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Sorry guys, i did alot of searching but wanted to see what your opinions were.

I have a ton of mkvs with the codecs mentioned above. I wanted to stream them or play them off the device. I was going to get a roku and just use "plex" but that doesnt use the codecs attached.

i looked into the popcorn hour devices but they have tons of mixed reviews.


was wondering if you had good experiences with some devices that can play the mkvs with their flawless codecs or blu ray isos.


any help would be appreciated

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If you stick with MKV almost any player will cover your needs, mede8er,pch,dune are the only models I would stick to at this point in time, if you want ISO support DUNE works, Mede8er works, older model PCH work,

I would decide if you want ISO support, I myself think ISO is on its way out and run everything straight mkv
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thanks for the advice...


was looking to see if anyone recommends one that has the least amount of troubles...


also, if one recommends a streamer(i have everything hard wired so its ethernet) or a hard drive based device

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The Dune devices are trouble free. Do you need 3D?

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i dont need it necessarily but this device will be attached to a 3d tv.


im looking for one that is almost bug free.

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The Dune Smart Series is bug free. It is 2D only though. The new Dune HD TV303D is reviewed here. It looks to be bug free for 2D, 3D is still somewhat a crap shoot, but that seems to be the case with all of the 3D players.

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are the dunes good with streaming mkvs with the DD+ and DD TruHD and etc?


has anyone had good experiences with them?

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Yes, mkvs stream great with the Dune's. I have a Dune HD Smart Series and it handles all MKVs with any audio codec flawlessly. You will find that most people agree that the Dune Smart Series are the absolute best if you don't need 3D.

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thanks... ragged.... which one do you have? and what streaming tool do you use to get the mkvs to the device...

btw, thanks for your help and i apologize for all the questions

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for mkv I would not spend the money one a dune smart series. If you planned on ISO files or BDMV then I would agree, For general mkv you could get something a lot cheaper, almost any of the players out there cover mkv with dts/truehd/dtsma and handle them without issue, One thing to note if you watch a lot of movies with forced subtitles the dune will not read mkv forced sub flags, So you either have to do the patch which from what I have herd works pretty well or always remember to select the subtitle stream
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for mkv I would not spend the money one a dune smart series. If you planned on ISO files or BDMV then I would agree, For general mkv you could get something a lot cheaper, almost any of the players out there cover mkv with dts/truehd/dtsma and handle them without issue, One thing to note if you watch a lot of movies with forced subtitles the dune will not read mkv forced sub flags, So you either have to do the patch which from what I have herd works pretty well or always remember to select the subtitle stream


well i have blu rays that i would want to rip for storage backups and playing without the disk...mkvs would be mainly... i just want the codecs to be decoded... cheaper is good but i want the stress free of bugs... but hey, im open to any suggestions of people who have a device already...

i would love to stream the movies (using something ala Plex)... is XMBC a good tool for this?

again, bear with me but im new to most of this

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Okay, I have the Dune Smart H1, but all of the Smarts are the same basically. For streaming, you don't need a separate program, I use SMB protocol from my server to my Dune. Halfelite is right, you can do cheaper, but you stressed bug free, hence I suggested the Dune Smart Series. Also, the Dune allows you to use 10muse as a jukebox for playing your media. IMHO, this is the best jukebox available and if you have an iPad, it's a must.

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Maybe a Dune player is not necessary for MKV but they do work great! I've had trouble free playback of my ISOs for well over two years now. Although Dune Smart series players are in fact 2D for ISO - where MKV is concerned they can be used to output 3D SBS (i.e. rip your blu-ray to a 3D side-by-side MKV) and though it is at half-resolution to each eye I personally don't see an appreciable difference so I find this an acceptable solution.

Dunes are quick and responsive with MKV and they support chapter stops. Really, the only true weakness of Dune players as far as video playback is very limited online content (don't expect Netflix, Vudu, etc.) - that aside they are bullet-proof.

One thing to keep in mind is that many media players do not recognize the forced subtitle flag in an MKV - as noted above Dunes have an unofficial patch to largely take care of this but in general this is a relatively common weakness. One way around this is to rip only forced subtitles and keep subtitles turned on by default.

One thing to keep in mind in deciding if Dune players cost too much is how much you have invested in blu-ray discs, if you're the type that has hundres of blu-ray discs the cost of any media player by comparison is a drop in the bucket so I would say buy what works so you're not looking for a replacment in a very short time. On the other hand, if you have just a couple of blu-ray's and you want to try out the convenicen of a media player the Dune might be overkill.
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EVT, what would you suggest?

any suggestions would be appreciated. i mean i have a nice amount but i have more mkvs.

