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One of the biggest joys of owning a home theater is watching a great action movie like Skyfall, the latest James Bond film. Typically, I prefer to watch high-budget movies on Blu-ray—after all, when I watch a blockbuster, I want the sound and image quality to be as good as possible. Last week, iTunes made Skyfall available for purchase one week earlier than the Blu-ray release. Because it is the middle of winter, I decided to succumb to the urge for instant gratification; I bought the movie and watched it instead of waiting.

What I saw truly surprised me. From the very first moment to the very last credit, I scrutinized Skyfall for any significant flaws in the image quality. To my surprise, iTunes managed to get through the whole film without any obvious signs of compression. I have an aversion to banding, macroblocking, smearing pixelation, and tearing, and I saw no egregious artifacts. Impressed, I decided to see how Vudu compares. The Vudu HDX version became available Friday Feb. 9, still four days ahead of the Blu-ray release, so I bought the Vudu version and began my comparison.

Conventional wisdom holds that Vudu offers the best streaming quality. Vudu promotes their TruHD encoding process, claiming an ability to preserve film grain while avoiding pixilation artifacts. In the past, I have found this to be true, at least in relative terms. Shadow regions tend to be much smoother looking in Vudu streams as opposed to iTunes downloads. Vudu also boasts support for Dolby Digital Plus 7.1 surround sound on some devices, beating iTunes' Dolby Digital 5.1 support. But since encoding algorithms are improving all the time, the service with the best quality could potentially change over time, or even from movie to movie.

For the Skyfall comparison, I utilized the iTunes desktop application on a PC running Windows 8. I dismissed using Vudu through a browser, because it only offers 2-channel sound and the quality was clearly unacceptable. I tried out Vudu on a Roku as well as through my 55" Vizio TV's built-in app. Unacceptable artifacts abounded, but at least the Dolby surround worked. I found the best implementation of Vudu on my PS3, with 7.1 surround and much smoother gradients than the other Vudu streams. Bravo to the PS3.

Skyfall is a very impressive movie, a special-effects extravaganza with a complex and challenging color palette. Quite a few scenes in the movie present a serious challenge to compression algorithms, with fast action and overlapping layers, action filmed in the dark with monochrome palettes ranging from all blue to orange. If there are any flaws in the encoding process, they would show up in these shadows as banding, pixelation, and random noise.

The iTunes version of Skyfall somehow managed to play through without a single distracting artifact calling attention to itself. Vudu was also excellent 95 percent of the time, but when it came to difficult scenes, Vudu struggled more frequently. What makes the new iTunes version look so natural?

The answer seems to be in the grain. iTunes appears to preserve film grain at all costs, even if it means losing some details, like high-contrast lines. Vudu tends to smooth out areas that lack significant texture. As soon as you smooth out a dark tone and compress it, you end up with blocky artifacts, and that is what I kept seeing in the Vudu version. The PS3 kept the blocking to a minimum, but it was still visible. The flip side to Vudu's approach is that it sometimes manages to preserve sharp lines that iTunes obscures.


iTunes preserves shadow gradient integrity but sacrifices details to do so

After studying the three formats (iTunes, Vudu HDX, and Blu-ray), I found the Blu-ray remains the highest quality source—no surprise there. Pixel peeping is the fine art of scrutinizing individual pixels while ignoring the image as a whole. I photographed freeze-frames from the movie with a professional camera and scrutinized the results in Photoshop. I would not expect the average viewer to do the same, after all nobody watches a big-screen TV from 2 feet away. Proper pixel peeping can reveal exactly how much more information is preserved thanks to higher bit rates and better compression.

At a normal viewing distance, however, the missing detail in the iTunes version is not readily apparent. The movie plays through without any hint that it is a highly compressed download. The largest difference I noticed was not even visual—it was the sound. The iTunes version suffers a little bit for using 5.1 Dolby Digital encoding, while Vudu's 7.1 surround was more dynamic and enveloping, coming rather close to the Blu-ray's shattering explosiveness. For some home-theater addicts, that could be a deciding factor, but I did not think it was a big deal.

My conclusion? If you are going to stream or download, Skyfall is better on iTunes than Vudu. Enjoy the show.

Update: A thank you AVS members who brought this to my attention. iTunes 720p files can look better than their 1080p equivalents. I had to see for myself and the results are surprising but undeniable. When it comes to fidelity iTunes 720p has the best overall image quality, especially during difficult to render scenes. Here are two examples.






