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As a comparison to my times, have you ripped either of the two movies I just did?

have you checked to see if your drive is supported bt MediaSpeedCodeEdit?

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So whats currently the fastest bluray dual layer reader out there?

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I ripped "Pacific Rim" dual layer (about 37gb) using imgburn and these were the numbers I got:

Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:24:56
Average Read Rate: 24,751 KB/s (5.5x) - Maximum Read Rate: 34,961 KB/s (7.8x)

This was using a Sony BD-5300S blu-ray player/burner (stock) on a Mac Pro - OSX 10.9 host running Parallels 8.0 and a Windows 7 x64 client. I used to use a LG-hg20? but when I removed the rip lock I started noticing artifacts in some of my rips, plus it caused sleeping/wake-up problems on the mac.
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Not so much into the Blu-ray drive.
But i'm in the near future, gonna rip all my blu-rays.
How will those compare in speed and reliablity:
LG external: http://www.proshop.dk/DVD-Blu-ray-drev/LG-BP40NS20-Super-Multi-Blue-2406165.html
LG BH16: http://www.proshop.dk/DVD-Blu-ray-drev/LG-BH16NS40-Super-Multi-Blue-2398135.html
Lite-on: http://www.proshop.dk/DVD-Blu-ray-drev/Lite-On-iHBS112-Black-2325256.html
Asus: http://www.proshop.dk/DVD-Blu-ray-drev/ASUS-BC-12D2HT-BLK-G-AS-2424433.html


You did mention something about a lock on the drives to?.
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How will those compare in speed and reliablity:
Any internal drive will (generally) be quicker than a slim external. I have the LG BH drive and I know it's quick. For the other drives you mention, read the other posts in this thread or take a look at MyCE.com.
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Not so much into the Blu-ray drive.
But i'm in the near future, gonna rip all my blu-rays.
How will those compare in speed and reliablity:
LG external: http://www.proshop.dk/DVD-Blu-ray-drev/LG-BP40NS20-Super-Multi-Blue-2406165.html
LG BH16: http://www.proshop.dk/DVD-Blu-ray-drev/LG-BH16NS40-Super-Multi-Blue-2398135.html
Lite-on: http://www.proshop.dk/DVD-Blu-ray-drev/Lite-On-iHBS112-Black-2325256.html
Asus: http://www.proshop.dk/DVD-Blu-ray-drev/ASUS-BC-12D2HT-BLK-G-AS-2424433.html


You did mention something about a lock on the drives to?.

"Riplock"

I don't know if all drives have it, but I do know that some drives are able to be "unlocked" by a piece of software called Media Code Speed Edit. I used the compatibility list to find and buy a specific drive ... LG GGW-H20L ... (bought three of them actually) and noticed approx a 20% increase in ripping speed when I used this.

Here is some info on it.

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Sorry to bring a thread back but I just wanted to share my results from Ripping BluRays with MakeMKV.

Some movies rip slower than others but I usually see 20MB/s or faster. This one took the cake though.

LG BH14NS40 Bluray/DVD Drive
MakeMKV Read Rate: 49.9MB/s
Doing the math (output size "16812.9MB" / time "8:48") it was a 31.8MB/s

Overall this drive has been great. Only a few times when putting a disc in sometimes it will not read it. I then have to take the disc out and reinsert it. This was very common when the drive was vertical instead of horizontal like it is now.
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Is the pioneer 209 the fastest now?

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Sorry to bring a thread back but I just wanted to share my results from Ripping BluRays with MakeMKV.

Some movies rip slower than others but I usually see 20MB/s or faster. This one took the cake though.

LG BH14NS40 Bluray/DVD Drive
MakeMKV Read Rate: 49.9MB/s
Doing the math (output size "16812.9MB" / time "8:48") it was a 31.8MB/s

Overall this drive has been great. Only a few times when putting a disc in sometimes it will not read it. I then have to take the disc out and reinsert it. This was very common when the drive was vertical instead of horizontal like it is now.
Wow that's the fastest bluray ripping speed I've seen after researching hours on the net, looking at reviews and messages for the various bluray drives.

Are you consistently seeing that type of rip speed (31 - 49 MB/s) and total time of 8-15 mins per disc??

I'm currently trying to decide whether to get the LG WH16NS40 (newer 16x model of the drive you have) or the Pioneer (BDR-209DBK) 16X. Both are less than $60 on Amazon. It's a tough call because so many reviewers complain of slower speeds.

Curious if you're still seeing great speeds across a variety of bluray discs you're ripping. Thanks!

