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has seamless branching been fixed on this thing yet for 3D and regular blu ray ISO? I tired skimming the thread but could not find the answer.

Well you also said no to this.
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Yes, but you can't play 3D! I have no issues with 2D seamless branching titles on either the c200, Dune Duo, or my Oppo 93. HOWEVER, I can not stream 3D iso to my Oppo so was thinking of getting an a400 solely for 3D use. I am spoiled from the oppo's flawless 3D playback, but I must have the actual hard drive attached to the player and that is getting to be a drag. I mean, really....If I have to lug the Drive down, I might as well bring the disc! biggrin.gif These are true first world problems I am having here and I know it...The only thing I would miss is the menus from the Oppo but I think I can live with it IF PLAYBACK IS SOLID. And my version of "solid" is a bit unforgiving as I can't deal with stutters, skips, etc... Once again, real first world problems...

There is audio stutter in 95% of seamless branching so you will hear a slight skip of the audio during the branch the video stays perfect 90% of the time. So I think they can iron it out further to be perfect but its not to perfect status yet.
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There is audio stutter in 95% of seamless branching so you will hear a slight skip of the audio during the branch the video stays perfect 90% of the time. So I think they can iron it out further to be perfect but its not to perfect status yet.
Thanks! I knew you would know the answer! Guess I will wait it out a bit longer..
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I would take the popbox v8 over the tv102 and its cheaper at 99$ and if i remember right the tv 102 does not offer HD audio where the popbox does and as it shares the same apps market as all the other pch models, it has the youtube,plex,tunein,youporn all the other major apps that the pch line carries and it has somewhat of a built in jukebox it will fetch movie information and if you have a cover/nfo stored with the movie it will display a semi jukebox format

Then you get into the wdtv and the playon mini2

I myself have never seen anyone say anything decent about the DUNE tv series. I know a few around here that are hard core dune smart fans have put down the tv series. But I have never owned one personally

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http://www.mediasmartserver.net/2012/08/02/review-dune-hd-tv-301/

plus if you already run yamj/eversion is plays on the v8 as well


I am also looking to add playback in another room but might not want to spend the $ like I did on the 400. With something like the v8, when I initially use it will I need to "scan" my library (and thus change the nmt database)? This is a bit of a big deal for me because I've used the toolbox to update a lot of titles.

Perhaps I just hit "update" from the beginning though and not re-scan. Thanks for any heads up.

EDIT: Nevermind, should have read a few more posts...I'm going to wanna have the same jukebox and whatnot for the wife, but the question still stands...will I need to re-scan at the start or simply "update".

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has seamless branching been fixed on this thing yet for 3D and regular blu ray ISO? I tired skimming the thread but could not find the answer.

They have made huge strides recently. With the last couple of forum firmware releases I've been able to play back the seamless branching titles from Disney. There have been a few split second audio glitches during play back of the titles I've tried, but only a few and only for a split second. Miles better than what it was doing before.

For instance the Wreck it Ralph 3D BD. I watched the entire 3D BD ISO streaming over the network and I think there were around four or five split second audio glitches from that branching title. Previously I needed to watch it from a local hard drive to have any chance of watching it. I don't even use a local hard drive any more for playback of any titles on my A400's.

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My synology 412+ discstation keeps shut down/going into standby mode. Now, it used to occur occasionally overnight or when I would arrive home after work all day, but now it won't last but for an hour or less after restarting.

The odd part? It NEVER shuts down while the PCH is playing content. I watched 8 straight hours of content on Friday and Saturday and verified as much. I know this sounds odd, but the 400 doesn't somehow instruct the 412+ to shutdown after "x" amount of standby time, does it.

I realize the more obvious answer prolly lies within the 412+'s settings, but I have changed not a thing since purchasing it. Going to troubleshoot it with Synology when I get home today, just thought I'd throw it out here, to see if someone's had a similar exp.

