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post #1 of 30 Old 01-03-2014, 11:59 AM - Thread Starter
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I've been researching this and have hit a brick wall of confusion.


Right now I use Universal Media Server (much like PS3 Media Server) to stream to my PS3. I get DTS and AC3 audio just fine as the UMS encapsulates the DTS streams into LPCM 2.0 to trick the PS3, but once it hits my Denon 591 it gets decoded properly as DTS. I would like to get it to decode the DTS-HD stream as well though.


My question is:

If I get something like the WD TV Live (Which with the most current update seems to passthrough DTS HD and TrueHD) would that solve my problem since it has passthrough of the DTS HD unlike the PS3? Would Universal Media Server know that it didn't need to wrap it up in LPCM at that point or would it matter?


Thank you so much for any insight, as I'm completely confused at this point.
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I don't know anything about UMS. I use Mezzmo as the DLNA server and tell it not to transcode or modify anything. I use the DLNA client on the Live-SMP to stream all my BD.m2ts rips which have DTS-HD or TrueHD audio. The Live-SMP bitstreams the HD audio into my Onkyo receiver and plays perfectly.

The Live-SMP should communicate with the DLNA server and tell it that it doesn't need to transcode because the Live-SMP handles the format natively. But just in case, look into the settings of UMS and find if you can turn off transcoding. The Live-SMP is a much better streaming device than a PS3 and only costs under $100.
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Thank you for the quick reply. I will go out and grab one tonight and give it a go. I know I can turn off transcoding all together, but I have other renderers to stream to do I'm hoping it will automatically figure it out.

Would the WD Live stream from a simple file share as well, or would I need something DLNA compliant?
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You can buy the Live-SMP from Amazon for $86.50. If you want to pick one up locally, print the Amazon page and go to BestBuy. They will price match Amazon.com prices.

With Mezzmo, I can control the transcoding at the device level. So for example, I have transcoding turned off for my WD Live's and have it on for my really stupid "Smart-TV". See if UMS offers that capability. BTW, Mezzmo is well worth the $35 they charge for it. I don't hesitate at all to recommend it.

The WD Live does not need DLNA. It is perfectly capable of streaming from network shares as long as you have the bandwidth on your network connection. It handles Windows SMB shares and Linux NFS shares. If you use network shares you can play more formats that are not supported by DLNA such as DVD.iso. You also can use the UI to scrape for title meta data and build a movie wall. I only use DLNA because my network beandwidth is at the ragged edge for streaming full bitrate BD.m2ts. DLNA has very low protocol overhead compared to SMB so I can play all my BD.m2ts without stuttering using DLNA. If my bandwidth were better, I would use SMB for BD rips and not DLNA with the Live-SMP. On my other NAS units I have >600 DVD.iso. There is no problem streaming lower bitrate DVD's over SMB on my network so I use SMB shares with the Live-SMP to stream DVD's.
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So I'm thinking I can at last resort keep UMS to stream to my other devices and use smb to stream to the WD?

This device is sounding too cool already. I'm hoping UMS doesn't do anything weird as I do enjoy it so far.
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There is a WDTV conf file in UMS already. You may have to modify it slightly to get it to stream depending on what file type you have.
I have an old WDTV+ that will pass thru the dts-ma bitstream. I've got my files in mp4 containers, and the UMS automatically remuxes into a container the WDTV will take. Works great!
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Yes, but actually try SMB as your first resort.

With the latest firmware update that added DTS-HD passthrough, nothing touches the WD Live-SMP in the under $200 price range. The main thread is here.
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So do smb first and then DLNA, because I can do isos via smb, but not UMS using DLNA correct? Then I wouldn't have to worry about transcoding and what not?
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Okay,

So i have it setup and updated and I'm streaming via the share just fine! OMG..this thing plays everything with DTS MA..True HD...

I'm in love and also, you guys ARE AWESOME! smile.gif

I think I'll keep the UMS up for streaming to my kids Xbox unless I decide to get another one of these instead, because this is fantastic! Are there any downsides to setting it up to use the media server instead of the network share?
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I think I'll keep the UMS up for streaming to my kids Xbox unless I decide to get another one of these instead, because this is fantastic! Are there any downsides to setting it up to use the media server instead of the network share?