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From what I understand BH has newer firmware than WH, but I read that online somewhere. WH was being sold when I bought the BH model. Since the WH has a different firmware, I don't know what the speeds will be.

I have ripped over 200 movies and some rip slow, 5MB/s and some rip real fast 30+MB/s. I think it has something to do with the type of encryption on the disc. BluRays rip at a faster speed than DVDs it seems

I really like the drive, its worked great. Except for the rare times it doesn't read the disc, but after ejecting the disc and re loading the disc it works.

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Wow that's the fastest bluray ripping speed I've seen after researching hours on the net, looking at reviews and messages for the various bluray drives.

Are you consistently seeing that type of rip speed (31 - 49 MB/s) and total time of 8-15 mins per disc??

I'm currently trying to decide whether to get the LG WH16NS40 (newer 16x model of the drive you have) or the Pioneer (BDR-209DBK) 16X. Both are less than $60 on Amazon. It's a tough call because so many reviewers complain of slower speeds.

Curious if you're still seeing great speeds across a variety of bluray discs you're ripping. Thanks!
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From what I understand BH has newer firmware than WH, but I read that online somewhere. WH was being sold when I bought the BH model. Since the WH has a different firmware, I don't know what the speeds will be.
BH is the 'retail' version, WH the 'OEM' version. FWIW WH14NS40 has 1.03-a0 dated 10-apr-2014, BH has 1.02-a0 from February 2014.
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I have a Pioneer BDR-209DBK on the way that I ordered from Newegg. I've never used a Pioneer drive for ripping so hopefully it will be even faster than the LG drive I got last year

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Sweet - please keep us posted on how it performs Aaron.
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For several years now, the BD-ROM maximum read speeds have been 8x for dual-layer discs and 12x for single-layer discs.

That Mission Impossible disc must be single-layer. Most discs are dual-layer these days, so you will see lower speeds for most newer discs.
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I got my Pioneer BDR-209DBK installed this morning and compared it to my LG UH12NS29. WHich really should have been an S30. At least that was what I ordered from Newegg over a year ago but it shows up as an S29 in the PC

Anyway both drives are listed as 8X max for dual layer and 12X max for single layer.

The thing I really noticed with the Pioneer is that it is quieter than the LG. I compared a couple of Dual layer BDs and one single layer BD.

IN each instance the Pioneer was a little faster to finish ripping. Like around 4 minutes faster on the dual layers I tried(28.5 min vs. 32 min). And on the single layer 8.5 min vs 9.5 min. The single layer was only around 17GB while the dual layer titles were around 43 or 44 GB..

Although the LG started reading at a faster speed. But the LG when it gets up really fast will drop down to a slower speed. Like it can't read a part of a disc and needs to slow down. While the Pioneer just spins away and keeps spinning without slowing down at all.

I really like this Pioneer drive so I decided to order a Pioneer BDC-207DBK to replace my LG in that PC. The BDC-207DBK is only a BD reader and not a writer like the other one. It is limited to 8X for Dual layer as well as 8X for single layer. So as long as it can reach 8X on dual layer I will be happy since most discs are dual layer.(although the anime title, Short Peace, I just got, which I used for the test, was a single layer disc). I only picked it up because it was $32 on sale at Newegg. Half of what I paid for the Pioneer BD burner. And I really have no use for burning BDs since I have a couple of other burners that I rarely ever use already.

So hopefully the Pioneer BDC-207DBK will work similarly to the Pioneer BDR-209DBK. And also be just as quiet.

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Hmm.. something is going on with this Pioneer BDR-209DBK. I ripped several titles this weekend and it ripped them quickly. But now today, two titles I tried it seems like there is some kind of rip-lock. One is a dual layer disc, Epic, and the other is a single layer disc, Family Guy: Blue Harvest. With both of these titles the Pioneer won't rip any faster than 2X for some reason. If I use my LG then that doesn't seem to have an issue. I have no idea why it seems like it's rip-locked with these two titles yet it was fine with the titles I ripped this weekend.

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Hmm.. something is going on with this Pioneer BDR-209DBK. I ripped several titles this weekend and it ripped them quickly. But now today, two titles I tried it seems like there is some kind of rip-lock. One is a dual layer disc, Epic, and the other is a single layer disc, Family Guy: Blue Harvest. With both of these titles the Pioneer won't rip any faster than 2X for some reason. If I use my LG then that doesn't seem to have an issue. I have no idea why it seems like it's rip-locked with these two titles yet it was fine with the titles I ripped this weekend.
It is hard to make an Apples to Apples comparison when you have the DRM variable to contend with. I'm sure everybody has had the experience of at least 1 disk that slows their rip speed to a crawl -- just something about the DRM on that disk that makes the decryption software think a lot harder. The fastest rip times on my drives comes from ripping home-burned BD-R with zero DRM. ImgBurn, and even DVD Fab, tears through them. I go by the max read rate which you get at the outer edge of the disk. That pretty much keeps it independent of SL vs. DL disks.

