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Was reading through this forum and gathering some info online about Netgear R7000 vs Asus RT-AC68U and still cannot make my mind which one to choose. In regards to smallbuilder.net website R7000 is faster on all network speed tests :
http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/wirel...-asus-rt-ac68u

But I heard Asus has a better support and better mobile app than Netgear. And overall Asus is more for multimedia and netgear for office type set-ups ?

Anyone can give advice which one to choose if my main purpose would be stream movies wirelessly to my tv ?
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Was reading through this forum and gathering some info online about Netgear R7000 vs Asus RT-AC68U and still cannot make my mind which one to choose. In regards to smallbuilder.net website R7000 is faster on all network speed tests :
http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/wirel...-asus-rt-ac68u

But I heard Asus has a better support and better mobile app than Netgear. And overall Asus is more for multimedia and netgear for office type set-ups ?

Anyone can give advice which one to choose if my main purpose would be stream movies wirelessly to my tv ?
Both routers are going to do a good job for you. The R7000 has been around for a while now and is rock solid. Netgear is also planning enhancements for it in the near term to add features through firmware updates. They are planning on continuing development of the R7000 for the foreseeable future. It is not a static product.

The bigger question is what client are you using? Most are N based clients so the router difference here will mean which performs best in the N band. The SNB review is pretty extensive and does rank the R7000 as fastest. But again the differences will more be determined by your client device and environment.

I am sure you will be happy with either.

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Both routers are going to do a good job for you. The R7000 has been around for a while now and is rock solid. Netgear is also planning enhancements for it in the near term to add features through firmware updates. They are planning on continuing development of the R7000 for the foreseeable future. It is not a static product.

The bigger question is what client are you using? Most are N based clients so the router difference here will mean which performs best in the N band. The SNB review is pretty extensive and does rank the R7000 as fastest. But again the differences will more be determined by your client device and environment.

I am sure you will be happy with either.

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Thanks Bob. Well the biggest speed difference I've noticed was USB 2.0 - 3.0 tests. when you connect external HDD to router. When you enable in asus 'Reducing USB 3.0 interference setting' the speed is almost twice faster in R7000. As well R7000 processor is better (R7000 - Broadcom BCM4709A, Asus a68u - Broadcom BCM4708A).
In regards to a client band these days is not hard to upgrade your laptop to AC for ~20£ (30$) adding pci-xpress card to your laptop. I believe ASUS as well does pretty often firmware updates too and is not a static router as well ? Correct me if I'm wrong.
But what is most important for me is streaming abilities to stream HD movies from laptop to my Samsung smart TV. So I was wondering if there is any difference between those routers in this area ? As well I heard someone mention Netgear mobile app to control your router online does not work properly compated to Asus which works well ?
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Thanks Bob. Well the biggest speed difference I've noticed was USB 2.0 - 3.0 tests. when you connect external HDD to router. When you enable in asus 'Reducing USB 3.0 interference setting' the speed is almost twice faster in R7000. As well R7000 processor is better (R7000 - Broadcom BCM4709A, Asus a68u - Broadcom BCM4708A).
In regards to a client band these days is not hard to upgrade your laptop to AC for ~20£ (30$) adding pci-xpress card to your laptop. I believe ASUS as well does pretty often firmware updates too and is not a static router as well ? Correct me if I'm wrong.
But what is most important for me is streaming abilities to stream HD movies from laptop to my Samsung smart TV. So I was wondering if there is any difference between those routers in this area ? As well I heard someone mention Netgear mobile app to control your router online does not work properly compated to Asus which works well ?
I can't speak to Asus as I don't have the experience with them as I do Netgear. The bottleneck in client upgrades happens to be the usb port. You need a usb 3.0 adapter and port to get a fast client update. Your need was streaming movies and such. Are you using a pc to do that? If so if you use an AC client with 864mbs (which is a 2 radio client (not 2 bands but 2 radio AC) and in a usb 3.0 port you will have great success. The other element to look at is range though. Be sure you get a good signal otherwise a low signal will reduce speed.

Smart TV's are not the best clients and most likely 802.11 N not AC. So in that case it doesn't matter. N speeds can vary from 150mbs to 450mbs (based on number of radios) AC speeds 450mbs to 1.7gbs (up to 4 radios in AC)

Don't get hung up on the specs as with wifi it comes down to real world performance. Many variables here such as walls. interference, placement etc. The R7000 does really well in the real world. That is evidenced by the many many comments on it. I would have no hesitation buying one.

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I can't speak to Asus as I don't have the experience with them as I do Netgear. The bottleneck in client upgrades happens to be the usb port. You need a usb 3.0 adapter and port to get a fast client update. Your need was streaming movies and such. Are you using a pc to do that? If so if you use an AC client with 864mbs (which is a 2 radio client (not 2 bands but 2 radio AC) and in a usb 3.0 port you will have great success. The other element to look at is range though. Be sure you get a good signal otherwise a low signal will reduce speed.