Glad you like it and it is working out for you. I personally find it a great convenience to use multiple streamers of the same model. That way all the boxes work the same and you only have to determine the best file format for your rips one time. The Live-SMP has been around for two years. WD has continued to support it and has released an amazing 16 firmware updates, so far. The last one from 12/13 was the jackpot in that it added DTS-HD support and completed the unit.

As far as the Live-SMP is concerned there is no either-or when it comes to DLNA vs. network shares -- they are both valid sources that you can pick. I have two NAS units and a media-PC/server. When we watch DVD.iso we connect to the NAS units via SMB Network Shares. When we watch BD.m2ts we connect to the media-PC as a Media Server using DLNA. I have one in the exercise area that is not networked so for that one I load the "exercise videos" onto a portable USB-3 drive and just plug it in and connect to Local Storage.

I guess the only down-side is that when using DLNA and a Media Server connection, you cannot use the Live-SMP UI to build a video wall -- you need to use either Network Shares or Local Storage. That doesn't matter to me since I prefer the simplicity of a clean file listing. On the other hand, the upside of DLNA is that the DLNA server aggregates all the titles across multiple discrete HDD's into a single listing. My media-PC has 6 discrete HDD's containing BD.m2ts files. With DLNA they appear as a single listing and I don't have to care what disk they are on. Of course, one can always use drive aggregation software on a media server to group all the HDD's into a single logical volume and accomplish the same thing. So no real advantage either way, just multiple ways of doing what you want.

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So far I've setup one WD TV Live in my living room area and am enjoying it thoroughly. I can't believe it took me so long to find this device. I am still running the Universal Media Server so that I can transcode to my son's Xbox and my daughter's Sony streaming device. I will attemp to phase them out as I come across good deals on the WD TV.

I may even be able to get away with a few WD TV Plays as I don't need Mpeg support in a lot of the rooms, nor surround sound. Does the Play still connect to SMB shares like the :Live?
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No, it's a stripped down version of the Live: no mpeg2, no DTS, no SMB.

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I will attemp to phase them out as I come across good deals on the WD TV.
As noted by techflaws, don't consider the WD TV Play. A number of people on the WDTV Live thread have recently reported buying "refurbished" Live-SMP's for reduced prices -- see here. These are probably just customer returns. There is not much that can go wrong with these as there are no moving parts in the box and the power supply is external and easily replaceable should it fail.

You should start to monitor that thread.

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The WD Live does not need DLNA. It is perfectly capable of streaming from network shares as long as you have the bandwidth on your network connection. It handles Windows SMB shares and Linux NFS shares. If you use network shares you can play more formats that are not supported by DLNA such as DVD.iso. You also can use the UI to scrape for title meta data and build a movie wall. I only use DLNA because my network beandwidth is at the ragged edge for streaming full bitrate BD.m2ts.

I happen to already have a WDTV-Live-SMP. I have some .mkv rips that include HD-MA, that I play through MediaBrowser on my HTPC. And I've been looking for a solution to stream them to another room in the house. It sounds like the WDTV-Live-SMP is my answer?

Is there a MediaBrowser app on the Live? Or what are you using on the WDTV to access/play the files?
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There is a media browser. You just share out your directory and go fetch it with the Live SMP. It works beautifully.
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@PsuKinger

There is a media browser. You just share out your directory and go fetch it with the Live SMP. It works beautifully.

This is awesome.

Do I just need to set the folder on the PC to *share*, or do I need to tell the WDTV where to look for it somewhere in some settings menu...?
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You will have to add the directory via the WD Live under the appropriate media type section.
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I don't know if this is the appropriate place for this question but I am trying to bitstream DTS-HD-MA on my network and nothing I have will seem to do it. I have a Synology NAS running Plex and any DTS-HD-MA movie is streamed as core DTS. I tried hooking up my laptop to my receiver via HDMI and playing the video through VLC and it too is playing core DTS.

Ideally I'd like to get this streaming off my NAS correctly through the network. Is this possible?


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Hi,

I would like to try to resurrect this old thread and ask what are the best proven options to stream .mkv files with DTS-HD and TrueHD?
I got Sony S6500 BD player recently but it is not capable to keep up with data volume in 11-15Gb .mkv files generated from BD rips and causes hiccups making screen freeze.

Ideally i want a combined BD player/streamer unit to save space in the audio rack but if there is no such device in the known universe it would help to know what can actually get a job done?
Does such BD player even exist on the current 2016 market to play disks and stream from DLNA?

