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lujan's Avatar lujan
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Is the Roku 3 available at any B&M stores? So far I've only seen them online.

Doesn't appear to be available at any of the local BB stores in my area.
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So far the Roku 3 is only available online (Roku2s are available at B&M stores). Not an issue though as shipping is fast and returns really easy. You can order directly from Roku.
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I ordered mine from Amazon--I'm a Prime member and it's eligible for Prime shipping.
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I checked Walmart's website,they say you can order from them and they'll have it for in-store pickup by 4/19 for $99.99.
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Amazon can do a lot better than that. By 4/16 Free Two Day Shipping or:


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Amazon can do a lot better than that. By 4/16 Free Two Day Shipping or:


Ordered mine on March 6th (the day after the announcement) and got it on the 8th.
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Hi guys, I had a couple questions I was hoping you could help me out with. I need to get a device to do streaming for the wife, and I am trying to decide if a Roku 3 or a Blu-ray player would be best for her. The streaming services she uses are Netflix and Amazon. I've tried to read through this thread but had some trouble understanding the technical details of the Roku's capabilities, so basically my questions is this-

Are there any netflix or amazon features that the Roku does better than a Blu-ray?

Are there any amazon or netflix features that a Blu-ray does better than a Roku 3?

Just trying to figure out which device will provide the best streaming experience for her. Thanks for any help:)
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Just so I understand: I cannot connect an HDD to this device and play the files back, correct?

If not, as an aside (sorry) what's the best $100 for such things. No, I don't wish to jailbreak my a-tv.

thanks

James
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Hi guys, I had a couple questions I was hoping you could help me out with. I need to get a device to do streaming for the wife, and I am trying to decide if a Roku 3 or a Blu-ray player would be best for her. The streaming services she uses are Netflix and Amazon. I've tried to read through this thread but had some trouble understanding the technical details of the Roku's capabilities, so basically my questions is this-

Are there any netflix or amazon features that the Roku does better than a Blu-ray?

Are there any amazon or netflix features that a Blu-ray does better than a Roku 3?

Just trying to figure out which device will provide the best streaming experience for her. Thanks for any help:)

Some BD players are better for streaming than others but, for the most part, Roku is a better streaming experience. It's generally easier to set up and use and has tons of content. You also have the advantage of easily being able to move the Roku from room to room since it's so small.
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Hi guys, I had a couple questions I was hoping you could help me out with. I need to get a device to do streaming for the wife, and I am trying to decide if a Roku 3 or a Blu-ray player would be best for her. The streaming services she uses are Netflix and Amazon. I've tried to read through this thread but had some trouble understanding the technical details of the Roku's capabilities, so basically my questions is this-

Are there any netflix or amazon features that the Roku does better than a Blu-ray?

Are there any amazon or netflix features that a Blu-ray does better than a Roku 3?

Just trying to figure out which device will provide the best streaming experience for her.

I have three BD players with Netflix and Amazon players, a Roku 2 XS and a Roku 3. The BDPs have few points in their favor as Netflix players, but really none that the casual user might appreciate. The Roku's Amazon player beats in the Amazon players in the BDPs, no contest. It's a full-featured Amazon player, with support for 5.1 sound in titles which feature it and for the Amazon Instant Video Watchlist. The Roku is very smooth, simple and intuitive to use.
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Just so I understand: I cannot connect an HDD to this device and play the files back, correct?

Yes, within narrow bounds. There are much more capable file players; if you're looking for one with players for streaming services (Netflix, VUDU, etc), I like the WD TV Live; I bought a factory refurb about a month ago for $70. I have a collection of files that I play on this PC (whose display is the same 46" LCD panel that I use for everything else) which span a range of encoding features and the TV Live can play all of them; I'm sure that the Roku could only handle a small subset. I have some which I'm absolutely shocked that it can play, inasmuch as they were weirdly encoded to fool the PS3 into playing DTS sound from a file over DLNA using mkv2vob, misrepresenting the sound as being 2 channel PCM. Before I bought the TV Live I could only play these on the PS3 via DLNA; everything else output the sound as static.

There are many video file playing specialist devices that can handle anything but which don't do Internet VOD--see the "Networking, Media Servers & Content Streaming" forum for advice on those.
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I have three BD players with Netflix and Amazon players, a Roku 2 XS and a Roku 3. The BDPs have few points in their favor as Netflix players, but really none that the casual user might appreciate. The Roku's Amazon player beats in the Amazon players in the BDPs, no contest. It's a full-featured Amazon player, with support for 5.1 sound in titles which feature it and for the Amazon Instant Video Watchlist. The Roku is very smooth, simple and intuitive to use.

Thanks for the reply. On the Netflix site it says the Roku 3 supports Netflix Subtitles, Alternate Audio, 5.1 Surround Sound. So when you say the BDP may have some favor over the Roku, do you mean just the interface, or is there something that the BDP can do that the Roku 3 can't?
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My Sony BDP-S5100 can stream Netflix 3D which the Roku can't.
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Thanks for the reply. On the Netflix site it says the Roku 3 supports Netflix Subtitles, Alternate Audio, 5.1 Surround Sound. So when you say the BDP may have some favor over the Roku, do you mean just the interface, or is there something that the BDP can do that the Roku 3 can't?

