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I'm hoping to create this thread as a resource that people will be able to reference during their research for a Blu-ray drive intended for ripping BD-ROM and DVD-ROM.

I used ImageBurn to capture this data with AnyDVD HD running in the background.

Drive Test Result List:
LG Slim Portable Blu-ray Multi Drive (Model: CP40NG10)
Pioneer BDR-208DBK

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LG WH14NS40 [1] [2]
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How is ImgBurn used to capture this data? Need a "dummies" guide!

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How is ImgBurn used to capture this data? Need a "dummies" guide!

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It's just displayed in an activity window under the main window when you Create Image File From Disc.

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Drive: LG Slim Portable Blu-ray Multi Drive (Model: CP40NG10)
Disc: Get Smart (25GB Blu-ray)
Average Read Rate: 17,194 KB/s (3.8x)
Maximum Read Rate: 23,240 KB/s (5.2x)
Duration: 00:20:37
Source Media Size: 21,779,906,560 bytes
Source Media File System(s): UDF (2.50)

Drive: LG Slim Portable Blu-ray Multi Drive (Model: CP40NG10)
Disc: Jack Reacher (50GB Blu-ray)
Average Read Rate: 17,573 KB/s (3.9x)
Maximum Read Rate: 22,456 KB/s (5.0x)
Duration: 00:40:37
Source Media Size: 43,853,742,080 bytes
Source Media File System(s): UDF (2.50)

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As of this post, this unit is using the latest official firmware.
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This is all well and good. The better idea is to buy lots of cheap Blu-ray drives and run then at the same time. If you buy only one, it will only be marginally faster than any other one drive. If you buy 5 cheap ones, you will get a lot more throughput for your money.
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Aren't all the drives cheap now compared to what they cost several years ago?

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This is all well and good. The better idea is to buy lots of cheap Blu-ray drives and run then at the same time. If you buy only one, it will only be marginally faster than any other one drive. If you buy 5 cheap ones, you will get a lot more throughput for your money.

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Aren't all the drives cheap now compared to what they cost several years ago?

What difference does cost make? No one wants to sit there waiting 1.5. hours for a riplocked drive. And very few people are going to want to put multiple drives in their system.

~5 years ago a top of the line drive would cost $150 - $200 depending on whether it was a writable drive and whether it also had HD-DVD support. The better writable drives are still in the $80-$100 range.

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What difference does cost make? No one wants to sit there waiting 1.5. hours for a riplocked drive. And very few people are going to want to put multiple drives in their system.

~5 years ago a top of the line drive would cost $150 - $200 depending on whether it was a writable drive and whether it also had HD-DVD support. The better writable drives are still in the $80-$100 range.

There is supposed to be a $40 LG 12x BD rom drive that the rip lock can be removed(The LG UH12NS29) . I plan on picking one up later this month from Newegg to replace my old 8X BD burner with rip lock removed that I use for ripping(That I never use for any burning). If the rip lock can actually be removed then I will probably pick up a couple more.

EDIT: Crap. Well it was $40 shipped when I looked last week. Now it's $50 plus shipping. I knew I should have ordered it when I was researching it. It is still $48 shipped from Amazon though. Still not as good as $40. I guess I'll get one from Amazon and have to wait for it to go on sale again at Newegg.

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Bought this drive awhile ago for $34.99 but then gave it to my brother and never got to test it...
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I can confirm that the BH14NS40 & WH14NS40 LG drives aren't riplocked either. http://club.myce.com/f61/best-bluray-playing-ripping-drive-no-bd-r-330004/#post2676695


PS: There is plenty of info on ripping speed over at MyCE. Also reviews of OD and SSD drives.
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I can confirm that the BH14NS40 & WH14NS40 LG drives aren't riplocked either. http://club.myce.com/f61/best-bluray-playing-ripping-drive-no-bd-r-330004/#post2676695


PS: There is plenty of info on ripping speed over at MyCE. Also reviews of OD and SSD drives.

There is. But mainly for drives manufactured earlier than 2010. It's tough to find any drive there that can actually be purchased new.

