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post #31 of 559 Old 03-11-2014, 05:22 PM
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No issues now. I know a while back Apple employed DRM so even if you ripped a cd it was locked to your account. That is no longer the case. For example, when you buy a CD from Amazon they have a Autorip service that will actually rip the files for you and save to the cloud. There is no drm so you can use as you please.

See that's the way it should be. And if the studios release a pay model for full rip or a full digital version then I'd pay for that.
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Still working: http://en.dvdfab.jp/

And here's a fresh update for the software: http://en.dvdfab.jp/download.htm

To my surprise, the auto-downloader when I start DVDfab 9 downloaded the 9132 release without having to go to another int'l site to download manually :-)

Although this is running real slow to start up now.... I ended up getting a message that there was an error connecting and it asked if I wanted to reconnect (adjusted proxy to direct connection to internet) or enable HD Decrypter.... what is HD Decrypter? It seemed to open up after I changed from a proxy to direct connection.

Bit by the upgrade bug, limited by the WAF
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Now they have a new China domain. http://www.dvdfab.cn
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The studios don't want you making a backup copy. The studios want you to accept their 20 page licensing agreement and use their product only when and how they tell you.

Show me where I agree to that when I buy my Blu-ray?
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Show me where I agree to that when I buy my Blu-ray?
The act of opening the package shows your agreement to the licensing terms. Once you break the seal, you are committed.

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Now they have a new China domain. http://www.dvdfab.cn

What an absolute joke.
I have several bookmarks set up for various areas on the DVD Fab web site. I simply went in and edited each link by changing ".com" to ".cn" and all the links function exactly as before. As I noted above, it didn't raise a drop of sweat from them.

Hollywood has simply made ".cn" the new ".com".

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The act of opening the package shows your agreement to the licensing terms. Once you break the seal, you are committed.

a) That's not true. Obviously you cannot be expected to agree to terms you haven't seen inside a sealed package by opening it. There is nothing saying that on the outside of DVD or Blu-Ray packages, because it would be senseless. Not to mention that courts have ruled many times that placing terms and conditions where consumers are not likely to see or read them renders them unenforceable.

b) It's beside the point, because this is a matter of federal law, nothing to do with a commercial agreement. That's what it says on the outside of DVD and Blu-Ray packages, and it's all they have to say.

c) There are probably better places than AVS Forum to find legal advice. We're all technical experts here, not lawyers, right? Isn't that in the terms you didn't bother to read when you signed up to AVS Forum - no lawyers allowed? smile.gif
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Show me where I agree to that when I buy my Blu-ray?

You've never heard of a EULA? Disney's Snow White (or was it Sleeping Beauty?) had something like a 57 page EULA. There are all kinds of stuff in these EULAs. I think Apple has something about not using their products to manufacture nuclear weapons. There was one company that had a clause stating the end user agreed to an inspection by the company at any time.

I'm not arguing they are enforceable or morally or legally right. I'm just saying that blu-ray, DVD, and all software comes with a EULA. You agree to the EULA after you buy the product, unwrap it, and enter it into your player where you are basically screwed because if you reject the EULA you cannot return the product for a refund.

Whether it is legal or not, the studios don't want you making a backup copy.
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Whether it is legal or not, the studios don't want you making a backup copy.

You can backup what ever you want.....you just can't bypass the encryption to do so wink.gif

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You can backup what ever you want.....you just can't bypass the encryption to do so wink.gif

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Yes, agreed. It is legal. But that doesn't mean the studios like it. Remember, the studios tried to say it wasn't legal. A court battle was fought over it.
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You can backup what ever you want.....you just can't bypass the encryption to do so wink.gif

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Maybe you are talking about US laws?
My country laws don't prohibit that! And U.S. federal law is absolutely nothing for us.
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My country laws don't prohibit that!
What country would that be?

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What country would that be?

Uh, every country except the United States?
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Uh, every country except the United States?
Many European copyright laws are more stringent than the US.
It's always nice if people would take the time to put some location information in their profile. If often adds some clarity to their posts.
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I wish the movie companies did offer a online version of the movie as a backup.
Prove that you own the movie and you can watch that movie anywhere.
No disk or tape needed.
That is the future, the sooner the movie companies come to that realization the better off everybody will be.