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It shouldn't shut down if someone is streaming from it anyway, should it? I thought that was how other devices work? They won't go into sleep mode or shut down as long as it is streaming content.

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^ Of course it shouldn't shut down in if it's in use and working properly...my point of mentioning that it's operating fine when files are being used was to make it clear that the power downs are not simply arbitrary...some synologies seemed to be suffer from power brick issues that would cause the units to lose power and shut down improperly. I don't anticipate that the 400 is (or even can tell) telling my NAS to power down, but I thought I'd check.

I'm also going to check my discstation settings again, but I know by default that it won't shut down from inactivity and I certainly have not changed that. And again, this is occurring within a half hour many times.

Something's prolly goofy with the 412, no doubt.

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They have made huge strides recently. With the last couple of forum firmware releases I've been able to play back the seamless branching titles from Disney. There have been a few split second audio glitches during play back of the titles I've tried, but only a few and only for a split second. Miles better than what it was doing before.

For instance the Wreck it Ralph 3D BD. I watched the entire 3D BD ISO streaming over the network and I think there were around four or five split second audio glitches from that branching title. Previously I needed to watch it from a local hard drive to have any chance of watching it. I don't even use a local hard drive any more for playback of any titles on my A400's.
Yeah, I am just spoiled though. I can't tolerate ANY drop outs, glitches etc. I will just wait. I remember the c200 was crappy when launched and they finally made it decent.
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I would take the popbox v8 over the tv102 and its cheaper at 99$ and if i remember right the tv 102 does not offer HD audio where the popbox does and as it shares the same apps market as all the other pch models, it has the youtube,plex,tunein,youporn all the other major apps that the pch line carries and it has somewhat of a built in jukebox it will fetch movie information and if you have a cover/nfo stored with the movie it will display a semi jukebox format

Then you get into the wdtv and the playon mini2

I myself have never seen anyone say anything decent about the DUNE tv series. I know a few around here that are hard core dune smart fans have put down the tv series. But I have never owned one personally

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http://www.mediasmartserver.net/2011/10/05/review-popbox-v8/
http://www.mediasmartserver.net/2012/08/02/review-dune-hd-tv-301/

plus if you already run yamj/eversion is plays on the v8 as well

Well, it depends. Many Dune users are used to the full functionality that the originals Dunes came with, so it is a bit of a disappointment when going t o the TV series. One of the issues, when they first introduced the TV series support was bad for that model. However, with the TV303D series support has been much better, in part because it is the same chip as their "flagship" model (Base3D). I still have my Popbox v8 and would take the TV303D over easily (I would probably say the same with the PCH A400 eek.gif). In part this is because I prefer the Dune jukeboxes over what PCH offers (so this is solely personal preference). However, for streaming in general the PCHs have just never been reliable enough for me (even with all the fw updates and network tweaks on the PCH A400 I still run into issues)

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Well, it depends. Many Dune users are used to the full functionality that the originals Dunes came with, so it is a bit of a disappointment when going t o the TV series. One of the issues, when they first introduced the TV series support was bad for that model. However, with the TV303D series support has been much better, in part because it is the same chip as their "flagship" model (Base3D). I still have my Popbox v8 and would take the TV303D over easily (I would probably say the same with the PCH A400 eek.gif). In part this is because I prefer the Dune jukeboxes over what PCH offers (so this is solely personal preference). However, for streaming in general the PCHs have just never been reliable enough for me (even with all the fw updates and network tweaks on the PCH A400 I still run into issues)

Is the 303d same firmware as the base3d? Does it offer all same functions? Or things like hd audio a no go? I try not to bring jukeboxes into it to much as its all preference my set up I use with yamj could never be done on anything else so I don't bring it into the mix as chances are they don't need a setup like mine. Only jukebox I speak against is mede8r cause you are locked into one jukebox with no options.
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Is the 303d same firmware as the base3d? Does it offer all same functions? Or things like hd audio a no go? I try not to bring jukeboxes into it to much as its all preference my set up I use with yamj could never be done on anything else so I don't bring it into the mix as chances are they don't need a setup like mine. Only jukebox I speak against is mede8r cause you are locked into one jukebox with no options.