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There is. But mainly for drives manufactured earlier than 2010. It's tough to find any drive there that can actually be purchased new.
Odd that you'd say that. MyCE is where I found out about the WH14NS40 before I bought one.
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Odd that you'd say that. MyCE is where I found out about the WH14NS40 before I bought one.

Have you ever made a useful post on this forum or do you just spend all day on here trolling?

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What difference does cost make? No one wants to sit there waiting 1.5. hours for a riplocked drive. And very few people are going to want to put multiple drives in their system.

~5 years ago a top of the line drive would cost $150 - $200 depending on whether it was a writable drive and whether it also had HD-DVD support. The better writable drives are still in the $80-$100 range.


You'd be surprised. My rips take 40-80 minutes and it's really not a big deal. I can get 10 titles done in a day, easily, and after a month or so I'll have my entire collection done...and then what, a few titles a month?

It's only the hoarders with media stacking up that they've never seen (and prolly never will) that are consumed with 25 minute rips. There's still merit to this thread, I'm just hoping it doesn't turn into another "I rip a few hundred discs a week" pissing match.


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Odd that you'd say that. MyCE is where I found out about the WH14NS40 before I bought one.

Have you ever made a useful post on this forum or do you just spend all day on here trolling?
I don't know which is more useful. Saying that MyCE is 3 years behind the times or pointing out that I made my purchase choice a couple months ago based on what I read there.
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I can confirm that the LG WH14NS40 will rip dual layer BD at 8x and SL BD at 12x.

My LiteOn iHBS 112 rips all BD at 8x.
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Pioneer BDR-208DBK

Dual Layer

Drive: PIONEER BD-RW BDR-208D 1.10
Disc: Avatar Blu-ray
Average Read Rate: 24,874 KB/s (5.5x)
Maximum Read Rate: 36,229 KB/s (8.1x)
Duration: 00:32:45
Source Media Size: 50,050,629,632 bytes
Source Media File System(s): UDF (2.50)

Drive: PIONEER BD-RW BDR-208D 1.10
Disc: Underworld Unrated Blu-ray
Average Read Rate: 25,408 KB/s (5.7x)
Maximum Read Rate: 35,858 KB/s (8.0x)
Duration: 00:29:48
Source Media Size: 46,521,253,888 bytes
Source Media File System(s): UDF (2.50)

Single Layer

Drive: PIONEER BD-RW BDR-208D 1.10
Disc: Stargate Bluray
Average Read Rate: 35,902 KB/s (8.0x)
Maximum Read Rate: 52,435 KB/s (11.7x)
Duration: 00:10:50
Source Media Size: 23,896,850,432 bytes
Source Media File System(s): UDF (2.50)

Drive: PIONEER BD-RW BDR-208D 1.10
Disc: Usual Suspects Blu-ray
Average Read Rate: 35,180 KB/s (7.8x)
Maximum Read Rate: 51,238 KB/s (11.4x)
Duration: 00:10:15
Source Media Size: 22,155,427,840 bytes
Source Media File System(s): UDF (2.50)

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This drive ripped Stargate and Avatar at 2x the first time I tried. After a reboot and trying again I got the results posted above. I should also point out that many people have reported that this drive is riplocked for "some" discs. I'm thinking there may be a bug in the firmware that causes it to rip slow sometimes rather than being riplocked.

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Can anyone suggest a good external option for my laptop? I'd prolly be willing to halve my rip speeds if the price was right.

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Can anyone suggest a good external option for my laptop? I'd prolly be willing to halve my rip speeds if the price was right.

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What's wrong with either one of these? Just add an external case and you are good to go!
LG WH14NS40 will rip dual layer BD at 8x and SL BD at 12x.

My LiteOn iHBS 112 rips all BD at 8x.
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Can anyone suggest a good external option for my laptop? I'd prolly be willing to halve my rip speeds if the price was right.

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FYI, I just picked up a Vantec USA NexStar DX External 5.25-Inch Optical Drive Enclosure USB 3.0 and I'm going to test the speed with my Pioneer BDR-208DBK to compare to the internal SATA results.