Smart TV's are not the best clients and most likely 802.11 N not AC. So in that case it doesn't matter. N speeds can vary from 150mbs to 450mbs (based on number of radios) AC speeds 450mbs to 1.7gbs (up to 4 radios in AC)

Don't get hung up on the specs as with wifi it comes down to real world performance. Many variables here such as walls. interference, placement etc. The R7000 does really well in the real world. That is evidenced by the many many comments on it. I would have no hesitation buying one.

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I didn't quite get your comment on usb 3.0 bottle neck. Maybe you can explain a bit more about it? If I have WD USB 3.0 HDD and I plug it into r7000/asus router's USB 3.0 port how a bottle neck happens if both are USB 3.0 capable ?

I have never done DLNA streaming. But how I see it:
1) plug USB 3.0 HDD into router and download movies straight to HDD and your smartTV which is plugged into router by cable picks up HDD as DLNA device after you configure it in router settings.
2) you download movies to laptop and as you have laptop with ac adapter and TV connected with LAN cable the same router you can make media traffic stream into TV with a help of a router ? Am I missing something ? I'm not sure if there is any other way how to stream movies ? My TV is in the same room where laptop is and where all media stream will happen.
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I didn't quite get your comment on usb 3.0 bottle neck. Maybe you can explain a bit more about it? If I have WD USB 3.0 HDD and I plug it into r7000/asus router's USB 3.0 port how a bottle neck happens if both are USB 3.0 capable ?

I have never done DLNA streaming. But how I see it:
1) plug USB 3.0 HDD into router and download movies straight to HDD and your smartTV which is plugged into router by cable picks up HDD as DLNA device after you configure it in router settings.
2) you download movies to laptop and as you have laptop with ac adapter and TV connected with LAN cable the same router you can make media traffic stream into TV with a help of a router ? Am I missing something ? I'm not sure if there is any other way how to stream movies ? My TV is in the same room where laptop is and where all media stream will happen.
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What I mean by the USB 3.0 is this. If you try and add an AC adapter to a pc with USB 2.0 its maximum throughput is 480mbs. Buying a high speed AC client adapter that is say 1gbs wont ever achieve that because it exceeds what the usb port is capable of. I made this comment to you because in your first post you mentioned as I recall using a pc client and getting an adapter. Maybe I misunderstood. But it is something users need to be aware of as they look to upgrade existing pcs and laptops to the AC standard.

Now USB 3.0 is also really important for hard drives particularly when used for streaming. The drive throughput of usb 3.0 is significantly faster then usb 2.0.

Now on to dlna and your tv. You would attach the usb 3 drive to the router usb 3.0 port on the R7000 as example. You would copy your movies to a folder on that drive. Connecting your TV via a cat 5/6 cable would be best as TV's dont for the most part have AC wifi. So the cat cable with mitigate the network bottleneck.

On the router you turn on "Media Streaming" in the usb section of the R7000. That in essence turns on the DLNA server. DLNA is a base level media server technology. Your TV now connected to the network should see the media on the router/hard drive. Then you should be able to stream.

Your laptop can be used as a client to watch movies. You will need a client application to play them. Look at VLC or Kodi/XBMC as clients. There are many options using a pc as a clent.

I hope this helps. Net is if you get a R7000 and a usb 3.0 drive you can get started streaming.

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[QUOTE=bobsilver;31748313]What I mean by the USB 3.0 is this. If you try and add an AC adapter to a pc with USB 2.0 its maximum throughput is 480mbs. Buying a high speed AC client adapter that is say 1gbs wont ever achieve that because it exceeds what the usb port is capable of. I made this comment to you because in your first post you mentioned as I recall using a pc client and getting an adapter. Maybe I misunderstood. But it is something users need to be aware of as they look to upgrade existing pcs and laptops to the AC standard.

hi. well I was thinking about this mini pci-express bluetooth 4.0 adapter. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/802-11ac-B...item27f21bc06c do you know anything about it's internal speeds ?
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What I mean by the USB 3.0 is this. If you try and add an AC adapter to a pc with USB 2.0 its maximum throughput is 480mbs. Buying a high speed AC client adapter that is say 1gbs wont ever achieve that because it exceeds what the usb port is capable of. I made this comment to you because in your first post you mentioned as I recall using a pc client and getting an adapter. Maybe I misunderstood. But it is something users need to be aware of as they look to upgrade existing pcs and laptops to the AC standard.

hi. well I was thinking about this mini pci-express bluetooth 4.0 adapter. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/802-11ac-B...item27f21bc06c do you know anything about it's internal speeds ?
Bluetooth is much slower then wifi. Plus you cant use bluetooth to connect to your network via a router. Why are you looking at this? Bluetooth is fine for accessories, media and connection from a mobile device to accessory or tether.