Yes, same as Base3D. Really unless you need the extra room I see no reason to go with the Based3D over the TV303D. Full HD audio, downmix to 2.0 (not multi but you can apply the patch to get around that), etc... Been running the TV303D for an outdoors setup I have and so far it has worked great (just 2.0 audio). I don't know why, but the PCHs just don't play nice with my network over SMB whereas everything else does. In particular for me, streaming performance is #1 priority by a large margin since many cases my wife/kids will be using.

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Yes, same as Base3D. Really unless you need the extra room I see no reason to go with the Based3D over the TV303D. Full HD audio, downmix to 2.0 (not multi but you can apply the patch to get around that), etc... Been running the TV303D for an outdoors setup I have and so far it has worked great (just 2.0 audio). I don't know why, but the PCHs just don't play nice with my network over SMB whereas everything else does. In particular for me, streaming performance is #1 priority by a large margin since many cases my wife/kids will be using.

Strange the v8 does not play well for you as i think its identical to the tv series being same chipset. A400 I understand with its strange new nic chipset but i would think the v8 and tv models functions almost identical. I use a lot of the flash apps on pch now, like tunein,soundcloud, youtube, I really wish dune would finish there portal as well to bring in some more apps as well.

My network seems to play nice with everything, even when the a400 was first launched I could get 34Mb/s over samba with it on my network. Even my 3d test with the mede8er seemed to do fine over samba did not have to switch to NFS
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Strange the v8 does not play well for you as i think its identical to the tv series being same chipset. A400 I understand with its strange new nic chipset but i would think the v8 and tv models functions almost identical. I use a lot of the flash apps on pch now, like tunein,soundcloud, youtube, I really wish dune would finish there portal as well to bring in some more apps as well.

My network seems to play nice with everything, even when the a400 was first launched I could get 34Mb/s over samba with it on my network. Even my 3d test with the mede8er seemed to do fine over samba did not have to switch to NFS

I am talking about the 303D, this is not the same chipset as the v8 (you might be thinking of the earlier TV models). Whatever it is with the fw PCH maintains and my network just doesn't place nice, has always been an issue, and why for me I would never consider using it in my environment as a primary player unless I had an attached drive connected.

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I am talking about the 303D, this is not the same chipset as the v8 (you might be thinking of the earlier TV models). Whatever it is with the fw PCH maintains and my network just doesn't place nice, has always been an issue, and why for me I would never consider using it in my environment as a primary player unless I had an attached drive connected.

Correct not same chipset but same chipset family, v8 is 8670, and the 303 is 8672/3 which is the 8670 with 3d added. The orginal tv 103 was the 8671 chipset
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Correct not same chipset but same chipset family, v8 is 8670, and the 303 is 8672/3 which is the 8670 with 3d added. The orginal tv 103 was the 8671 chipset

Yeah, which is why for me I view it as fw differences (Dune having better network support with their fw, at least in every test I have done)

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Yeah, which is why for me I view it as fw differences (Dune having better network support with their fw, at least in every test I have done)

Which is odd as far as I know they have zero control over the network support. Sigma controls the MAC and the linux kernel version, Unless there is a difference in the PHY which could result in different performance.
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Which is odd as far as I know they have zero control over the network support. Sigma controls the MAC and the linux kernel version, Unless there is a difference in the PHY which could result in different performance.

Yeah, trust me, I have owned pretty much every PCH version so I wish I had better success with streaming. I still have the A400, A300, A200, and popbox v8. I still haven't given up hope on the 400

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Which is odd as far as I know they have zero control over the network support. Sigma controls the MAC and the linux kernel version, Unless there is a difference in the PHY which could result in different performance.
Unless it has changed since I've worked with Sigma, the customers have control over all of the firmware, but only if they have the nerve to venture in there.