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FYI, I just picked up a Vantec USA NexStar DX External 5.25-Inch Optical Drive Enclosure USB 3.0 and I'm going to test the speed with my Pioneer BDR-208DBK to compare to the internal SATA results.

Do those Vantec enclosures ahev a fan in them like the USB 2.0 ones did? IF not I wouldn't mind picking a couple up. I used to use a couple of the USB 2.0 Vantec ienclosures but I didn't like the noise from the fan. So I had found some USB 2.0 enclosures that were fanless, but they aren't made any more. But now that I have USB3.0 in several PCs I could use some enclosures that can take advantage of USB 3.0 as long as they are fanless.

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Do those Vantec enclosures ahev a fan in them like the USB 2.0 ones did? IF not I wouldn't mind picking a couple up. I used to use a couple of the USB 2.0 Vantec ienclosures but I didn't like the noise from the fan. So I had found some USB 2.0 enclosures that were fanless, but they aren't made any more. But now that I have USB3.0 in several PCs I could use some enclosures that can take advantage of USB 3.0 as long as they are fanless.

It does have a fan but I removed it... as far as I know the drive doesn't get hot enough to need one. If it does I guess I'll find out smile.gif

edit: I put the fan back in to see how loud it was... I wouldn't say it's insanely loud... but it's definitely louder than my H80i at idle with stock fans.

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Pioneer BDR-208DBK in a Vantec USA NexStar DX External 5.25-Inch Optical Drive Enclosure USB 3.0

Dual Layer

Drive: PIONEER BD-RW BDR-208D 1.10
Disc: Avatar Blu-ray
Average Read Rate: 23,680 KB/s (5.4x)
Maximum Read Rate: 28,304 KB/s (6.4x)
Duration: 00:34:24
Source Media Size: 50,050,629,632 bytes
Source Media File System(s): UDF (2.50)

I only had a chance to run this with Avatar last night. This was from my first run but I ran the same rip 3 times with reboots in between to make sure the numbers were correct. It's definitely slower in the external enclosure but the time difference is only 1~2 minutes on a large dual layer BD. The convenience definitely outweighs the time penalty. I'm already loving having the drive in it's own enclosure and easily swap between systems. I'll probably put all the optical drives in these enclosures now.

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I've received my LG BE14NU40, and I think I can confirm that it doesn't have rip-lock. It seems to be ripping at around 5x and holding steady.
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I've received my LG BE14NU40, and I think I can confirm that it doesn't have rip-lock. It seems to be ripping at around 5x and holding steady.
Nice drive. I have the OEM version of the bare drive and have no complaints. Adding $90 or so to the drive price makes me think the LG external enclosure is a bit expensive though. http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=LG+BE14NU40&N=-1&isNodeId=1
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Alrighty, I purchased and installed a refurbed LG GGW-H20L because while researching "RipLock" I determined that neither my Sony BD burner nor my LiteOn BD-ROM were compatible with MediaSpeedCodeEdit, and the LG was highly recommended. I test ripped two movies on the drive as is, used MSCE on the latest firmware and just completed a rip of one of those two movies.

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Firmware YL03 (stock) - 37 mins
Firmware YL07 (MCSE) - 30 mins

That's a read speed improvement of ~19%!

Next up is for me to rip the second movie I ripped pre-MCSE, Hunger Games. Will post that when completed.

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LG GGW-H20L

Hunger Games (Blu-ray), 142min, movie, DTS-HD MA 7.1 and English subs, eac3to times

Firmware YL03 (stock) - 46 mins
Firmware YL07 (MCSE) - 38 mins

That's a read speed improvement of ~17%!

I am a believer in MCSE and removing RipLock!

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I'm using my stock HP BD, which I think is a 4x. Using ClownBD it take approximately 45 to 60 min. per BD depending on length of movie. biggrin.gif

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I'm using my stock HP BD, which I think is a 4x. Using ClownBD it take approximately 45 to 60 min. per BD depending on length of movie. biggrin.gif

As a comparison to my times, have you ripped either of the two movies I just did?

have you checked to see if your drive is supported bt MediaSpeedCodeEdit?

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