I use my PC currently with MPC-HC player that works fine streaming DTS-HD and TrueHD but it is not convenient and i would prefer a dedicated device i can control with a universal remote to navigate in DLNA server folders.

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PS. I saw a thread discussing Dune 4K unit but it is $400 and as it seems and can only be obtained from Ebay from UK sellers. At $400 price point it is cheaper to have a dedicated PC to do all the same.

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what are the best proven options to stream .mkv files with DTS-HD and TrueHD? . . .
Ideally i want a combined BD player/streamer unit to save space in the audio rack but if there is no such device in the known universe it would help to know what can actually get a job done?
A dedicated media streamer such as Dune, Popcorn Hour, Mede8er, KDLinks etc. are usually your best options for streaming full bitrate BD rips with HD audio pass-through. They are made for doing this and they are generally small devices.

BD players are made for playing BD's and not media streaming. Media streaming is usually added as a marketing afterthought because "everyone else has it". I've seen BD players that are DLNA clients that will pass through DTS-HD but not True-HD and visa versa. A notable exception is an Oppo BD player. They are excellent at streaming hi-res local content as well as being premier BD players -- but you'll be paying $500 for that capability.

In my case I use Mezzmo DLNA server and stream full bitrate BD content with HD audio pass-through using a WDTV Live-SMP media player. They, unfortunately have been discontinued. You can get a re-conditioned one for under $100 and it may be worth it to you. I like Mezzmo for a number of reasons, one of which is I can explicitly disable any transcoding to force the server to send the native content file to the streamer.

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A dedicated media streamer such as Dune, Popcorn Hour, Mede8er, KDLinks etc. are usually your best options for streaming full bitrate BD rips with HD audio pass-through. They are made for doing this and they are generally small devices.

BD players are made for playing BD's and not media streaming. Media streaming is usually added as a marketing afterthought because "everyone else has it". I've seen BD players that are DLNA clients that will pass through DTS-HD but not True-HD and visa versa. A notable exception is an Oppo BD player. They are excellent at streaming hi-res local content as well as being premier BD players -- but you'll be paying $500 for that capability.

In my case I use Mezzmo DLNA server and stream full bitrate BD content with HD audio pass-through using a WDTV Live-SMP media player. They, unfortunately have been discontinued. You can get a re-conditioned one for under $100 and it may be worth it to you. I like Mezzmo for a number of reasons, one of which is I can explicitly disable any transcoding to force the server to send the native content file to the streamer.
is it this device that you have?
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listi...&condition=all

So, this unit can indeed play high bitrate .mkv files from DLNA and supply DTS-HD and TrueHD audio fine with no hiccups into receiver?
I just got Sony S6500 BD player and it understands the format and sends it out but gets serious hiccups if i feed BD rip media into it.
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is it this device that you have?
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listi...&condition=all

So, this unit can indeed play high bitrate .mkv files from DLNA and supply DTS-HD and TrueHD audio fine with no hiccups into receiver?
That is the WDBYMN0000NBK-HESN model which was their most recent and last model to be released.

I have the WDBHG70000NBK-HESN which was the previous model -- they are hard to find. In all respects hardware-wise, the two units were identical. The major difference was that the WDBYMN0000NBK-HESN lost Netflix due to some contract dispute. I would expect the WDBYMN0000NBK-HESN to behave the same. I have been using them for years to play full bitrate BD rips with HD audio pass-through to an Onkyo AVR. They have been flawless in their operation for me using a DLNA server (Mezzmo). Some people have had problems with them start to stutter and behave badly after years of flawless operation. People have talked about stepping the firmware back a version with various degrees of success. There are two posts in the player threads that document replacing the wall-wart power supply cured all their problems.

A refurb for under $100 from a reputable seller is worth a shot. Comparable media streamers are all in the $200+ range new.

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is it this device that you have?
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listi...&condition=all

So, this unit can indeed play high bitrate .mkv files from DLNA and supply DTS-HD and TrueHD audio fine with no hiccups into receiver?
I just got Sony S6500 BD player and it understands the format and sends it out but gets serious hiccups if i feed BD rip media into it.
Coming from streaming via a Blu-ray player you might "be happy" Although I tried their various model over the years and I simply couldn't use one for more than a few days. The interface is so constrictive, 80's looking, featureless and finally so slow I couldn't take it. Typically I'm not a performance guy at all but these drove me nuts. Now playback is fine (don't go near the Play version) so I'm sure some are happy...

