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Looking for box to replace my Frodo HTPC so I can playback 3D MPEG-4 MVC titles.

Media is stored on Synology DS212j. Gigabit LAN. Don't need wireless. HDMI output to Denon 3312ci AVR. Hamony 900 remote.

I'm not all that picky about the UI or apps - those are a bonus.

Key points are stability, picture quality, ease of use for watching Movie and TV BD rips.

All media is in BDMV structure but can convert to MKV is that improves stability.

Looking at MED600X3D - A-400 - or upcoming Himedia or Pivos release?

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Mede8er 600X3D. Supports 3D ISO as expected, but also MVC MKV's. PCH A-400 won't do latter.

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Mede8er 600X3D. Supports 3D ISO as expected, but also MVC MKV's. PCH A-400 won't do latter.

Do you own or used the Mede8er 600X3D? How is it?

THoughts on the Pivos and other sub $100 boxes based on Android?

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Yes, own two 600X3D's and love them. Reliable 3D and 2D playback of full BD rips. Good movie and TV jukeboxes. Good support.

Keeping eye out for upcoming Pivos XIOS (December from what I've read). I tried the current XIOS box for XBMC and found it sluggish, even under Linux. The new box should be better. Android boxes aren't up to snuff yet, but getting there. From what I've read, your best bets right now are Ouya or Genaitech/Mygica ATV520. But, if you want an Android XBMC box, I'd wait for the new Pivos.
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Ouya is that gaming cube... I'll have a read on it for my needs. Lot's of choices.

Would be you able to comment on PQ of 600X3D vs. others like Ouya and Mygica?

I'm not in a huge rush so might wait & see for the Pivos release.

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I will paste what I just wrote in another thread between the med and the a400

I am not a huge 3d fan so dont watch very many. At the start the MED boxes were leaps ahead of the A400 in terms of 3d iso playback now they are pretty much even. The one difference is the A400 is still jumping around SDK's to offer new things like dsd/dsf playback faster playback with better ff/rr so some firmwares introduce new bugs. Where the med box is not changing sdk's so its a more stable platform but with nothing new added. Between the med and the a400, flash apps work better on the a400 the youtube apps are the same app since both are made by youtube and I could not use the med version because of the speed, In terms of customization the A400 takes this category as well. with the introduction of the new home screens and being able to change backgrounds/colors/positions/icons with options to run NMJ/plex/yamj. So it comes down to playback is pretty even, with mede8er you get what you get on a stable box, with the A400 you keep getting added features but at the cost of some of the stability between firmwares.

Both boxes are solid solutions. Dont get an ouya its not prime time ready yet for an xbmc player.
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I will paste what I just wrote in another thread between the med and the a400

I am not a huge 3d fan so dont watch very many. At the start the MED boxes were leaps ahead of the A400 in terms of 3d iso playback now they are pretty much even. The one difference is the A400 is still jumping around SDK's to offer new things like dsd/dsf playback faster playback with better ff/rr so some firmwares introduce new bugs. Where the med box is not changing sdk's so its a more stable platform but with nothing new added. Between the med and the a400, flash apps work better on the a400 the youtube apps are the same app since both are made by youtube and I could not use the med version because of the speed, In terms of customization the A400 takes this category as well. with the introduction of the new home screens and being able to change backgrounds/colors/positions/icons with options to run NMJ/plex/yamj. So it comes down to playback is pretty even, with mede8er you get what you get on a stable box, with the A400 you keep getting added features but at the cost of some of the stability between firmwares.

Both boxes are solid solutions. Dont get an ouya its not prime time ready yet for an xbmc player.

Thanks. Seeing prices of $190 for MED600X3D and $250 for A-400 -> those seem about right?

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+1. I tried A-400 early on and was disappointed with all the issues, but understand it's pretty solid now. May try it out again, but to be honest, as 600X3D is cheaper and performs well, I've been on the fence about retrying the A-400. No compelling reason over 600X3D for me I guess.

Re: Android and XBMC, I think we'll see decent boxes soon. But, these won't offer HD audio, etc. if local media playback is most important to you. But, as cheap, decent XBMC boxes, the next generation boxes may do the job.

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Thanks. Seeing prices of $190 for MED600X3D and $250 for A-400 -> those seem about right?
Yes. But, PCH is supposed to have a "big sale" on November 8th. See here.

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Yes the prices are correct.

Any sigma based player is usually higher priced then realtek based players.

I own an a400 a med600 and the ouya

Med600

Pros
  1. great playback stability
  2. decent enough jukebox
  3. gets the job done

Cons
  1. No forced sub track playback on mkv
  2. 3d iso over samba is hit and miss have to use NFS
  3. no jukebox options or customization really
  4. No ftp access

A400

Pros
  1. Great jukebox and customization's with lots of options/views
  2. 3d iso will work over both samba and nfs
  3. A lot more 3rd party apps, like youtube,tunein,soundcloud,youporn,
  4. Better SD output quality, To some eyes sigma has better PQ

Cons
  1. Because of the changing nature bugs can come up in firmwares
  2. network speed while decent for 3d iso playback should be faster when transferring things to internal storage
  3. Non NMJ/PLEX/yamj views can be a little sluggish.
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Thanks. Seeing prices of $190 for MED600X3D and $250 for A-400 -> those seem about right?
Yes. But, PCH is supposed to have a "big sale" on November 8th. See here.

Saw that on Cloud Media's site. Local media playback is my only concern and it must be able to pass all current audio to my Denon AVR.

So, assuming the same price - A-400 or MED6003D?

