a real long time ) but are working on it. 3TB drives been out what a year or longer? Anyway the Synology was expensive as heck but it just works.

Windows 8 storage spaces is even faster in the release candidate preview that just came out a couple of days ago and it works with both 3 and 4 TB drives.
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Windows 8 storage spaces is even faster in the release candidate preview that just came out a couple of days ago and it works with both 3 and 4 TB drives.

Im still waiting for the final of server 8. Ive heard a lot of good things about it. Im considering switching from unRAID to win server 8 due to unRAID app / pluggings being a PIA to install and set up correctly.
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As far as "cloud" based backup -- aside from the impracticality of transferring huge amounts of data over comparatively small pipes, it seems to me your ISP would be decidedly unhappy with you trying to upload (or download) TB's of data to an on-line server. Especially true of people with cable Internet and bandwidth caps.

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Storage Spaces sounds cool, until you read the write performance issues for parity disks in this thread:

http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/winserver8gen/thread/64aff15f-2e34-40c6-a873-2e0da5a355d2/
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I use FlexRAID on my server, but then go one step further with documents and photos and back them up with CrashPlan. I really don't see the point in backing up large data such as movies and music to a cloud based server. The data is just too large and with a RAID and physcial media to back up the server, keeping the irreplacables in the cloud is all I need.

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Im still waiting for the final of server 8. Ive heard a lot of good things about it. Im considering switching from unRAID to win server 8 due to unRAID app / pluggings being a PIA to install and set up correctly.

couldn't recommend that until the performance goes up. unraid is 250% faster in my benchmarks on the SAME hardware.
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couldn't recommend that until the performance goes up. unraid is 250% faster in my benchmarks on the SAME hardware.

That's a bummer. I've upgraded to the newest unRaid beta without any plugins. I guess I'll mess around with the plugins again once unraid is finalized.
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Look into a "business" NAS, the ones with a stack of bays, you could stuff 8 x 4TB drives in this one:

http://www.qnap.com/useng/index.php?lang=en-us&sn=862&c=355&sc=703&t=706&n=4789&g=0

Non ECC:

http://www.qnap.com/useng/index.php?lang=en-us&sn=862&c=355&sc=703&t=706&n=4783


Simple, and it works out well cash wise in the long run. No need for unraid or any other messy server software. Any of the above will do the job. If you do get a server these will slot in seamlessly so you are covered either way. These NAS's also have virtually every single feature you could want too, just look at that features list *drools*.
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Alternate solution that gives you the piece of mind of an off-site backup combined with control over the data. Build a second box, load crashplan on both machines, pre-seed the first backup via crashplan over the local network to the new box, then deposit the box at the place of a relative or friend and hook it up to the internet to receive changes from the main server.

Using crashplan this way costs you nothing since you are not using their storage space, the data on the remote box is still fully encrypted through a local key, and you get an off-site backup solution.
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