I lost many movies both on tape and on DVD due to either age, wear, or kids.
The only way I can get them back is to buy them again.
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I wish the movie companies did offer a online version of the movie as a backup.
Prove that you own the movie and you can watch that movie anywhere.
No disk or tape needed.
That is the future, the sooner the movie companies come to that realization the better off everybody will be.

I lost many movies both on tape and on DVD due to either age, wear, or kids.
The only way I can get them back is to buy them again.

This does exist...(sort of)....UV/VUDU Disc to Digital
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Yes sort of. You are only guaranteed to have access to the digital version for a few years.

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Many European copyright laws are more stringent than the US..

A recent ruling from the Court of Justice of the European Union that helps muddy the waters in this area:
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140123/08532725967/europes-highest-court-says-drm-circumvention-may-be-lawful-certain-circumstances.shtml
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1. So are users in America that go to the Chinese web site going to be tracked and receive some kind of reprimand?
2. Those saying folks for the most part only use software like this to back up or archive their own media, really? You know this how?
3. Something doesn't pass the smell test. So we all like lemmings just follow along with domain changes, etc., and blame that evil movie industry? No questions asked?
4. I love the comment about DVDFab being something these Chinese programmers do in their free time in between hacking into other networks. That is hilarious and could be entirely true.
5. My licenses have not run out so I'll keep using DVDFab and watching for updates until they do. What has happened to AnyDVD? Same thing? Are they going to have a Chinese web address?

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What country would that be?
For example, Russia and Ukraine. smile.gif
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Just a couple of random thoughts -

Studios seem more interested in streaming as they can control it. Keeping Blu Rays expensive and also stifling backup/archiving seems logical to push us into streaming.

Then again, I recall reading somewhere that if you have to convert a media file to play it properly, you are entitled. I am unsure if this is correct. It seems interesting that lesser media formats are okay to archive/backup etc yet Blu Ray is not. Perhaps when 4K streaming and media comes out, they will relax on screwing with people who simply want to make sure their purchase lasts beyond the disc itself.

I can appreciate studios being concerned about piracy. I cannot find any sympathy for all the games they play with the customer base -

double and triple dipping (first release, extended release, 3D release etc)
Redbox and Netflix rentals from Lionsgate etc. that do not provide the HD audio track (you get DVD quality audio like DTS as opposed to DTS-Master)
Forcing commercials on discs for other movies
more....

Lets be serious - studios will go as far as they can for the bottom dollar and it is whether the customer base reacts in a way to force change will we see change.

Just more peanuts tossed into the gallery here.
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I thought it was legal to make 1 backup copy for archival purposes, what happened to that?
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I think it's completely legal
as long as you don't defeat the copy protection, which is completely illegal.....
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Yup, but don't forget according to the industry it is illegal to rip your own copy, even if you purchased and physically possess... My guess the industry sees this as the only approach since the "hackers" are apparently a lot smarter than the folks in the industry responsible for the security/encryption of the discs ...

How long before AnyDVD is targeted???

Corporations are mindless predatory machines...

legality is governed by laws in jurisdictions - not in corporate offices by greedy monkeys sitting around a table...

Unfortunately, for quite a while, corporation, governments & courts seem to all line up together, with no proper lawful separation between them

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I think it's completely legal
as long as you don't defeat the copy protection, which is completely illegal.....

And of course it's impossible to make a working copy unless the copy protection is defeated.

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For some reason, this thread is reminding me of the Circuit City and some entertainment law firm-brainchild format DIVX. Remember that? It was about some studios wanting to control how you consumed DVD quality content.

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For some reason, this thread is reminding me of the Circuit City and some entertainment law firm-brainchild format DIVX. Remember that? It was about some studios wanting to control how you consumed DVD quality content.
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For some reason, this thread is reminding me of the Circuit City and some entertainment law firm-brainchild format DIVX. Remember that? It was about some studios wanting to control how you consumed DVD quality content.

I remember spending all my paper route money that summer on a Montgomery Ward floor model RCA DVD player and being scared to death that DIVX was going to be the end of my investment smile.gif

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