In light of this observation, future comparisons will also include examples of the iTunes 720p version as well as 1080p.


The following images illustrate the differences in compression quality



0:34 - Fade in from black, stationary shot
iTunes achieves a nice fade-in with smooth gradients and a bit of extra grain
Blu-ray achieves proper color and smooth gradients
Vudu renders color more accurately but struggles with the gradients




10:11 - Fight on top of train, daylight high action with complex movement
iTunes loses the most detail in this rather complex scene
Blu-ray manages an artifact-free render
Vudu preserves a great deal of detail, is closer to Blu-ray than iTunes



39:02 - At the museum. A well lit stationary shot
iTunes may have the best color rendition for this shot, with great detail
Blu-ray adds a bit of contrast to this easy-to-render scene
Vudu pushes the saturation of the skin tones a bit but is equally good



56:39 - Casino scene. Dark with deep reds and yellows and some motion
iTunes has a hard time with color and details but keeps the deep shadows fairly clean
Blu-ray stumbles for once with loss of shadow details, still the best rendition
Vudu renders accurate shadow color and more detail vs. iTunes but has more artifacts



1:48:38 - Bond walking with M. Natural indoor light with moderate motion
iTunes loses the crease in the jacket and the cloth texture but preserves the gradients
Blu-ray does its job, preserving texture and gradients
Vudu smears the details while creating significant artifacts, renders only part of the crease



1:59:12 - Skyfall battle. All blue palette, very dark with explosive action
iTunes cannot render details, renders acceptably smooth shadow gradients
Blu-ray shows why it's still the top dog when it comes to image quality
Vudu gives up on this scene. Detail is totally lost, blocking artifacts take their place


In response to several comments, here are a few screen captures from my PC
The differences are not as obvious compared to my 'pixel peeping' camera
The Vudu screen capture comes from the web app
I do not have a way to screen capture Blu-ray


The two approaches to shadow detail are still on display here
You will need to view the image full-size to make a proper comparison


Detail levels are similar but the iTunes version looks more natural
The Blu-ray version (not seen) has finer textures, more detail
Vudu on the PC has somewhat inaccurate color


I'll wrap up with this shot, which is where Vudu had the hardest time
This is a full screen capture. If anything it is even more revealing than the photos
Click into the picture to open the gallery, check out the original 1920x1080 image
I brightened the image in a totally non-destructive manner with Photoshop
On a large screen Vudu's rendition of this scene was unacceptable
iTunes lost significant amounts of detail, but the dark fast action helped hide most of the loss
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May I ask what size is your display device. I did see it in your profile. I too like to watch blockbusters film on blu-ray. I use a 120 in projector screen.
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May I ask what size is your display device. I did see it in your profile. I too like to watch blockbusters film on blu-ray. I use a 120 in projector screen.

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it would be interesting to add an amazon download to this list but otherwise very interesting. I still prefer buying movies over the streaming services but with the increasing pains of the government telling me how to watch what I bought, I may go ahead and start buying digital copies instead of the disc...but then again, I like having that physical medium.

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Interesting, but taking photos from the screen really is an imperfect method. I don't know how Vudu works, but it's possible to take screen grabs of BD and iTunes for an uncompromised comparison.

Even in this state though, that Vudu one looks appalling. We don't get that here in the UK but I've been hearing about how it looks good. Really? eek.gif

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Mahalo for doing this review. I can save a dollar by using iTunes, IF and it's a big IF, my AppleTV can actually manage to stream the movie without interruption. I'm not even able to stream trailers without it stopping to load after 2 minutes. mad.gifmad.gifmad.gif

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Good point, for my next comparison I will capture some screen grabs from the Vudu web player and compare it to iTunes. However, as noted in this article Vudu was overly compromised on a the PC, being browser-only. I will look into it though. If Vudu says the HDX stream is the same on PS 3 as the PC then I'll use screen grabs from the PC for the visual comparisons. When it comes to comparing PS3 vs. Roku vs. the PC screen grabs are impossible. I am a professional photographer, I made sure the exposures are consistent between the different sources.
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Interesting, but taking photos from the screen really is an imperfect method. I don't know how Vudu works, but it's possible to take screen grabs of BD and iTunes for an uncompromised comparison.