At least in the past, Sigma provided all of the necessary code in the SDK, and customers had access to the full source code (even the video-engine's microcode). Few were willing to make changes, however, because the hardware was very poorly documented. I suspect that was the reason that only Sage offered source-direct, because that is a particularly treacherous area to be modifying. But I would think that finding programmers capable of enhancing the networking areas would not be too difficult. Netgear made significant changes to the networking in the NeoTV-550.
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Yes, same as Base3D. Really unless you need the extra room I see no reason to go with the Based3D over the TV303D. Full HD audio, downmix to 2.0 (not multi but you can apply the patch to get around that), etc... Been running the TV303D for an outdoors setup I have and so far it has worked great (just 2.0 audio). I don't know why, but the PCHs just don't play nice with my network over SMB whereas everything else does. In particular for me, streaming performance is #1 priority by a large margin since many cases my wife/kids will be using.

I wonder why the issue? I only use SMB for my PCH devices and they have always worked well over SMB. And actually I've had issues with them when using NFS but not with Samba.

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Unless it has changed since I've worked with Sigma, the customers have control over all of the firmware, but only if they have the nerve to venture in there.

At least in the past, Sigma provided all of the necessary code in the SDK, and customers had access to the full source code (even the video-engine's microcode). Few were willing to make changes, however, because the hardware was very poorly documented. I suspect that was the reason that only Sage offered source-direct, because that is a particularly treacherous area to be modifying. But I would think that finding programmers capable of enhancing the networking areas would not be too difficult. Netgear made significant changes to the networking in the NeoTV-550.

I think most of it is the poor documentation and not enough skills/devs that know how. Anyone that knows the chipsets most likely works for sigma for a pretty penny more then pch could pay them as it seems almost all the fixes have to come from sigma now anytime it deals with video/audio. The network areas are almost all included inside the sigma chipset with just the PHY being outside the microcode of sigma the MII/MAC is internal. And I know PCH lost one of its Lead developer when the economy went bad. It seemed more work was done back in the heyday of sigma when there chips were in off the shelf dvd players/stb's So could just be a dieing breed of devs left. Not to mention during the A100/110 days you even had sigma devs out on some of the forums that would interact with users and help get issues irons out as well.
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Well the latest f-ware has me running with nary an issue, as far as playback goes...an occasional drop when I hit the "info" button, but that's still a know issue according to the text that was attached to the update. The micro stutter is gone, yea!

Question:

What exactly should my video settings be? Concert playback is jumpy with the 24hz setting. Do I need to change these when I go from film to video/concert/tv series? It's really a shame that "auto" simply does not recognize the refesh and adjust accordingly...at least from what I've read it doesn't. I did read that the 1080 60hz with 24hz NTSC frame rate sync should work for either source, in tandem. ???

I have a Panasonic AR-100 projector that can handle 24 and 60.

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Auto has nothing todo with framerate, Auto is a failsafe mode to get an output at all, change the settings to 1080p24 and frameratesync set to NTSC/24p or if your TV is also able to handle Pal then set it to NTSC/PAL/24p
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I have my A400's set for 1080P24 output since most of what I watch is movies. But then I also have framerate sync set so that when video content is played it will automatically switch the output to 1080p60.

i could have it set the other way, for 1080P60 ouput and then framerate sync would have it change to 1080P24. But since I mostly watch movies it would be changing often so it works better for me to leave the output at 108P24 and have the framerate sync switch it to 1080P60 output.

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^ thanks guys. Char, I don't understand your particular set up after reading aaron's.

1080P/24 means you're good for movies, but then doesn't the framerate setting need to be set to 1080P 60 like aaron so it will switch correctly for video content? Just want to make sure I understand what's going on, here.