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Excellent Results and an Idea to Improve Speed

I purchased and installed an R7000 last November and then gave one of my sons an R7000 for Christmas. Both routers provided significant improvements in performance, mine is over AT&T DSL and my son's is on COX. The routers were very easy to setup and configure. In each case Wi-Fi range coverage improved with the new routers.

These latest model routers from Netgear, (and ASUS) using the Broadcom chip with two ARM processers, have incredible power. I see no reason why they will be a limiting factor in performance on a home network, or a reasonably sized office for a long time.

To improve your Internet performance:

DNS access speeds are a limiting factor in Internet performance. To improve your DNS performance I suggest downloading this software (free, from a top programmer who wrote SpinRite), which will test the speed of the DNS servers you use and 50 more. You can then select the fastest performers to put in the R7000.

https://www.grc.com/dns/benchmark.htm

In my case I found that the AT&T DNS servers that I received as a default from AT&T were much slower than other DNS servers. They were the slowest in my tests. Their response time was 50% longer than the fastest DNS servers, which has a huge effect on performance. Using faster DNS servers revolutionized the speed of my Internet access. My son found that the Cox DNS servers he was using were 15th in speed after the tests. Changing to faster DNS servers made a significant improvement in his Internet access as well.

The R7000 is fast. It provides DNS service just as fast as the DNS servers it is using for the actual service. This makes using the fastest servers even more important.
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I purchased and installed an R7000 last November and then gave one of my sons an R7000 for Christmas. Both routers provided significant improvements in performance, mine is over AT&T DSL and my son's is on COX. The routers were very easy to setup and configure. In each case Wi-Fi range coverage improved with the new routers.

These latest model routers from Netgear, (and ASUS) using the Broadcom chip with two ARM processers, have incredible power. I see no reason why they will be a limiting factor in performance on a home network, or a reasonably sized office for a long time.

To improve your Internet performance:

DNS access speeds are a limiting factor in Internet performance. To improve your DNS performance I suggest downloading this software (free, from a top programmer who wrote SpinRite), which will test the speed of the DNS servers you use and 50 more. You can then select the fastest performers to put in the R7000.

https://www.grc.com/dns/benchmark.htm

In my case I found that the AT&T DNS servers that I received as a default from AT&T were much slower than other DNS servers. They were the slowest in my tests. Their response time was 50% longer than the fastest DNS servers, which has a huge effect on performance. Using faster DNS servers revolutionized the speed of my Internet access. My son found that the Cox DNS servers he was using were 15th in speed after the tests. Changing to faster DNS servers made a significant improvement in his Internet access as well.

The R7000 is fast. It provides DNS service just as fast as the DNS servers it is using for the actual service. This makes using the fastest servers even more important.
Hey nice tool. Thanks for this. I have been using the Google DNS for a few years. Find it works well. A lot of times friends have trouble with the speeds and I will suggest they change the DNS server. Most times problem solved.

Thanks again.

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Bluetooth is much slower then wifi. Plus you cant use bluetooth to connect to your network via a router. Why are you looking at this? Bluetooth is fine for accessories, media and connection from a mobile device to accessory or tether.

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I think what it says is that this mini pci-xpress wifi card has a bluetooth ability but it's not bluetooth it's an wifi ac adapter. Check this official intel link about Intel® Dual Band Wireless-AC 7260 Plus Bluetooth* : http://www.intel.co.uk/content/www/u...bluetooth.html
it says : Delivers dramatically faster Wi-Fi speeds (up to 867 Mbps1). Seamless HD movie streaming and WiDi technology (if your laptop supports it) well mine does as I have 4gen Intel processor.
But I was wondering if anyone had real life experience with this adapter and what are real speeds and bottle necks to be concerned about ?
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I think what it says is that this mini pci-xpress wifi card has a bluetooth ability but it's not bluetooth it's an wifi ac adapter. Check this official intel link about Intel® Dual Band Wireless-AC 7260 Plus Bluetooth* : http://www.intel.co.uk/content/www/u...bluetooth.html
it says : Delivers dramatically faster Wi-Fi speeds (up to 867 Mbps1). Seamless HD movie streaming and WiDi technology (if your laptop supports it) well mine does as I have 4gen Intel processor.
But I was wondering if anyone had real life experience with this adapter and what are real speeds and bottle necks to be concerned about ?
Well by looking at its specs it's a 2 radio AC adapters. In AC each radio in a band is capable of up to 433mbs. When you add 2 you get 866mbs (its actually a little higher then 433 that's why its rounded to 867).

If you have a good AC router like an R7000 you will get near the 867 speeds. I have a Macbook Air with a 2 radio AC client and sitting in the same room with my R7000 I see speeds from 750-860mbs. Range and speed are dependent. So when you place an internal card you may (or may not) see signal drop based on internal placement etc.

I would give it a try.

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