Even in this state though, that Vudu one looks appalling. We don't get that here in the UK but I've been hearing about how it looks good. Really? eek.gif

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From what I understand, and this has been my experience watching them on a projection screen as well, movies shot completely in the digital domain [like Skyfall which was shot with RED's and ARRI's] look a LOT better when downrezzed to resolutions lower than Blu-Ray than movies that were xferred from film.

Its not only easier to xfer them down but they look better because [my educated guess] you are down-rezzing straight from the original 4 or 5K rawfiles and you can produce better quality for the same file size limitation at a fixed resolution with no grain to worry about except what you added in post to give it the film feel.

Yes, you can do that with film-based movies as well, especially nowadays but the point is, with completely digital films, its a lot easier to keep the file-size down and the quality up.
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So was the VUDU stream always 3 bar HDX when you viewed it? Since there is a huge difference between 3 bar HDX and 1 bar HDX. Even between 3 bar HDX and 2 bar HDX there is a very noticeable difference.

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I should have mentioned Amazon. Their HD offering is 720p with mediocre compression, it is not in the same league as the iTunes and Vudu versions, much less Blu-ray. Hopefully that changes in the future.
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Mahalo for doing this review. I can save a dollar by using iTunes, IF and it's a big IF, my AppleTV can actually manage to stream the movie without interruption. I'm not even able to stream trailers without it stopping to load after 2 minutes. mad.gifmad.gifmad.gif

What island are you on? I'm on Oahu with Time Warner and have zero such issues with an ATV3. The problem is with your network or ISP, not your Apple TV or Apple's servers.
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My internet clocks in at 60+ Mbps, pegs the Vudu speed meter immediately. Quality is not an issue, I built my PC this year with good parts. Gigabit wired connection, Nvidia GTX 660 video card etc. The PS3 is also connected via ethernet, not wireless so it's getting maximum bandwidth. Vudu is always 3 bars HDX.

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So was the VUDU stream always 3 bar HDX when you viewed it? Since there is a huge difference between 3 bar HDX and 1 bar HDX. Even between 3 bar HDX and 2 bar HDX there is a very noticeable difference.

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interesting finds thus far, but could you take a screenshot from the PC and post the images? Taking a screenshot of your monitor kind of defeats the purpose of picture quality. We might be missing detail due to camera capability.
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I should have mentioned Amazon. Their HD offering is 720p with mediocre compression, it is not in the same league as the iTunes and Vudu versions, much less Blu-ray. Hopefully that changes in the future.

That's not entirely true. They do offer 1080p content however its only available via tivo premier and technically it downloads to the device for playback. You are able to begin playback before the entire movie has downloaded though.

Tivo also passes through the 1080p/24 encode which both Vudu and iTunes cannot offer with most playback devices.

The last time I did a test between iTunes and vudu hdx, vudu was clearly the winner. iTunes suffered noticeable banding throughout the movie.
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iTunes must have really stepped up their game for the movies, as the TV shows that I get on iTunes usually look a bit worse than Comcast triple-channeled HD, while VUDU has always been amazing. Amazon is usually a bit better, maybe it's because they are using 720, they can back off on the compression while keeping the bitrates down. I don't believe you can tell the difference between VUDU and Blu-Ray in real life, unlike the other streaming services.
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Everything I just read in this makes me hope they never get rid of physical media.
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Everything I just read in this makes me hope they never get rid of physical media.

totally agree^ but great review, one day streaming technology will be a lot better some time in the future. But until then i will continue to buy the old plastic disks. :)

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What island are you on? I'm on Oahu with Time Warner and have zero such issues with an ATV3. The problem is with your network or ISP, not your Apple TV or Apple's servers.
I'm on the big island and use oceanic. It's the AT3 or apples servers. I get full vudu hdx and have no problem streaming amazon either. Everything is running off the same AirPort Extreme.
I've checked the apple forums and its a fairly common common common complaint.

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Everything I just read in this makes me hope they never get rid of physical media.

Quite - but the streaming services are also getting better and better.

At some point there will be enough bandwidth where it will be a wash.

I doubt we'll see another physical media after Blu-Ray - higher resolution (4K or whatever) will be streaming.
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Would it be possible to include an MKV rip of the movie with an 8gb file size ? makemkv and handbrake could be used for this.