Mainly little esoteric things that the casual user wouldn't necessarily care about. For instance, my Panasonic DMP-BDT220 can output Netflix and other Internet VOD services (VUDU, Amazon, etc) at their native 24 fps; the vast majority of network VOD content is encoded at 24 fps and it's possible that your television or outboard scaler can do a better, smoother job of displaying than the BDP's (or Roku's) conversion and output of it at 60 fps. I like this little stream status overlay display available on some of the BDPs (and a few televisions and streaming STBs like my WD TV Live). That little display is the main reason that I now prefer my WD TV Live for Netflix, but I'd generally recommend the Roku over it for ease of use and speed (the Roku 3 starts the player from the home dialog in about 4 seconds and starts streams in 2 or 3, making it far and away the fastest of my Netflix playing devices (my launch model PS3 can be just as fast at stream starts, but it draws about 200 watts while doing it with a noisy fan which kicks in when it heats up; also it can't bitstream DD+ 5.1 sound). I've compared the several 1080p-Netflix-capable devices that I own (PS3, Roku 3, Roku 2, BDT220, Sony BDP-S390, TiVo Premiere, WD TV Live and this PC) and the BDT220 does a noticeably better job rendering streaming video with fewer digital artifacts.

There are a few more visible features of the Netflix players on many BDPs but not Roku like the "Just for Kids" alternative UI and the "'Post-play' Experience". I do not love the latter, but I find that I have gotten used to it so when I use Netflix on the Roku and it doesn't automatically start the next episode of a TV series that I'm watching it surprises me.
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My Sony BDP-S5100 can stream Netflix 3D which the Roku can't.

i was unaware of that, thanks.

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Mainly little esoteric things that the casual user wouldn't necessarily care about. For instance, my Panasonic DMP-BDT220 can output Netflix and other Internet VOD services (VUDU, Amazon, etc) at their native 24 fps; the vast majority of network VOD content is encoded at 24 fps and it's possible that your television or outboard scaler can do a better, smoother job of displaying than the BDP's (or Roku's) conversion and output of it at 60 fps. I like this little stream status overlay display available on some of the BDPs (and a few televisions and streaming STBs like my WD TV Live). That little display is the main reason that I now prefer my WD TV Live for Netflix, but I'd generally recommend the Roku over it for ease of use and speed (the Roku 3 starts the player from the home dialog in about 4 seconds and starts streams in 2 or 3, making it far and away the fastest of my Netflix playing devices (my launch model PS3 can be just as fast at stream starts, but it draws about 200 watts while doing it with a noisy fan which kicks in when it heats up; also it can't bitstream DD+ 5.1 sound).

There are a few more visible features of the Netflix players on many BDPs but not Roku like the "Just for Kids" alternative UI and the "'Post-play' Experience". I do not love the latter, but I find that I have gotten used to it so when I use Netflix on the Roku and it doesn't automatically start the next episode of a TV series that I'm watching it surprises me.

Thanks for the detailed reply, I really appreciate the info.
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Yes, within narrow bounds. There are much more capable file players; if you're looking for one with players for streaming services (Netflix, VUDU, etc), I like the WD TV Live; I bought a factory refurb about a month ago for $70. I have a collection of files that I play on this PC (whose display is the same 46" LCD panel that I use for everything else) which span a range of encoding features and the TV Live can play all of them; I'm sure that the Roku could only handle a small subset. I have some which I'm absolutely shocked that it can play, inasmuch as they were weirdly encoded to fool the PS3 into playing DTS sound from a file over DLNA using mkv2vob, misrepresenting the sound as being 2 channel PCM. Before I bought the TV Live I could only play these on the PS3 via DLNA; everything else output the sound as static.

There are many video file playing specialist devices that can handle anything but which don't do Internet VOD--see the "Networking, Media Servers & Content Streaming" forum for advice on those.

Thanks for the reply. I went with a Seagate Central connected to my router...I can now playback all my files on my iPads and iPhones and most (lol) of them on my ps3.

I think I'm gonna grab a WDLive to better navigate/playback files.

James
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My Sony BDP-S5100 can stream Netflix 3D which the Roku can't.


Surprising since they just came out with the roku 3.
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Surprising since they just came out with the roku 3.

Yes, I had hoped the Roku 3 was going to be 3D capable. I was going to get a couple of them until I found out it wasn't. So I just purchased one Roku 3 and got a couple of the Sony S5100 players instead,
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Although it may not look pretty (the UI) the Roku loads Netflix very fast with no lag. I tried my PS3 yesterday to see if there were any updates as I never otherwise use it since I got the Roku 3 but although the Netflix UI looks great I could not believe how slow and laggy it was. Even getting into the app took nearly 15 seconds.
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Although it may not look pretty (the UI) the Roku loads Netflix very fast with no lag. I tried my PS3 yesterday to see if there were any updates as I never otherwise use it since I got the Roku 3 but although the Netflix UI looks great I could not believe how slow and laggy it was. Even getting into the app took nearly 15 seconds.

