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post #31 of 43 Old 10-04-2013, 12:22 PM
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Has anyone delivered working code that uses the Atom CE5315's hardware acceleration?

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Has anyone delivered working code that uses the Atom CE5315's hardware acceleration?
That is the $64K question. Both Intel and the NAS manufacturers have been touting the ability to transcode video but I have yet to see a review that mentions that feature or any benchmarks.

FWIW, Intel Quick Sync is supported by Apple (OSX Airplay Streaming) and on Windows by software such as ArcSoft MediaConverter and Cyberlink MediaEspresso for transcoding so it's a matter of when, not if, we see Linux support for use on NAS units (IMHO).
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The new CPU's in the Synology etc. will be able to transcode like never before for a budget CPU.

The problem is the mainstream software needs to incorporate this addition and it doesn't appear it's going to be easy.

The Plex Media Server developers already stated it won't be ready on their software for a while: http://forums.plexapp.com/index.php/topic/80990-does-plex-support-hw-acceleration-for-transconding/

We will have to wait and see which of the good Media Servers take advantage of the acceleration first.
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Dang. All these replies,but I never got a notification of such.

So,what should I do? Just use my htpc and get a NAS that has the features,etc that I want?
Wait on the DS214+ and be the guinea pig to see what it can actually do?biggrin.gif
Put another MB into my micro atx that would have the trandcode/DTS audio support? It would have to be an integrated setup I assume. The setup I have now plays DTS-MA without any problems as do 1080p files as mentioned earlier.

I don't mind paying a little more for a NAS,but if it's going to be a waste of money because it won't perform,then I need to figure that out now.

Seems that it comes down to whether or not it can transcode and if software will support it?
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I would bite the bullet and invest in a dedicated "frontend' for your NAS to do any transcoding. In my case I have a dogs breakfast of 4 disk NAS units that have multiplied in my media room closet over the years. I don't touch them (with O/S upgrades) and they continue to work. When I got a newer, faster, desktop box, I installed Ubuntu and Plex on the older desktop and NFS mounted the NAS units to the dedicated Plex server. 

 

For grins, I stuffed 2 extra network cards (NICs) that were gathering dust,  into the old desktop. Ubuntu fired up and recognized them automatically. The NAS units hang off one network NIC, and the other NICs are on networks to the clients (net #1 is CAT 5 to Roku boxes, net #2 is airport/airplay to iPads). Probably overkill, but happiness all around, device wise.

 

I recently had a hardware RAID failure, but this only lost 1/5th of my media collection. The Plex server database gave me the list of media to re-rip for the replacement NAS. Occasionally I upgrade the Plex server, and this mostly goes well, but if something fails I can still access something to watch directly from one of the NAS boxes.

 

I try to stay away from single point of failure, and since I only ask a box to do one thing, the whole system has become more stable. 

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Seems like the only planned Synology with Intel Atom CE53xx series chip (=real-time 1080p) is the "DS214play", and this will be released on Oct 11th, 2013, in Europe (?). I am personally sad not to see any 4+ bay models with the CE53xx chip.

See http://blog.mobile-harddisk.nl/productaankondigingen/nieuwe-synology-producten-aangekondigd/ for more info. (translate from Dutch with Google Translate if necessary)

See http://www.rshaarlem.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Synology_DS214play_Data_Sheet_enu-1.pdf for full specifications on the DS214play.

Still unclear whether the DS214play means that the DTS licensing issue (=stopping DTS audio from transcoding, see http://forum.synology.com/enu/viewtopic.php?f=222&t=73233#p278703) is solved. I would guess not. See http://forum.synology.com/enu/viewtopic.php?f=222&t=73233&start=30#p282460 for iOS workaround that I haven't tried myself.

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I played a 10mbps and 40mbps 1080 mkv file that I had on a flash drive and streamed both to my ultrabook and my tablet from my htpc. The Ultrabook had no problems and the tablet only had very minor stuttering on the 40mbps file.
It looks like the best thing for me to do is get a NAS that will do what I want it to do and spend the cash I saved on bigger drives. Then use the HTPC for the decoding,if needed.

What do you think guys?

