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Which firmware are people using on the Dunes these days? (ie. is it safe to update to the latest firmware?)
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The TV303D does support bitstreaming of Dolby TrueHD and DTS HD audio. Everyone who owns a TV303D knows that.
You wrong because its old players -new its same like china junk -and support only specification i provide before.
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You wrong because its old players -new its same like china junk -and support only specification i provide before.
You have tested a new TV303D and found it different from earlier batches of TV303D?
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You have tested a new TV303D and found it different from earlier batches of TV303D?
I dont buy junk -for me specification on official website plenty give information. http://dune-hd.com/eng/products/full_hd_media_players
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You have tested a new TV303D and found it different from earlier batches of TV303D?
You're just wasting your time on him. He's argued with myself and others. He really had no clue. He either doesn't know the difference between bitstream and decoding or he's just a troll. I think he's a clueless troll.
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I'm still running the old b6 firmware.
Is it safe to update the firmware to 150721_0135_b9?

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I'm still running the old b6 firmware.
Is it safe to update the firmware to 150721_0135_b9?
I haven't had any problems with it.
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Dune HD TV-303D is pretty impeccable 1080p video/audio -network mediaplayer. On newest firmware (july 2015) it´s sheer playback robustness/stability is something others can just watch and learn. Yes. Including Kodi 15.2 Isengard, too. On whatever hardware debugging-platform it may run.

Keeping audio and video in precise 23.976 Hz -synch is especially the area, where Dune gives lesson for Kodi & other lesser players. Showing how true videophile -class embedded device deals with it. Its performance is, with one word, flawless (from SMB-network link / MKV-container).
Kodi has random synching problems, especially now on this 15.xx Isengard, from where those dev-geniuses removed AV-synch -method-options entirely. Kodi now makes very audible re-synching audio glitches now and then. It can´t also no more pass my pure 23.976 -framerate test (on Intel HD Graphics 4600 -GPU).

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It can have 100000 add-ons, 100000 custom skins, its version number can increase on every month, and it may be able to be installed FOR FREE to coffee maker/alarm clock/smart WC-seat. But in actually important videophile-virtues, embedded i.e. dedicated simpler device just prevails.

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Hi,

I have owned various players in the past from mede8er 1000x3d, various Android boxes, Popcorn and also I have owned various dune players.

Hdi dune base 3d
Hdi dune 303d
Hdi prime 3.0

I returned the hdi dune 303d after reading hd audio was not going to be supported in future firmware inc passthrough but I guess this has never happened.

Hdi dune base 3d was great with a great 3d playback and one of the best network speeds I have seen at the time. It played my jellyfish demo of 125Mbps

But if I could choose between bluray menu and 3d, I chose bluray menu hence why I reverted back to my hdi prime 3.0 which has limited 3d playback but overall I'm was happy.

In terms of codec playback they all playback the same as one of the most comprehensive playbacks from any media player.

I for one would have definitely upgraded to newer dune model with full h265 4k60 support.

So at the moment I have my trusted hdi prime 3.0 and my new nvidia shield tv which does 4k60 etc.

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New hdi dune solo 4k player

http://dune-hd.com/eng/news/detail/1...d-with-hevc-4k

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Full BR menus????

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SOB! Just bought a Mede8er 600 because my Dune D1 couldn't do full 3D. Now this comes out. Dammit!

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That is what it says on the page. A true 4K successor to the Dune Base 3.0? Sounds too good to be true.

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Why didn't buy the Base 3D?

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Why didn't buy the Base 3D?
Price and the Med does 3d ISO, which I currently need. I wanted to stick with Dune but they didn't offer what I needed.

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Price and the Med does 3d ISO, which I currently need. I wanted to stick with Dune but they didn't offer what I needed.
I have 2 Base 3D and they play 3D ISOs perfectly. Who told you they didn't? My Base 3Ds have performed flawlessly.