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your key points hit pretty much both players. Both of them have internal jukeboxes to scrap movie details and display fancy fanart and mark things watched/unwatched. because you have a synology its no big deal to use NFS for the med.

mede8er jukebox

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5_Ocx343Zw

popcorn jukebox
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrmdhqcTG2k

both systems have an ipad remote cotnrole jukebox app. only the PCH has an android controller app at this time.
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Just to be clear, neither the A400 or Med600 will do Blu-ray menus when in BDMV or ISO format? For TV shows and 3D titles, its best to extract to MKV?

On another note, when did MakeMKV cost $70?

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Correct, no BD menus, unless they're Profile 1.0 (non-Java), which you hardly find anymore. For 3D BD's, I rip as full BD's straight to ISO. For rest, all MKV.

You can still get MakeMKV for free. See here.
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For myself I rip everything to MKV only thing I keep as ISO is 3d files
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Why keep the 3D titles as ISO?
If I already have it in BDMV & Certificate folders, can I make it into BD ISO again?
Has anyone tried MultiAVCHD?

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Why keep the 3D titles as ISO?
If I already have it in BDMV & Certificate folders, can I make it into BD ISO again?
Has anyone tried MultiAVCHD?

BDMV/ISO are pretty much the same thing. I just use anydvd to ISO. No real reason other then personal preference
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Alright, on the fence whether to move or not. Both MED600X3D and A-400 are about a year old and approx the same price. So the questions are:

realtek med600 vs. sigma a-400 -> consensus is the sigma

continual platform dev vs. stable static -> personal choice

2-3 week wait for a-400 vs. 1 week for med600 -> not a factor

product support -> where do the med600 and a-400 get sent for service from Canada?

given age of both devices, should I wait 1-2 months to see what gets released -> tough call as new devices are usually buggy for a while


Currently leaning heavily toward the a-400 with the sale even though I don't need the wifi dongle.

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realtek med600 vs. sigma a-400 -> consensus is the sigma
Not so fast wink.gif. Realtek's 1186 has been around longer and I feel is more stable than Sigma's 8911 chip, or they're both at least equal. I also find 1186 more forgiving on less-than-ideally authored MKV's and other video files. In other words, 1186's playback is more versatile. But, A-400 fans may disagree with me wink.gif.

I plan to try out (again) the A-400 (and I've owned A-300, A-210 and A-110), so I'm not biased either way. But, at this point, if you don't need Plex and Mede8er's TV/movie jukebox options (Y2M or its built-in scaper) look good to you, I don't see a reason to pay more for the A-400 vs. getting a 600X3D.

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realtek med600 vs. sigma a-400 -> consensus is the sigma
Not so fast wink.gif. Realtek's 1186 has been around longer and I feel is more stable than Sigma's 8911 chip, or they're both at least equal. I also find 1186 more forgiving on less-than-ideally authored MKV's and other video files. In other words, 1186's playback is more versatile. But, A-400 fans may disagree with me wink.gif.

I plan to try out (again) the A-400 (and I've owned A-300, A-210 and A-110), so I'm not biased either way. But, at this point, if you don't need Plex and Mede8er's TV/movie jukebox options (Y2M or its built-in scaper) look good to you, I don't see a reason to pay more for the A-400 vs. getting a 600X3D.

Thanks for the input. What would I need Plex for? I've got a PS3 that I would keep for Netflix or Amazon Prime Instant Video.

Not overly concerned about GUI or extra features. Simply want ease of use, stable playback in 2D and 3D MVC, and everyone be able to do it with one remote from the couch (Harmony 900).

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Not so fast wink.gif. Realtek's 1186 has been around longer and I feel is more stable than Sigma's 8911 chip, or they're both at least equal. I also find 1186 more forgiving on less-than-ideally authored MKV's and other video files. In other words, 1186's playback is more versatile. But, A-400 fans may disagree with me wink.gif.

I plan to try out (again) the A-400 (and I've owned A-300, A-210 and A-110), so I'm not biased either way. But, at this point, if you don't need Plex and Mede8er's TV/movie jukebox options (Y2M or its built-in scaper) look good to you, I don't see a reason to pay more for the A-400 vs. getting a 600X3D.

In terms of poor authored MKV's i think most of the depends on the source. If someone is self ripping all MKV files will be reliable. I have not yet come across something that the A400 would not play that the mede8er could. But then again all my media is from reliable source.

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Thanks for the input. What would I need Plex for? I've got a PS3 that I would keep for Netflix or Amazon Prime Instant Video.

Not overly concerned about GUI or extra features. Simply want ease of use, stable playback in 2D and 3D MVC, and everyone be able to do it with one remote from the couch (Harmony 900).

Plex is for people that have multiple systems. Be it multiple streaming devices or tablets/ps3's/tv's/phones. When you run a plex server it makes a front end for pretty much almost any device out there and from there it will transcode media on the fly for devices like a tablet that might not support all the codecs. Its a central media management system. If you are only playing to one device most likely not worth your while.

Any device you pick will do what you want and what you need. You are just looking if you want any of the added fluff the A400 brings vs what the mede8er brings. When it comes down to basic playback its a win win either way. So you will not be picking a bad choice. I will say the android/ipad app on the PCH is very nice to use I pick it over a remote control any day. I assume the ipad app on mede8er is same way I dont own an ipad so have never gotten the chance to use.

The way to decide is first look at price if price is no matter, think do you really need any of the extra stuff the a400 has over the med. Do you play a lot of SD material, will you ever use the 3rd party apps like soundcloud,tunein,radio,youporn. Is any of the added formats like DSF important to you.
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Thanks for the feedback. Ordering MED600X3D.

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