I am still going to look into Synology,but QNap seems to have some models that would work. I just like the interface of the Synology better. Comes down to specs and price in the end I guess.
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I played a 10mbps and 40mbps 1080 mkv file that I had on a flash drive and streamed both to my ultrabook and my tablet from my htpc. The Ultrabook had no problems and the tablet only had very minor stuttering on the 40mbps file.
It looks like the best thing for me to do is get a NAS that will do what I want it to do and spend the cash I saved on bigger drives. Then use the HTPC for the decoding,if needed.

What do you think guys?

If in-house streaming is all you need, I guess you'll be fine. Personally, I am looking forward to a NAS solution that I can use to stream movies to my iPhone/iPad devices also when I am moving around, using mobile data networks. I watch movies all the time during my subway commute, currenly using AirVideo (+AirVideo server installed/running on my home PC). Using mobile networks will obviously not work with 40mbps, but if I let my PC transcode it down to something more manageable, there is no problem. However, I would prefer not having to have my PC turned on 24/7 to handle this kind of transcoding...

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See http://www.rshaarlem.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Synology_DS214play_Data_Sheet_enu-1.pdf for full specifications on the DS214play.
Ahhh....very interesting. The rumors were slightly off and it looks like the DS214play will be the one to get for transcoding as it also has a slightly faster CPU than the DS214+ (1.6GHz vs 1.2GHz).
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Ahhh....very interesting. The rumors were slightly off and it looks like the DS214play will be the one to get for transcoding as it also has a slightly faster CPU than the DS214+ (1.6GHz vs 1.2GHz).

HMMM. I heard that the 214+ was the one to get. May have to get more info before I do anything.
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Seems like the only planned Synology with Intel Atom CE53xx series chip (=real-time 1080p) is the "DS214play", and this will be released on Oct 11th, 2013, in Europe (?). I am personally sad not to see any 4+ bay models with the CE53xx chip.

See http://blog.mobile-harddisk.nl/productaankondigingen/nieuwe-synology-producten-aangekondigd/ for more info. (translate from Dutch with Google Translate if necessary)

See http://www.rshaarlem.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Synology_DS214play_Data_Sheet_enu-1.pdf for full specifications on the DS214play.

Still unclear whether the DS214play means that the DTS licensing issue (=stopping DTS audio from transcoding, see http://forum.synology.com/enu/viewtopic.php?f=222&t=73233#p278703) is solved. I would guess not. See http://forum.synology.com/enu/viewtopic.php?f=222&t=73233&start=30#p282460 for iOS workaround that I haven't tried myself.

Ditto re the lack of a 4 bay unit. I even called Synology yday and asked if a novice like me could simply integrate my existing 412+ as an "expansion unit" while using the 214 to transcode and they basically said: well, no...not easily/efficiently.

Cuz I prolly would do that: simply use my 412 + and the 2 bays of the 214 for a 20 TB RAID 5, seeing the 214 is so reasonably priced, I'd pay 300 bucks for 2 more bays and the ability to transcode.

Any developments with Synology or elsewhere on this front, gang?

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I'm going to pick up the 214play when it hits Amazon. Its just easier to return it if I am unhappy with it. Even though it is available through other retailers at the moment. I am still concerned about DTS licensing issue,but I guess we will see what happens once I pick one up.

I have a HTPC that runs my XBMC without any problems. I may just get a NAS that fits my needs and use my HTPC to do the transcoding if needed.
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I'm certainly not an authority on the matter, but it just seems like they (NAS') are not up to the task anywhere under big bucks right now (read $2k).

Yup, and that's the exact reason the OP asked about the Synology DS214+.

The DS214+, along with the other new generation NAS units mentioned above, use a new low cost Intel dual-core CPU (Atom CE5315) with a dedicated video encoder integrated within the CPU itself (Intel calls this Quick Sync) and it can do all the transcoding in real time and with very little CPU utilization so an expensive high-powered CPU in a $2K computer is not required.

Well, Synology's comparison tool indicates that the DS214+ does not do hardware based video transcoding:

http://www.synology.com/en-global/pr...y/DS214+/DS214

Only the DS214play and the DS415play have that feature.
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Wow- hilariously so IMO- it doesn't appear Synology is going to offer anything over a TWO bay NAS that will be up to transcoding?

The 414 looks like it has less processing power than the 412+

Surely this won't be the case?

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Nope. The DS415play has the same processor as the DS214play.
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Looks like the DTS licensing for video transcoding with the "play" models may not happen. Also, to my knowledge, Plex still does not support it.

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