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Better of with this

Kodi (XBMC) via Chromebox

Than a WDTV Live, the sluggish UI can be irritating.

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Kodi (XBMC) via Chromebox

Than a WDTV Live, the sluggish UI can be irritating.

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Agreed and I also agree with Kelson.

I stream my files via Mezzmo to my Chromebox running Kodi with the transcoder turned off. I used a WDTV Live a few years ago but I hated that it had such poor support for metadata with DLNA streams and once the video library got above 400-500 titles the UI on the WDTV Live just turned into a sluggish mess for me.

I replaced my WDTV Lives with a Chromebox running OpenELEC and a RaspPi Model B, also running OpenELEC. The RaspPi was no worse than the WDTV Live and I have since replaced it with a RaspPi2 that runs OpenELEC just as smoothly as the Chromebox does. Additionally, Kodi supports Plot, Genre, Year, Poster Art, and a few other bits of metadata that the WDTV Live doesn't support at all with DLNA.

Naturally, some people will ask "Why use a DLNA server when Kodi can just read the network shares and populate its own library?" For most people that would be the way to go but Mezzmo gives you the ability to control metadata, create custom libraries, control playlist access to different devices based on content, rating, etc. Most of all, the library is identical regardless of which tablet, phone, HTPC, BD Player, or web browser I use to access the media. Mezzmo v5 will be released in the next 10 days and will allow URL streaming and remote access to shared content. If you are a DLNA streamer, it might be worth a look. If I was just starting out and building my own media server I would just put Mezzmo on my server, build the library and then just put a RaspPi 2 or 3 running OpenElec at each location. The only sticking point is DTS HD-MA/HRA. The RPi won't decode that but can convert everything else to 8 or fewer channel PCM.

Anyone using a Raspberry Pi to power their theater

If I needed the DTS HD-MA/HRA support then a Chromebox is probably the answer.
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The only sticking point is DTS HD-MA/HRA. The RPi won't decode that but can convert everything else to 8 or fewer channel PCM.
Actually, last I heard pi2/pi3 won't bitstream HD audio but it will decode it (48/96kHz) and output all channels via PCM. That means you're only out for luck with Atmos and DTS:X.

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Additionally, Kodi supports Plot, Genre, Year, Poster Art, and a few other bits of metadata that the WDTV Live doesn't support at all with DLNA.
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That is the WDBYMN0000NBK-HESN model which was their most recent and last model to be released.

I have the WDBHG70000NBK-HESN which was the previous model -- they are hard to find. In all respects hardware-wise, the two units were identical. The major difference was that the WDBYMN0000NBK-HESN lost Netflix due to some contract dispute. I would expect the WDBYMN0000NBK-HESN to behave the same. I have been using them for years to play full bitrate BD rips with HD audio pass-through to an Onkyo AVR. They have been flawless in their operation for me using a DLNA server (Mezzmo). Some people have had problems with them start to stutter and behave badly after years of flawless operation. People have talked about stepping the firmware back a version with various degrees of success. There are two posts in the player threads that document replacing the wall-wart power supply cured all their problems.

A refurb for under $100 from a reputable seller is worth a shot. Comparable media streamers are all in the $200+ range new.
Hi,

I just received a unit for $56 from Amazon and it indeed works fine.
I see it came with 1.02.17 firmware and it asks to update to 1.3 something newest one. Should i do that or should i keep it on 1.2.17?

Also, I understand that slingbox app it has is not something that works with Sling TV? it refuses to accept my username for sling tv and it is not clear if it a same thing or not.
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Hi,

I just received a unit for $56 from Amazon and it indeed works fine.
I see it came with 1.02.17 firmware and it asks to update to 1.3 something newest one. Should i do that or should i keep it on 1.2.17?

Also, I understand that slingbox app it has is not something that works with Sling TV? it refuses to accept my username for sling tv and it is not clear if it a same thing or not.
Slingbox is not the same as Sling TV.
Slingbox is for streaming the content over the Internet to one of your mobile devices.
The WDTV does not support Sling TV.

People have not reported any adverse effects with the latest firmware.
I'm going to upgrade my units when I remember to do so.

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I just found a UMS(UniversalMediaServer) renderer that will support all HD audio formats. I have not tried the '3D' formats yet. Sony's Bluray player "BDP-S3700" supports streaming of all the HD format. I think it was 80 bucks at Best Buy. It also support Hulu/Netflix/Prime/etc.
Hope this helps.

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