Under Win-7, the absolute worst rip time I see on a home-burned BD-R is if I used the Win file manager to do a drag of the BDMV folder off the BD-R onto the HDD. It proceeds at an absolute crawl and that is obviously all on Windows.

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That has happened to me with certain movies with my LB BH14NS40 Drive. Must have something to do with the type of encryption on the disc...possibly the software as well.
The last BluRay disc ripped was Harry Potter and the goblet of fire which ripped at 29MBs which is middle of the road from what I have seen.

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This is an interesting read. http://www.quepublishing.com/article...46162&seqNum=8
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I usually use IMGBurn to rip titles, with Any DVD HD running in the back ground. IMGburn will show you the expected range for the ripping speed of a disc. For instance a dual layer disc is typically 3x to 8 x speed. And then after the rip is finished it will show the average speed as well as the max and min. speeds achieved.

I have read up further on the Pioneer and I guess it is partially rip locked. The 2X speed is the rip lock speed. On the three titles that did that I could see it go to 2.4x speed for a second before dropping down to 2X. And I realized, when I tried a third disc that exhibited rip-lock, what they all had in common. They were all from 20th Century Fox.

So I need to find some more 20th Century Fox titles and see if this issue is truly limited to titles from them.

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Very nice speed table. Too bad it doesn't cover BD.

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I just got the Pioneer BDC-207DBK BD rom drive installed. Now this drive is supposed to be limited to 8x for dual layer and single layer. SO I've just tried these FOX titles that were rip locked on the Pioneer BD burner at 2X and with this Pioneer BD rom drive there is no rip lock. So I don't know if this a product of the firmware or something else. The BD rom drive is on firmware version 1.0 and I don't see a newer one. While the BD burner has had several updates and is on version 1.2.
I did change the BD burner to region 1 while the BD rom drive is still at no region. But would that make any difference.

I guess if I had it over again I would have purchased two more of the BD rom drives at $32 each less instead of the BD burner at $64.

But both the BD-rom and BD writer are both much quieter than the LG drives I had been using.

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The fastest rip times on my drives comes from ripping home-burned BD-R with zero DRM. ImgBurn, and even DVD Fab, tears through them. I go by the max read rate which you get at the outer edge of the disk.
I just had occasion to rip an unprotected BD-R using ImgBurn. It was single layer and burned to full capacity. I used my LG WH10LS30 which is a 10X BD burner. The rip starts at 4X at the inner hub and works its way to 10X as it gets to the outer edge of the disk -- 10X is the rated max read rate of the drive so there is no rip lock on the drive. The rip takes 12:37 with an average read rate = 7.2X.

This is the fastest that drive can rip a BD disk. I know from my ripping experiences that if that disk were DRM protected, I would never see that fast a rip on the same drive. Point being that the nature of the DRM plays a big part in how fast a drive can rip a disk.

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I just had occasion to rip an unprotected BD-R using ImgBurn. It was single layer and burned to full capacity. I used my LG WH10LS30 which is a 10X BD burner. The rip starts at 4X at the inner hub and works its way to 10X as it gets to the outer edge of the disk -- 10X is the rated max read rate of the drive so there is no rip lock on the drive. The rip takes 12:37 with an average read rate = 7.2X.

This is the fastest that drive can rip a BD disk. I know from my ripping experiences that if that disk were DRM protected, I would never see that fast a rip on the same drive. Point being that the nature of the DRM plays a big part in how fast a drive can rip a disk.
I've had plenty of discs with protection rip at that speed. Of course they need to be single layer discs.
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Crap!! I guess it's not just Fox titles. I was ripping some of my James Bond collection and the BDR-209BDK is hitting the rip lock again at 2X. While the BDC-207DBK is not being limited to 2X. So this BDR-209BDK is not a drive I would want to use for ripping. I'm going to need to remove it and just throw it in an external enclosure. Unless I could return it for a refund. Then I will pick up another BDC-207DBK instead.

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Hmm.. it seems like the Bond films are distributed by Fox. FOx distributes MGM content. So then so far only the Fox titles have enabled the rip lock on the Pioneer BD burner. Still very annoying.

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