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I have 2 Base 3D and they play 3D ISOs perfectly. Who told you they didn't? My Base 3Ds have performed flawlessly.
Hmmm I don't remember who, might have been the US online retailer. That said, the price was well above the Med.

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Hmmm I don't remember who, might have been the US online retailer. That said, the price was well above the Med.
The guy selling you the Media8 told you that. LOL. Too Funny. The 303D is about the price as the Med. The Base 3D is stunning and fits nice in most HT setups. All the others look like toys.

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The guy selling you the Media8 told you that. LOL. Too Funny. The 303D is about the price as the Med. The Base 3D is stunning and fits nice in most HT setups. All the others look like toys.
No, the Dune retailer. I never spoke to anyone involved in the Med.

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Dune HD TV-303D is pretty impeccable 1080p video/audio -network mediaplayer. On newest firmware (july 2015) it´s sheer playback robustness/stability is something others can just watch and learn. Yes. Including Kodi 15.2 Isengard, too. On whatever hardware debugging-platform it may run.

Keeping audio and video in precise 23.976 Hz -synch is especially the area, where Dune gives lesson for Kodi & other lesser players. Showing how true videophile -class embedded device deals with it. Its performance is, with one word, flawless (from SMB-network link / MKV-container).
Kodi has random synching problems, especially now on this 15.xx Isengard, from where those dev-geniuses removed AV-synch -method-options entirely. Kodi now makes very audible re-synching audio glitches now and then. It can´t also no more pass my pure 23.976 -framerate test (on Intel HD Graphics 4600 -GPU).

TV-303D´s newest firmware is from july 2015. Worth to upgrade, refines its playback capabilities to current maximum.


P.S. Dune is the player for true videophiles, who actually WATCH their videos.

True videophile = ZERO player originated hickups allowed.
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It can have 100000 add-ons, 100000 custom skins, its version number can increase on every month, and it may be able to be installed FOR FREE to coffee maker/alarm clock/smart WC-seat. But in actually important videophile-virtues, embedded i.e. dedicated simpler device just prevails.
I appreciate your sentiments about the Dune. I had a Dune a while back (Dune Base 3) and it served me quite well. However, in my case, it became redundant as I had stored media files on a NAS and also have an Oppo Blue Ray player that serves up the network connected files. The Dune is still in use but by another who reminds me what a great gift it was.

The Dune series offers excellent play of 1080p files. The Sigma chip seems to do magic with all sorts of files thrown at it. However, I don't discount Kodi (XBMC) which also does well by me on a computer with Linux. Depending on what I am playing, the results can be indistinguishable from the Dune playback. As well, the Oppo actually does a better job than the Dune but most people wouldn't notice. Of the latter, all three for typical users seem similar enough that they get a great viewing experience.

Kodi as noted, isn't just sitting on Intel chips anymore. Presently it works quite well on the NVidia TV Shield and soon to have HD audio pass through. I believe Kodi deserves the high praise it has gotten for both product and spawning the likes of Plex as well as getting more people into having their own media files (since so many want nice screens and easy like streaming).

I consider Oppo and Dune to be top choice playback and Kodi right behind when sitting on the right hardware. Then again, for presentation, Kodi trounces both Oppo and Dune and there really (you identified this) no comparison of screens. The Kodi presentation evidently was popular enough for people to make 3rd party add ons for Dune like the cumbersome Zapitti.

My ideal device might be a cross between the Oppo (Darby edition) with the Dune and a Kodi front end for guests.

In the meanwhile, I wish all Dune users a very happy and joyous holiday and many years of good Dune use.
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I have 2 Base 3D and they play 3D ISOs perfectly. Who told you they didn't? My Base 3Ds have performed flawlessly.
Honest question (not trying to be snarky, but with all of Mike:SH's nonsense lately, I just wanted to clarifty :

Do you get full menus when watching a 3D ISO?