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Just a few something like the popbox v8 at 129$ will work for your needs, Its iso playback is not as good as a dune smart though, if you can find a neotv 550 they i think are going for around 150$ and they have good mkv as well as pretty decent ISO support, The Dune tv301 might be an option but last I herd it still had some issues with DTS-HD but i cannot confirm that myself. You might be able to pick up a popcorn a210 for 199$ it has good MKV and its ISO support was pretty good as well, If 3d is something you think you will be wanting either wait to see if the A400 or the Dune 3d will fix their current issues or go with the mede8er

If you dont mind spending the money on the smart series then I would say go for it.
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those are interesting tools.. i will look into them.

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you can get boxee box for 100 dollars on ebay.
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those are interesting tools.. i will look into them.
RAVEN56706 did you ever decide on and find a box that works for you? I bought the WD TV Live Hub when it released and it has been hands down the best video player I have owned. It comes with a 1TB disk built in and doubles as a NAS. I now have a separate server that I now store my files on but this box will playback 99% of the video files I throw at it. Regardless of the files being eight year old cell phone videos, iPhone, .avi, .mkv, mpeg, etc, etc, they just work.

My dilemma is that I don't need the storage now, and have been looking to upgrade. Western Digital does make a WD TV Live (non-Hub), but they are slow in comparison. And every other device I have looked at just doesn't support all of the codecs that the Hub will. I too am a little dis-enchanted with the PLEX service and it's lack of codecs. For a canned package it's nice, but far from being a reliable package.

If you've come across any device with as good or better codec support than the WD TV Live Hub, let me know.
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RAVEN56706 did you ever decide on and find a box that works for you? I bought the WD TV Live Hub when it released and it has been hands down the best video player I have owned. It comes with a 1TB disk built in and doubles as a NAS. I now have a separate server that I now store my files on but this box will playback 99% of the video files I throw at it. Regardless of the files being eight year old cell phone videos, iPhone, .avi, .mkv, mpeg, etc, etc, they just work.

My dilemma is that I don't need the storage now, and have been looking to upgrade. Western Digital does make a WD TV Live (non-Hub), but they are slow in comparison. And every other device I have looked at just doesn't support all of the codecs that the Hub will. I too am a little dis-enchanted with the PLEX service and it's lack of codecs. For a canned package it's nice, but far from being a reliable package.

If you've come across any device with as good or better codec support than the WD TV Live Hub, let me know.
A year ago I traded in my WDTV Live Hub for a Chromebox and run Kodi/OpenELEC on it. I don't regret it a bit. Most stuff is hardware decoded and if stream can't be decoded via the GPU then the CPU has enough grunt to decode it via software. Much smoother interface, too.
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If you've come across any device with as good or better codec support than the WD TV Live Hub, let me know.
You will not find a media streamer that (officially) supports and decodes the higher audio formats (DTS HD.... DTS HD MA....). These are not open codecs and are owned by Dolby Labs. A license is required to officially support them and Dolby Labs will not license a media streamer. DTS HD MA in particular is restricted to Blu Ray.

There are ways around this.... freeware decoders, or bit streaming to licensed products (receivers), but don't count on any (official) internal decoding hitting a media streamer anytime soon.
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I had a WD Live TV but the lack of DTS MA support and the spotty ISO support caused me to go with a Dune Smart Series
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You will not find a media streamer that (officially) supports and decodes the higher audio formats (DTS HD.... DTS HD MA....). These are not open codecs and are owned by Dolby Labs. A license is required to officially support them and Dolby Labs will not license a media streamer. DTS HD MA in particular is restricted to Blu Ray.

There are ways around this.... freeware decoders, or bit streaming to licensed products (receivers), but don't count on any (official) internal decoding hitting a media streamer anytime soon.
DTS is not owned by Dolby, it's a separate company. Dolby does license to media streamers, it's their choice to pay the license fee.

The Dune players do decode the HD codecs from Dolby and DTS.

http://www.duneplayer.com/base-3d.html
HD audio support: pass-through (up to 7.1 channels) and decoding (up to 7.1 channels) of Dolby TrueHD and DTS HD MA audiotracks (Blu-ray, TS, MKV), pass-through (up to 7.1 channels) of multichannel LPCM audiotracks (Blu-ray, TS, MKV), decoding (up to 7.1 channels) of FLAC audiotracks (MKV, external)

The newer PCH models decode DTS, but not Dolby codecs.

Mede8er players don't know offhand, but IIRC, support decoding both formats as well.

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Med600x3D, about 90% of my library consist of mkv's (about 160) with either TrueHd or DTSHD MA and they all play flawlessly on a Gbit network.

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Med600x3D, about 90% of my library consist of mkv's (about 160) with either TrueHd or DTSHD MA and they all play flawlessly on a Gbit network.
Same experience here. Mede8er has been flawless for me.

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