EDIT: just called my wife who is home to check the settings...seems there is no option for the FRS to be set at 1080 60, just NTSC 24. So that seems to jive with Char's setting, I guess I just don't understand what's accomplished with this pair of settings, seeing they're both 24. Seems to me that you would want the 108060 to be the default and then the 1080 24 FRS to be able to switch for 60hz content.

Perhaps I just don't understand the distinction between these two settings and how they work together.

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mine is correct smile.gif there is no framerate sync option called 1080p60, just so you understand

Video Output = 1080p 24hz
Framerate Sync = NTSC/PAL/24p

NTSC = 29,97, 59,94, 30,00 and 60,00
PAL = 25,00 and 50,00
24p = 23,976 and 24,000

so this setting is doing the following

if you play a movie with the framerate 23,976 then it doesn't need to change framerate so it will use the 1080p 24hz setting which means 1080p Output with the framerate 23,976 which is used on most BD, mkv,..........
if you play a movie with the framerate 24,000 then it change the framerate which is not available as a extra Video Output option, so it means it will use 1080p Output with the framerate 24,000 which is used not very often but some european BD, mkv,... use it
If you play as example a NTSC DVD or a NTSC rip (avi, mkv, mp4,......) with framerate 29,97 or 59,94 then it will change framerate to 1080p 60hz which means 1080p Ouput with the framerate 59,94 which is used on NTSC content
If you play 30 or 60fps content then it will change framerate to 1080p 60hz which means 1080p Ouput with the framerate 60
If you play 25 or 50fps content also used on PAL DVD then it will change framerate to 1080p 50hz which means 1080p Ouput with the framerate 50

so the 1080 will always be used with this setting, it will just change the framerate, if your TV only can output 720p/1080i as example and you set Video Ouput to 720p 60hz then the A-400 would only switch between 720p 60hz and 720p 50hz because there is no 720p 24hz as official Standard even if some TV Makers included it, so it would play content which use 23,976 or 24,000 with 720p 60hz

I hope it is clear now biggrin.gif
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^ got it, thanks for the explanation.

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^ thanks guys. Char, I don't understand your particular set up after reading aaron's.

1080P/24 means you're good for movies, but then doesn't the framerate setting need to be set to 1080P 60 like aaron so it will switch correctly for video content? Just want to make sure I understand what's going on, here.


EDIT: just called my wife who is home to check the settings...seems there is no option for the FRS to be set at 1080 60, just NTSC 24. So that seems to jive with Char's setting, I guess I just don't understand what's accomplished with this pair of settings, seeing they're both 24. Seems to me that you would want the 108060 to be the default and then the 1080 24 FRS to be able to switch for 60hz content.

Perhaps I just don't understand the distinction between these two settings and how they work together.

thanks

James

There is no actual option for 1080P60. Just set framerate sync to 1080P24. And that works for me to automatically switch the output to 1080P60 for the proper content when my output is set for 1080P24.

EDIT: redface.gif I guess it was already answered. And with a more through explanation than I am capable of giving.

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I know from rummaging around the NMT site that MANY people have this issue, it's just unclear if there's a "fix" for it yet.

MY 400 consistently "loses" my share and I need to restart it...virtually every time I want to use it.

I used to think this was related to my Synology 412 going into hibernation, but now it's on all the time so I doubt that's the issue.

No power losses. My network seems fine. An unplug and re-plug ALWAYS works.

Anyone know why this is happening and what I can do about it?

thanks!

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I know from rummaging around the NMT site that MANY people have this issue, it's just unclear if there's a "fix" for it yet.

MY 400 consistently "loses" my share and I need to restart it...virtually every time I want to use it.

I used to think this was related to my Synology 412 going into hibernation, but now it's on all the time so I doubt that's the issue.

No power losses. My network seems fine. An unplug and re-plug ALWAYS works.

Anyone know why this is happening and what I can do about it?

thanks!

James

I always had that issue with my other PCHs where I had to reboot the PCH to regain access to the shares. At least for me I know it is not server related as I don't have this issue with other players in the house

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