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Honest question (not trying to be snarky, but with all of Mike:SH's nonsense lately, I just wanted to clarifty :

Do you get full menus when watching a 3D ISO?
Base3d would give full menus. Anything after the base3d model would not. What happened was sigma chipset has a full bluray stack in can play menus on all the devices that are out. But the bluray association came and said if you want to bluray license you have to incorporate cinavia which is the audio watermark copy protection system and so after that no one bought the bluray license to get full menus.

Now as for the new player it has not been said if they are using Sigma's bluray implementation and if so does it carry Cinavia protection? Are they using android using libbluray which is hit and miss with menus.

And there is also some truth with Mike:SH's comments about audio but its far from the truth. Sigma did lose some of the licensing on audio in the United States. But all bitstream audio formats still work. What was lost was the ability to downmix the HD audio formats to 2 channel stereo.

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Base3d would give full menus. Anything after the base3d model would not. What happened was sigma chipset has a full bluray stack in can play menus on all the devices that are out. But the bluray association came and said if you want to bluray license you have to incorporate cinavia which is the audio watermark copy protection system and so after that no one bought the bluray license to get full menus.
I find this interesting. On Dune's site (which granted could have some mistakes as far as specs go), they show the Dune Smart series (which I own) supporting BD ISO and menus, but the specs for the Base 3D specifically do NOT mention those things. So I always assumed it was anything after the Smart series that no longer supported full menus on BD ISO playback.

I have Oppo 93 and 103s which play 3D BD ISOs with full menus, so it's more just a curiosity for me what models of Dunes support which formats. I still use my Dune Smarts and Dune Base 3.0 and love them to pieces. But obviously, that's only 2D content.

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Actually I think you are right when 3d came out is when the rules changed. I was confusing base 3d with the smart series.
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Do you get full menus when watching a 3D ISO?
NO menus. I rip only Movie, HD Audio, Subs and Forces Subs when dealing with 3D. I create an ISO. No current player on the market plays menus on full ISOs anymore. New restrictions killed that a few years ago. Why bother anyway? Full menus take too long to load and my method takes me to the movie in seconds.

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And there is also some truth with Mike:SH's comments about audio but its far from the truth. Sigma did lose some of the licensing on audio in the United States. But all bitstream audio formats still work. What was lost was the ability to downmix the HD audio formats to 2 channel stereo.
Yeah, that is my only concern since that means you get no audio for TrueHD tracks if connected direct to a TV (using mkvs). It seems like more movies of late have been using TrueHD (Atmos) as their tracks vs DTS(MA). I also rip and include a second AC3 track for those cases but have to switch manually to that track. Would be nice if the Dune had a feature that would automatically switch to the AC3 track based on a setting (only player I ever saw do this was the SageTVs back in the day at our request).

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NO menus. I rip only Movie, HD Audio, Subs and Forces Subs when dealing with 3D. I create an ISO. No current player on the market plays menus on full ISOs anymore. New restrictions killed that a few years ago. Why bother anyway? Full menus take too long to load and my method takes me to the movie in seconds.
Speaking of forced subs, lets hope the Dune natively supports forced subs in mkvs.

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Speaking of forced subs, lets hope the Dune natively supports forced subs in mkvs.
The Dunes allow for separate Internal and External settings for Subs. I leave external "on" all the time and create a forced .srt when I rip. This way it always plays without remembering which titles have them. Perfect? No. But it works well and never misses. I also use that same .srt for burning in forced subs when I create a mobile version (6000 kb/s 1080P) of the movie for travel. I have done this for almost three years and has proven to be an effective solution.
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The Dunes allow for separate Internal and External settings for Subs. I leave external "on" all the time and create a forced .srt when I rip. This way it always plays without remembering which titles have them. Perfect? No. But it works well and never misses. I also use that same .srt for burning in forced subs when I create a mobile version (6000 kb/s 1080P) of the movie for travel. I have done this for almost three years and has proven to be an effective solution.
I only do internal subs with my mkvs. At this stage in the game, there is no reason why they cant code properly to recognize the forced subtitle flag.

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