It would be interesting to see a side by side comparison of bluray and the streaming services to a mkv backup. My entire bluray collection is backed up onto my network drive, as I like to show off my xbmc and cinema experience setup when friends are over for movie night (THX deep note before movie starts always puts a smile on everyones face). So I usually rip a bluray and put it on the shelf never to touch it again. I sometimes wonder what I'm missing though. Ive tried playing the mkv and then switching to the bluray, but it's tough to tell.
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What about the Xbox Video version? From my personal experience they have the best streaming quality. I've tried Vudu HDX (streamed with full bars) and wasn't really blown away with the results. I mean it wasn't horrible by any means, but when I stream something over Xbox Video it is damn near Blu-Ray quality.
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If I get a chance to add an Xbox 360 to my system I will include their video offering. Stay tuned.
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What about the Xbox Video version? From my personal experience they have the best streaming quality. I've tried Vudu HDX (streamed with full bars) and wasn't really blown away with the results. I mean it wasn't horrible by any means, but when I stream something over Xbox Video it is damn near Blu-Ray quality.

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Thank you for the review and comparison. Very helpful.

I hope we get more of these going forward.

Especially when the Download version is the the only available HD source, like "Age of Innocence", where iTunes has a 1080p version, but no blu-ray has yet been released. In cases like that it is the source of the master that has most interest. Is iTunes just ahead of the eventual blu-ray release, or is their 1080p version taken from an old DVD master?
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I don't know. Here in Europe most of these streaming options are not available. I wouldn't want to watch anything lesser quality than BD on my projector screen, let alone paying for it.
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I agree, screen capture is an important tool. I have included a couple in the comparison. The differences are not as obvious, but still there. I'm afraid I do not have a way to do screen captures on Blu-ray.
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interesting finds thus far, but could you take a screenshot from the PC and post the images? Taking a screenshot of your monitor kind of defeats the purpose of picture quality. We might be missing detail due to camera capability.

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On my 65vt30 a blu ray disc looks almost identical to VUDU HDX or Microsoft 1080P (both done over an XBOX 360). On my 110 inch screen the differences become much more apparant. Throw in the audio difference on the blu ray and I am still going to go the blu ray route every time when watching in my HT room.
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What is the attraction of streaming for those with a home theater set-up of better than average quality (both PQ and AQ)? Only the blu-ray disc offers the full experience, so until streaming quality is on par with blu-ray, then why bother? At the very least, I hope that our community of early adopters will make it clear over and over that compressed audio and that anything less than blu-ray PQ is unacceptable.
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I've tested a number of streaming services, they don't hold up on my 142" 16:9 screen compared to a bluray. The last 1/2 hour of skyfall looks outstanding on the JVC RS55 with the iris set to -11.

Some folks want to see BD go away when/if 4K content becomes available in exchange for download / streaming. For those with large screens, I hope they stick with a high capacity optical disk, I don't want any compromises for the next gen format.
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The attraction for me was the opportunity to watch a movie at home in high definition one week ahead of the Blu-ray schedule, at a lower cost and without the effort required to obtain the Blu-ray. I did not find any of the versions to be "unacceptable" and my biggest gripe is actually with Blu-ray. Packaging, load times, previews, menus... all that seemed very ridiculous and old-fashioned compared to the instant gratification you get from streaming. If Apple kicks it up one more notch in the PQ and SQ department, I won't miss Blu-ray. It's clear to me that the day is fast approaching when Blu-ray quality will be beaten by a download.
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What is the attraction of streaming for those with a home theater set-up of better than average quality (both PQ and AQ)? Only the blu-ray disc offers the full experience, so until streaming quality is on par with blu-ray, then why bother? At the very least, I hope that our community of early adopters will make it clear over and over that compressed audio and that anything less than blu-ray PQ is unacceptable.

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Would it be possible to include an MKV rip of the movie with an 8gb file size ? makemkv and handbrake could be used for this.

It would be interesting to see a side by side comparison of bluray and the streaming services to a mkv backup. My entire bluray collection is backed up onto my network drive, as I like to show off my xbmc and cinema experience setup when friends are over for movie night (THX deep note before movie starts always puts a smile on everyones face). So I usually rip a bluray and put it on the shelf never to touch it again. I sometimes wonder what I'm missing though. Ive tried playing the mkv and then switching to the bluray, but it's tough to tell.



8Gb sounds like it's been compressed a lot.

Most of my rips are 20-30gb, and that's just for the main movie and 1 audio track. No extras.

The Dark Knight, Casino Royale, and Black Hawks down rips, if I remember correctly are all over 30GB.

And I use MAKEMKV to rip my files.
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