Given the speed of the PS3's processors it's the least laggy of all devices that I have with that UI (others being Panasonic and Sony BDPs, WD TV Live and TiVo Premiere). It's not the speediest. I just clocked mine as taking 20 seconds to start from the XMB. It can start streams in 2 or 3 seconds like the Roku 3 (though not the first one after the app first starts). Since the last UI upgrade it's become very aggressive about trying to start streams at the highest possible bit rate video encode. I'd definitely use it instead of the Roku except that it draws a couple hundred watts in operation and has a noisy fan (60GB launch model); I love the stream status overlay display and the Roku screws up the UI a bit when using Unblock with region set to anything except USA and Canada.
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Some BD players are better for streaming than others but, for the most part, Roku is a better streaming experience. It's generally easier to set up and use and has tons of content. You also have the advantage of easily being able to move the Roku from room to room since it's so small.

I agree 100%. I have a Samsung Smart TV with a Panasonic BD player. I recently added a Roku because the interface is much more user-friendly. The Roku 3 also added the earphone option for watching Roku content: Very nice to have at times.

Phil
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Just so I understand: I cannot connect an HDD to this device and play the files back, correct?

James

I connect a usb HDD to my Rokus (we have four) and can play back movies. But there are some minor inconveniences:
  • My movie files are all mp4 (good!) ripped for playback on my iPad using a Seagate Wireless Plus (has it's own wif-fi transmitter). That makes it convenient for traveling with iPad and 500 or so videos (a 1 TB drive. The downside is that, ripped for the iPad, the aspect ratio on a TV is off for anything but a 4:3 movie. I can trick the Roku into compensating by changing the aspect ratio in the settings
  • Another inconvenience is that the movies are sequenced in the order they were added to the HDD, or perhaps alphabetical in blocks according to when the blocks were loaded. If I have 500 movies on the HDD it's really tedious finding the movie you want to see. In practice this has be no big deal.

If my intent was only to watch the movies on the Roku I could rip them differently. But my iPad is the main consumer of the ripped files.

Phil

p.s. -- Note that I've not played movies from a usb drive since the recent Roku firmware update, so the sequencing issue may have been corrected.
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That's tech supports scripted answer to every solution to use Google DNS. DNS has nothing to do with a laggy UI. I rather stick with OpenDNS which has more features anyway.

Is there a way of setting the DNS in some "secret" screen? Heck, even having the ability to set the ip would be great.

Philip
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I would like to know more about PlayOn (PlayLater)? Can you record TV shows to watch later and where is it recorded (on the PC or on the Roku)? It makes a big difference because I can watch them on a regular TV on Roku but can't on my setup via the PC.

I use Play Later to record shows that are about to expire. There is an option to save them as mp4 so that they can be played back by virtually anything. Neat sw actually. You record it on the PC and the shows can be played back via Plex, DLNA, etc ... on the Roku. You can also install the PlayOn client on the Roku to play them if you keep them in the PlayLater folder. If you also have PlayOn premium then you can use PlayOn to play back pretty well anything via VLC which you install on the PC. Not terribly fond of PlayOn but PlayLater, which comes with a limited PlayOn, is pretty useful.

Philip
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Just found out today that as of Wed.4/17 Video Buzz will no longer be a Roku channel. frown.gif
Seems that Google has filed a DMCA complaint against VB. eek.gif
Sooo now YT access through Roku IS GONE....again!! mad.gif
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Is there a way of setting the DNS in some "secret" screen? Heck, even having the ability to set the ip would be great.
No. A DNS setting is something users have requested but which has not been provided. I suppose that its just one more thing to complicate support.
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Just found out today that as of Wed.4/17 Video Buzz will no longer be a Roku channel. frown.gif
Seems that Google has filed a DMCA complaint against VB. eek.gif
Sooo now YT access through Roku IS GONE....again!! mad.gif

I have extremely limited experience with this but couldn't Plex be used instead?
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Just found out today that as of Wed.4/17 Video Buzz will no longer be a Roku channel. frown.gif
Seems that Google has filed a DMCA complaint against VB. eek.gif
Sooo now YT access through Roku IS GONE....again!! mad.gif

I have extremely limited experience with this but couldn't Plex be used instead?

If someone really wants YouTube on the Roku you can use the 1080P Showcase Roku channel, the Android Apps PlayTo or Twonky Beam, or use Plex or Playon servers.
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I don't have 1080p showcase anymore,but IIRC showcase doesn't have a search function that allows the user to gather specific videos from YT and save them,which is what VB does,and is why i like VB. It's the fact that VB streams content that VB doesn't own that has Google in a tizzy and caused them to file a DMCA complaint. mad.gif
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I have extremely limited experience with this but couldn't Plex be used instead?

I don't have any personal knowledge of Plex. I tried twice to install the server but failed both times.After that i gave up!! biggrin.gif
The only thing i know is that Plex,like PlayOn,has a mixed reputation.Some people love it,others hate it. tongue.gif YMMV
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